because all the world we make the difference, w, call the world and also your info is in all the input w story. now on to the on both sides of the atlantic today. lawmakers took steps to obtain tech here in europe. the 1st of its kind, artificial intelligence act was adopted by the european parliament and on capitol hill in washington. the us house of representatives passed legislation that gives tick tock and ultimatum culture ties to china or be cut out of the american market altogether. i'm or golf and berlin, this is the day the we are the cold war with china,

and some of my colleagues want to ignore this back. but i disagree with this approach and build that can impact 170000000 americans to use take time. our intention is for tick tock to continue to operate, but not under the control of the chinese communist party. a state wide tick tock ban has already been caused by a federal judge on 1st amendment ground. this should be an alarm to every tick tock user. there is no reason why the chinese communist party should be in control of an app that can access information on a uses phone. also coming up, groundbreaking, i'm president in history making the european parliament today took action to protect people from artificial intelligence and to protect a i from itself is never good or bad. the same algorithm can be used to those type of offer as well as do cancer. detection, so it's all about what does the use case the eyes use for and who is using a lot of the innovation comes from small startups. and so the more regulation we

put, the less the innovation with see from the small company, which our viewers watching on cbs in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today in the us where the days could be numbered for tick tock. on wednesday, lawmakers in the us house of representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that could band the social media platform if it refuses to sever all ties to the chinese government. lawmakers both republicans and democrats, every just concerns about china's ability to access tick tock, user data via the platforms, chinese parent company by dance saying that this could pose a threat to national security. the legislation now goes to the us senate wherever and faces an uncertain future. however, us president biden says if presented with the bill, he will signed into law. a chip talks future in the united states is in jeopardy. the us house of representatives has given its owner bite,

dance and ultimatum divest from the app within 6 months, or risk of ban across all us devices approved by the house. the bill now goes to the senate where its fate is. i'm certain, it's a rare occasion where a piece of legislation has strong bipartisan support, as well as opposition. any ban on the tip top is not just banning the freedom of expression. you're literally causing huge hard to our national economy. we have small business owners that are here as small business owners from across the country. they used to talk an estimated 170000000, tick tock users are based in the us. it's reach as part of the reason why intelligence officials are concerned. the head of the f, b i n c, i a have one that china could use it to influence us public opinion and that it could compel by dance to hand over data on its use or you're getting there have

been no reports of beijing having done this, but the possibility of it happening has prompted law makers to take action by dance denies any connection to the chinese government. china is warning the us that the band will come back to bite it. president biden who joined the app last month. he says he will sign the band if it passes a senate and ends up on his desk. but take talk responded immediately to the us houses, the calling the legislation in our white van. here's house, minority leader, hockey and jeffries. i don't support a ban on tick tock. the legislation did not ban tick tock. it's simply a, the rest of sure of tick tock so that this social media platform can be owned by an american company that would protect the data and the privacy, the of the american consumer from malignant foreign interest like the chinese

communist party or more. now i'm joined by lindsey gorman. she's a senior fellow for emerging technologies at the alliance for securing democracy. she is in washington dc where she joins me tonight. it's good to see you again. let's just talk about what happened today. the us house passing this legislation. do you for see the us senate doing the same? yeah, it's good to see you too. i think the us senate will be definitely less of a foregone conclusion than the house. it might take a little bit more time. but there are some encouraging signals. today the chairman and ranking member of the house and tell her that of the senate intelligence committee came out in support of the bill. the bind administration has said that the president will sign the bill if it passes the senate. so there does seem to be a ground swell of support, even as, as, as you noted and from, from people like a representative jeffreys who do not support

