demonic is through violence, they reject the oslo accords. they are committed to armed resistance against scientism. i mean look at the brutality of october 7th, where they slaughtered more than a 1000. people took hundreds of hostages. the youngest being 9 months old. evidence of sexual violence rate mutilation. tomas really deserve another chance. as i told you, one should not continue focusing on october 7. the beginning said no way that no we we accept no way. we accept any getting any stability and you know, some people, this is something that we should put behind ourselves. and the set of commonsense is that we need to have a situation in which but as seen as out of united, but again on our what is it going to jump on the ground. we're not going to go to there to get them. we want them to come to our, to get on our ground is better clear to states on the board of that as of 6 or 7.

the through before means we have been engaged in negotiations for set to 3 years. unfortunately, negotiations did not materialize in an input conflict. we are now saying we need a different, a serious, but a dime shift from adults into those are the ocean that united states europe does that it could be nice. the state to by this time on the board that as of 6 or 7 and by this time would be admitted as a independence over on the states as a member of the united nation, even before the war in gaza. and october 7th, the vast majority of palestinians of the armed struggle is the most effective means of ending the is really occupation. we've been talking a lot about to go home. see here, we're here with the munich security conference, the this sentiment among palestinians. does it worry you? but as soon as they want to solution, we've tried almost like going from montana to try the prospect it of course not

only frustrated but as soon as our hungry but a scene is not a fit, but a scene is out of spite of being that out of $9000.00, but a scene is out in presence that out of thousands of feet from it is it is somebody that has edited 6000 palestinians since october, 7th and to day to day we have $9000.00. but a scene is inside the presidents and human dated the impossible conditions. so therefore, the only prospect that frustrated the hungry that but as the nose they need and the provision i've definitely seen and they need to look free. this is what, where you and the for us patients, you and i'm go to you and talking to you and you end to violence. that is how you end up. hopefully by giving people to the right is not by looking at was my big things. we need to look at the roots of the issue, not only of the symptoms of visual, that is what i'm the, what's of the problem for there. but as soon as it's in over to a patient that is the name of the game,

palestinian prime minister mohammed attire issued i thank you so much for your time . thank you for joining us on conflicts on here from, from the next security. continue our conversation now with our panel. we are joined by city live, nice former foreign minister of israel. thank you for your time. and most of it is going to be joining us in just a moment. the foreign minister of jordan. we are joined by jose manuel audit as we know for a minister of spain and melanie, usually foreign minister of canada. a welcome to all of you. thank you for your time. and as we wait for the dirt, any inform minister to join us to believe me, i just like to get a very brief comment from you. the beginning, i will israel launch and offensive, and russell, i think that you felt secure with the needs are and i do support due to this method from us, from its mandatory infrastructure and hopefully to today's come us weeds and more legitimate and programmatic losing. of these really ami,

we take the necessary steps including taking in consideration into know, sonia when he's telling low as we need to the opposite is that we quote, for the scenes to leave their homes, nothing older to expel them. but in order to save their lives, because they are being kept as human sheets by homeless and therefore the situation is uh, complicated. uh, yes, the offer experienced with a suffering through. but the lead collection these out, all of us, can lead to a better future. and not, and this will in gaza is another wrong because i've also ministering these where the security cub and that's in the last rounds of operations in gaza. why we felt that the terrorist would be enough? the 2nd we thought that any understanding we come us i, i didn't so faulty because i think the homeless would be the 2 to mice. but they

will devise all fast food doable to be the side that on the 1st round of negotiations with the full experience that it's not about to blame game all history . but about finding the solution, the only way to achieve peace is by understanding that the choices be not b is not between ease release and but his pinions. but we've seen those that want and the willing to take also, of course, political re sonata to chief based on both sides. and just entering to blame game or calling the international community. give us a say this has no code for to, i'm in no subsidy. i'd like to get your response 1st of all, um, to what we have heard mr for minister, by the way, welcome and thank you for joining us. you know, we've been discussing all ice right now. really being on rough up jordan and egypt have been quite clear that they will not accept any forceful transfer of

palestinians in egypt appears to be building an enclosure on its border, the form and store of egypt address this yesterday. so do you think that your stance can still hold strong on this, given the dire humanitarian situation in gaza and the talk of the military operation extending their well, i mean we should not be responsible for cleaning good is right is miss a and before i address that we, we've got to print things in the right perspective, which we see in gaza. is, is a, the boss, do you think war at mass murder, destruction of the livelihood of 2000000 people pushing people to the best of the store and cost. but that is getting journalists, getting medics getting get communicated workers and, and we've got to frame things and go right in the right context. the, the root cause of all of this is occupation that has had no horizons of ending that's being consolidated in the out. look at the number of settlements in terms of,