a ban on tick tock. this is a, this is a measured response and so i think, well, we'll, we'll see what happens there is a good chance that this makes it through you as president by the says that he will sign the legislation into law if it makes it to his desk. and you know, that struck me when i, when i heard that today, because the white house just a month ago, joint tick tock. how do you explain that? i mean, that sounds like you're talking of the both sides of your mouth there. mr. president it sounds that way a bit and i, but i would, i would say that it wasn't the white house story to talk. it was the buying campaign that trying tick tock, which i think to many read does a distinction without a difference. but in terms of federal law, on these boundaries, it is somewhat different in that that this is a campaign activity, not a sudden executive branch activity. but while i'm heartened by is that despite the campaign being on tick tock, it does seem like the administration is still willing to pursue aggressive action

to resolve the national security from the government visit. don't you agree? it looks even worse though, for a and official campaign to join take talk as opposed to the white house itself. i mean, you know, we hear all the universe. it's what 2016, about 4 in interference and us elections in here. you have, you know, by joining tick tock saying that and he'll sign the walter to ban it if he gets yeah, i don't think it's great that the buying campaign is on tick tock despite the fact that the administration clearly recognizes it as a national security threat i'm hopeful that the campaign, like many americans, will be able to continue to use the platform once these national security issues are resolved through a defense that you are cuz it's clearly a popular platform is clearly something that political candidates want to use to reach voters. we just have to deal with these abstract inquiry concerns so you can carry on not. yeah. and took talking belongs to a chinese company bite, dance chinese companies we know are required by law in china to supply the

government with any and all information if it is requested. this is really what congress finds disturbing, isn't it? to that's right, and that's part of it though i think the other part of it is, it's important to remember that in china there really is no such thing as a private company in the united states and in europe when other democracies were accustomed to seeing the separation between companies and the government and china, ultimately, all companies are implemented at the state. and so, yes, we're talking about the data risk, but really i think what's coming up even more clearly now in this conversation of the past week is the influence of propaganda. and the ability to target american voters and voters around the world with content to influence their views on candidates on elections, and on public opinion. what you're talking about is maybe subliminal psych ops being executed or aimed at the american public by

a company that happens to, you know, be owned by a chinese company that answers to the chinese communist party. i mean, that is, that's a huge deal when you think of it that way. right. and that's exactly right. and it's not us the radical risk. and we, we saw in united states very clearly what russia did, using facebook and russia did not have a controlling interest. i had no ownership of facebook, it was still able to succeed. imagine a rush. i had own facebook back in 2016 and it's, it's, it's in its actions in europe even before 2016. and we already do have evidence of, of china interested in meddling and us elections, particularly when a chinese this event has been on the ballot. so this is not a theoretical risk, and it's just to rate a tool to hand over to an autocratic power whose interests are degrading the us position in the world. well, what about these us big tech companies platforms? i'm thinking of facebook and twitter used to be x, i mean,

they still exist. these are us companies, but have, do we have regular regulation in place to ensure that they are not used by, for example, russia again to influence the outcome of an election? i mean, it's easy to point our finger at china, but are we looking in the mirror? i think a lot of people would say that we're not looking in the mirror enough and they might be right. and it's true that facebook and twitter in many of these platforms have taken major strides to crack down on foreign influence activity on their platforms. and every month, every couple of months, we hear about a take down of chinese accounts or russian accounts on facebook on, on twitter, coordinated and authentic behavior that is rooted out by the platform. and that's encouraging. i'm, i think there's still definitely a threat there. but the key difference is that market locker berg, as far as we know, is not taking orders from the chinese communist party. yeah, that's a very good point to make. you know,

you and i have talked over the last couple years about attempts to regulate a social media. what do you make about with this legislation? i mean, this legislation was present in what just a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago. i mean, it's made it to the, the vote in the house very quickly. is this political washington waking up to the responsibilities that you and i talked about 2 or 3 years ago that seemed to have been neglected in washington in some sense. yes, i don't think this is, anyone sees this as a bill, that's a panacea to solve all the problems of social. ready media, it is very, very narrow. we targeted to dealing with tick tock by dance and potentially other or an adversary controlled autocratic apps. so this is not wide scale social media regulation. let's be clear that said i do think this question on tick. tock has been brewing for a very long time, and that's driving some of the expediency i think that we're seeing with which this bill has been able to pass the house and were received uh 500 boat out of committee