of the growth that we've seen over the past few years. look at the situation before october 7. what did we have before october 7th? we had a complete, deployed general political horizons. we had a government that, that, that, that includes why they can racist ministers who openly quoted for beginning of palestinians because in human 90 months they don't just pick the rights. and we had a process in which this is really government tried to sit in the fallacy, but it's kind of jump over dependence to an issue to have the original piece and ignore the palestinians as if these aren't the exist. this current is really prime minister was on that it could saying that his mission is supplicate dependence to me is but less variation for states. october 7th, we opened them to collect was really civilians. on october 7th, all the countries did that. but i have yet to hear the ones we all have. i have it tonight. but here one is really official, condemning the beginning of 50000 people in guys,

a 75 percent of them are women and children. we have a country that made peace with us i still 2 years ago, but we made peace within the context of a broader piece that should allow for reasonable conditions that will ensure safety, security, dignity for all the people, the photos that i can is i'm going to send you, which is why i cannot have security, i missed, but assuming as have security, we all kind of have these, i'm just the police to me and people have their legitimate rights to stay to them. freedom and dignity people tend. this seems to have been pushed under and under, under tons of layers of, of, of, of, of ignorance and acting because it politically is not exist. so let's bring things like we have a conflict. the root cause of the conflict is an occupation that is a violation of every human right that exists. there was no verizon for this a few patients to and now we're just looking at things as if the only problem is that there is something called time us know. the only problem is that there is an occupation that has to and we end up with since 2002 have said that were willing to

have fully norm as ties with his way invitation for ending the occupation and daylight zation of up in a city and state is what i did not even consider that and, and, and this is the question that we have on the issue of displacement. it's set up. so we know we will allot, allow for the displacement to flip another. uh uh, and then also when you're sending and is that also what your objection counterparts are saying? yes, i think jordan and egypt have been even despite on what building of the inquiry about, the displacement is not acceptable. it's a violation of international law. it's a little crime, but beyond that it was sort of nothing. it would just sit the stage for further conflict. if one less than the school ever wants peace, we kind of just keep speaking in the macro. the path to peace is known, the 2 state solution, the zation of a palestinian state that can live in the sun and security with his right. and the other 2 will come about political horizon about this is, i'm sorry, it's ignoring the issue and it's assuming that you can continue to control the life

of 5000000 people. and then i them every human rights and say, i want to piece how is that possible? i'd like to turn to the spanish one mr. right now and get the use of this. the spanish for you is here because you are among the e. u countries most critical of the rising just to one, gaza and israel's occupation, their operation, their excuse me, if you have pause arms sales we understand and how do you see the prospects for de escalation and ending the conflict? everything that we are doing and say in amc and the escalation, these escalation of violence will lead the nowhere, i don't see any political vision behind all these violence and there is have real risk of fits below over the own. gotcha. we see what's going on in the west bank. we are very, very worried for a very fry, y'all already leaving. and so basically seeing,

we'll know what is needed to get keys on security for both the palestinian people and these riley people we take very seriously the security concerns of age was when we called for a pen. my names, his fire when we called to the media, the entrance of humanitarian aid, which is absolutely needed thing guess, a given dates, the catastrophic humanitarian, the situation when we called for the media release of, of, of, of hostages. all those things are on go in the benefit of, of both of them. the police, the on sundays, riley's and melanie juliet. i'd like to turn to you for mr. of canada. um, and perhaps you can also give us the international perspective as well as maybe the north american perspective as well. how much influence do you see the international community have having on bring an end to this conflict? what we need now is a hospice deal. we need that because that's the only way that we can get you mentor

and support up to 500 trucks a day from kat themselves, manasseh. and from there, there will be a momentum to get to a sustainable. busy the cease fire violence must stop. i think we all agree on that as and when we had the late last truce in november, we saw that things come down, the pressure and all our country come down. i'm a say in canada, the politics of, of this is extremely difficult and they're, that's creating tensions, more anti semitism, more and more as animal phobia. it's, there's lots of tensions in our community. so what we want is a hostage deal. it's a manager in a this will then permits the work on a grand bargain, which is for too long we've been thinking, and particularly the left center left, which i'm from, we believe in

a 2 state solution. but wait, wait, wait, let me jump in this and i'll get to. so we've been living in a 2 state solution. and then the rate was much more into normalization of relationship with israel. let's you know, let's make sure that there is a security, a parent is for the region. but the reality, sharon right now is we have an opportunity to bring the long lasting keys to the region. why? because we have to put the 2 together. there will be no security for the air broil, and for israel, if there's no no runs ation deal without your radia and a 2 state solution, what more pressure could the international community though, bring to bear? and i just like to acknowledge that you formed policy chief is sitting in the front row here. yeah, burrell is right here right now. and i'm going to quote you, joseph, but out if you don't mind, because you said this in the past week, if you made this thinly veiled call on the united states to cut arm supplies to israel due to the high civilian casualties and the war you said that if you believe