in the manner of about a week this is a part of bipartisan initiative, one of the signature initiatives coming out of the house, select committee on the ccp. and so i think we're in because we're in the election year, there's that extra added urgency where we want to do something together. we want to do something by partisan, and the reality is people are starting to use to talk to talking about the 2024 election in the us and that's a problem that needs to be solved right away. very good point, lindsey gorman with the alliance for securing democracy in washington, dc is always good talking with we appreciate the analysis. thank you. likewise, thanks for having me. now to this one of the atlantic european union, lawmakers today approved the world's 1st ever legal framework on governing artificial intelligence. we move the assets, supporters say that it aims to protect you citizens from the risk posed by the technology or at the same time promoting agreement. a i innovation 8 by on the

european continent, and it's been about 5 years in the making. and it could be seen as president making for countries struggling to control a ice rapids in advance. is close. i'll be talking to an expert on artificial intelligence just a moment, but 1st this report explain what it is and why it's proponent, say it has the power to revolutionize the world. and what other say it brings great risk as well. whenever computers do jobs that previously required human intelligence, we speak of artificial intelligence, i crops up and many phones from the algorithms that decide what we see on social media to programs we use to generate text or images or software that helps doctors to spot cancer and x rays, but it can also be used to supercharge this information online, or enables surveillance on an unprecedented level. so many countries are looking to

regulate artificial intelligence. europe is leading the way. there are fundamentally 2 sides to the debate. many i developers are concerned about having to match regulation. we need to make sure that we don't override your life right now because that will hinder innovation. as awesome, as was to help found the german, hey i association, which represents some 400 companies. i is never good about the same algorithm can be used to those type of offer as well as to cancer detection. so it's all about what does the use case? the eyes use for it who is using a lot of innovation comes from small startups. and so the more regulation we put, the less the innovation of and see from the small companies. but while the opportunities of a i a vast. so with the risks, and that's the other side of the debate. digital rights advocates want to top rules to mitigate the risks, the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and all these. let's a complex complex algorithms and data sets. are jeff placate the biases?

that's the humans have a systems used in recruitment, for example, have been shown to be biased against women. facial recognition technology has been proven to be less accurate for people of color with people being arrested for crimes. they never committed, and algorithms used by public authorities have wrongly accused thousands of families of welfare fraud. so, you know, make, is a thinking to balance both sides of the argument. their answer regulate a i systems according to their level of risk when the risk so limited, like when a high is used to filter the emails for spam, only a few rules apply, but for potentially life changing applications, like deciding which students qualify for higher education, the rules will be strict to some applications will be banned completely. the aim is to reap the benefits of a i while limiting it's the risks. i know i want to pull in daniel permit here.

he's executive director to the kerosene to for a i risk and impacts any joint is from san, from cisco. daniel, it's good to have you with this. do you think this artificial intelligence act? does it tackle the, the biggest risk that a i pose is the people in the you, i mean, is this a day that the world, particularly europeans, should be celebrate? thanks for having me. yeah, i think so. it, it tackle service that we're facing today, at least when it comes to a i, i'm not sure it will get us all the way to a i safety forever. i think more will need to solve it. but it's 2nd in a historical day to day. this is as a set, the world's 1st comprehensive say i have a good nation and i think it turned out surprisingly well. it's not perfect. um, but uh the you did a pretty good job here. i think it at a big reconciling, defend needs and requirements that different stakeholder groups had. so there was

a need for innovation. we need to stay competitive as, as europeans. but we also one safety and we don't want to compromise on that. and i think a lot of that does a good job with that. well, what talk me through this and help us understand exactly how are people being pre texted now by what was past today are right, so, um, originally the, this law, the act was conceived of as a purely sort of a user focused r r. i use specific law, so there are a lot of different rules for a i in medicine, a i, in law and a, i know all these very different specific sectors. and you know, you can argue about whether in some cases it's a bit of older regulation or on the regulation. but i think overall it's a clear commitment to protecting users and the you. and then i think we've been very clever as your kids to also add later on rules for general purpose models. and