that too many people are being killed, maybe you should provide less arms in order to prevent so many people from being killed. so there are points there. i, there's 2 things we believe in the right of israel to exist. that's fundamental. they must be able to exist in peace and security. we also have a foreign policy all about human security or canada. that's what we believe in, and the protection of civilians as been of the core of everything we've been doing . so of course, right now, this is difficult balance and on rasa. we were absolutely here. this is unacceptable because palestinians have nowhere to go. you have been in the centre of negotiations if you live, need to support us to, to state solution. you're also, i mean you're in israel, you'll see the trauma of october 7th and the population is traumatized. there is no appetite right now for us to state police or at least very little appetite. and so,

you know, and this is our final round of questions by the way. so i just like everybody to, to perhaps have a last little final word here before we open it up to questions from everybody else . so you said that it will be difficult to convince as relates to support piece to support a 2 state solution. it's, do you see, i mean, oh yes, i see how it is to the piece where it is under trauma. all of us also though somebody and this kind of falls, oh, you mentioned and thank you for that to the hostages. they need to be released because they were taken before kinds against humanity. but speaking about the 2 states or future, the least also in need to understand this also on the police being inside the those supporting deals to states for 2 people. we didn't reach an agreement, but they were present aspirations, legitimate desperation of the policy and info state. how much does not come mazda

does not accept the rival fees where to exist and the for those. but those speaking now about a ton of peace, we come us the don't understand the nature. it's not just, it's still, we're still going to zation full, some feeds and fights us. gov sweep, quotes of been free. if they had 3 nouns, violence, we less because we didn't want to be there. we don't want to control the police thing in life. i know that the negotiations know the us. so the, so for the georgia and into the p a is this, and this is something concrete quote, there's a need for us also. i mean like to understand that the outcome of the, of this can be secure. and i'm speaking about those. suppose the so feel states, not all these disabilities, the one, not all parts of this government,

but to us for us, we need to understand that it's bring security that these, if we have a new, secure with a structure in the region, we have to solve this we have children with others, it ends up by having that and then i'll change all the, all of these thoughts on guys, and this hopefully can, can make a change. and also for the, i'd like to ask you, 1st of all, for your response, 2nd of all, can you take a sense of some of these negotiation rooms and tell us, particularly what regional players might be willing to provide to get a deal done? what is potentially on the table to move not only from a ceasefire, but maybe also to a 2 state solution, possibly also to another normalization agreement with a saudi arabian israel and region 1st. thank you sir. i mean the festival. i think the key thing is that this war has to, in this snare, there has to end this, this, this, this,

these work crimes have to and that's the number one that's the bottom line. and what happens after a come to that, but for now, nothing can justify the continuation of the destruction of the livelihood of 2000000 people. nothing can justify attacking costs because nothing can justify getting 20000 children. nothing can just to pipe making 17000 kids is engulfed. that this is unacceptable by understand. that is why it has trust, every motor and the human to chevy and league, and load that there exists. that's number one. number 2, again, we've got to frame things like it is unacceptable. again, to keep beating that on the bush, i'm up there. it's a nice that the problem is with is what you, the politics. that is what it does not want to keep nice. the right to the pursuit and people to exist. not only are the saying that, but they're doing everything that will render the 2 state solution and bytes. and i'm fox speak to that. what's the table from regional player? i'll tell you that what's on the table is 40 piece that has to be on a piece, and it should have 2200 stand on the table for the normal size for the piece,

for the acceptance. but that's kinda to happen without ending the occupation and getting the policy. is that right? we, we come up sort the conflict unless we realize we recognize that the 5000000 palestinians under corporation whose lives are to tell the hosted, talk about guns on our door. safety is about sticking 2000000 palestinians hostage in gaza. and i'm sorry, is what i did not indicate the patient of guys, legally, guys what, what's the, what's that okay? like we say okay, is right. got out of gaza, but they seized their borders. they besieged their skies. they denied the entry of, of, of any, any tiny thing in 2000 without, without the permission of his ride and visited with pre doesn't a gas. it was an open prison even before october 7 guys that was besieged again for the hostage data. by the way, i'm sure you heard the 30 prime minister, whoever once i deal does not to walk away from negotiations as i looked away from negotiations. i personally believe that this kind of just like a um, it does look like those things. these does not want this work to end its wants to continue uh,

with this war and like everybody's final thoughts will begin with not initially. yeah, i think that this, this conflict has had proportions that are unacceptable. but i really believe sarah, and having spend so much time with a man with face that from saudi arabia with tony blink. and there's way more people agreeing at the international level on what needs to be done and way more interest in putting texture. the problem we have is we don't necessarily have dancing partners right now. and i think that that is why then the most preoccupying thing right now, which would allow the right political momentum is a hostage deal. then you mentor an 8th. i really think that we need to put pressure on time. now we need to do the difference between israel and the natania

governments as well. we need to make sure also that we have allies in israel to put pressure, also an entirely new government. and, and that's his job and will support joy aiming and, and, and jordan and the king and ever and, and all the other states. we need a reform p a because right now how moss has too much of it system is in the eyes of palestinian that are too much suffering right now. so we need to be able to help them to offer them the people, a new generation of young, posted new leaders that will be at the table to create the state mr. formative to your final thoughts it's, it's very clear that the hope of the palestinian people under security of these riley people are completely and totally un. we cannot escape to that. and the hope of the palestinian people has a name, a police state in the state, a realistic policy, united states. and the means guess on there was bank under one single policy. now story di, connected by a korea though with an next

a to the c and with it's got between an easier rosellan. and what would have to do is to help that. so for today, for today is the immediate release of hostages on the bird. my name's his fire, but for tomorrow know for us to tomorrow, for tomorrow is the police. the interstate is the only way in which both of them will have peace security on the hold me the least. i mean, i'm not asking the will to, to the blind i to, to what is what he's doing and got some but it just seem according to your own more and legal justice and legal a system because the no fly for is very interesting. and i mean it's the same, we are not speaking about the nature of the grief it's, it's so but to us, those is the target civilians, the, with the targets killed. right? this is who they are. is what it is that democracy we are trying to avoid civic

casualties. i was in beesley, copying that i know always works. so i'm not saying that you cannot ask question or get the answers. but to make this composer it's one you cannot compare these to with the looking for children took you to an ami, the price poor, avoid civic casualties. and to your question about whether or not all these for the saw, the say north of the police thickness, let's say you can find the nature of those supporting fees, upholding the idea of 2 states and those completely against the as you know. and they've, somebody live in greater palestine between the reversal the see sign me mean. so you in these well, uh those, the living great. the reason that between deliver to the c, i hope, and this is the only hopefully as low as some policy names like to find on both sides the little. she understands the, the best option for the wrong people used to find the way forward and to

acknowledge the legitimate rights of the side and the farm using not just the both of the 2 states, but 2 states for 2 people. the gifts and also to mention that the stewardship of different peoples, i negotiate the fist during this negotiations on the other side of the representatives of the piano. uh fuck the uh, accepted uh the existence of the state officials. we didn't fix on this funding. so on board, it's another thing, but i would like to say since we, it was asked to both we both mistakes. in 2014, the was on the type of an american paper. i think it was justin slow to the public stance as well. and unfortunately, no answer was given. so sometimes the choice between 0 or 100 percent or $4.00 to $1.00, gives you a 0. and are you hope that both sides with understand the nature of compromises

that i've made, the mr deputy? thank you. look, test of what the students have rights and we kind of just keep talking about, but it's to me, ends up having hopes and aspirations. they have rights to those rights are embedded, international law. those items are invented and he who many charity and the rights of dependency needs to exist in their own states. independence have written on june for 1967 lives, which is your sentiments. capitan is something that that is the only way to move forward. and it's not slogans, it's reality and for what i talk about what the existed and what did not exist in the past. i think we'd be having a different position. let's look at the future. the future that we see comes out of one of the feats or piece for simians for as a lease for everybody to have that this is what is the attempt to concerns for security and others should be addressed. the palestinians like to freedom and state which must be oppressed as when that's coupled with number 2. we cannot continue to

talk about what's happening guys as if it's something that you could just look at and glance. i then move over, know, there is a, there's a catastrophe happening. you guys are in a sense of being killed. there's a army is getting children. so it's getting women and children and goes as destroying hospitals and cousins, the swing schools in gaza. and that has to be recognized, they will, did recognize that trauma looked over 7 is what it has yet to recognize the trauma that has been in. ready on police to me is the in the out every day. and the zip listing is a be contained goes on by the way on the response. do you know that even before october 7, 2023 was the bloodiest year for palestinians in open decades? that's before october 7th, the number of understandings can on the west bank is the highest and tickets that is the policy. this is really government, which again has ministers that, that, that openly quoted for beginning and destruction of understanding. so that's the thing. so to move forward, i think we just need this war has to stop and the world has to stand up those

responsibility there should be consequences. and again, to a question about the forms that others, the whole world. now saying the only possible what is to state solution, the whole world, the saying, hey, many, 10 it should be out into 1000. the whole of the saying civilians should be protected and is what it has been. not none of that. an ask, i think is way the is there is only to do what they don't tell us what you want as do you want it to stay solution or not? so i think that's how we plan the composition to move forward. again, the water has to end and we need to start a, implement a plan that would realize that the city and state, and that would only be the only guarantee of the future of peace for palestinians. unfortunately, unfortunately, we have to leave it there and apologies to everybody that we've, we've run over time. so that concludes our panel. the

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