so these are the g p, t, detached, repeat ease of this world. this is how i have been taking the world by storm, and we added rules for these general models that don't really fit in any of these use categories because they're so general and so broad. they are very potent and that means they can also lead to a lot of risks because they're so strong and putting, and i think it's great that the act has binding requirements for the developers of these general models as what you used to speak of over regulation. i'm sure you would be suspicious of anyone who is out right now saying that this is over regulation, because this is actually the 1st attempt at any regulation of a i. and i'm wondering because of this is, is big tech in your opinion, likely to comply with these regulations, or do you foresee big tech trying to find loopholes and ways to circumvent the regulations or oh, i mean, i certainly think i expect them to, to try and look for ways to, you know,

keep the compliance costs as much as possible for them. um, but they're going to have a hard time because there's an, as you said, is binding. it's, it's hard law now. and if it's companies are not going to comply with it, they will have to pay signs. so yes, i expect so both overall efforts to compliance, but also a big tech and companies in general has this kind of natural for them to, to look for a new pulse. a lot will come down now to the implementation phase. that is basically beginning now. so that means translating the fairly high level language of the law as it's been passed into very concrete and detailed standards to tell companies exactly what they have to comply with. and i think we need to make sure that the standard setting face this implementation face that's coming now, goes well, so only on the 1st half of the, of the homework that we've done. and there's more to come. yeah,

it's definitely new territory for, for everyone. daniel pivot here with the cure center for a iris and impacts talking with us about this groundbreaking, the artificial intelligence act, to your, into your opinion, the 1st of its kind in the world. then you'll thank you. thank you. test level. so you learned boss visited his company's factory outside berlin today, just as the assembly line went back online following suspected sabotage or contest was 1st, european plant was halted for nearly a week after fire damage to a high voltage pilot. a left we extreme. this group is claimed responsibility for the attack to my colleague, our political correspondent, julie, suddenly she was at the tesla factory today for this visit. you wanted to see you on musket, i understand you didn't get to see him and also you didn't get to hear what he was saying either by far as hard drive fly and it was obviously a test last. so i've got that. but yeah, we were sort of all outside kept outside of the factory and we could see this big

tent with all the workers inside and even less good talking to them. but then we actually got a cars driven by employees of tesla parked in front of where we journalists were standing blasting music. so we couldn't really hear what he was saying. do you know why, why we didn't want you to hear what he was saying? i guess it was not a public event, so they want us to listen. then what do we know? why mister ilan most decided to take the trouble to travel to germany, to visit his factory. but it seems like you have to boost morale a little bit at the factory. it been a week, the with workers left not being able to work because of the arson attack that happened close to the tesla factory and they basically have to shut down production . so it was last week, right? yes, exactly, a week ago. so i imagine that there were some concerns also among the workers there about, you know, what is going on here some, some, some worry also do people actually hate us because we work at that? well, what is going on? i mean, it was sabotage, right? yes. we've heard a group claiming responsibility for the sabotage of the power lines leading into tesla and effected the tesla factory. but also people who live in the area who were

without electricity also for a week. so it's been, it's been quite an impact for, for it has let itself, this company has said its loss up the hundreds of millions of dollars or euro is because of this. and so, you know, i will eat on mosque was there to boost morales to tell the employees there that he's not giving up on the test the project in germany, and that 0. they actually want to continue with plans to expand the factory. what is there? is there a hostile environment right now between i guess the people who live around the factory and the, the tesla management or, well, we tesla has plans to expand the factory. and this is an area that is full of for us. and we've seen that last month, residents in the area, 65 percent of them voted against the expansion of the factory. they're concerned that they basically don't want more for us to be torn down, but they're also concerned about the water supply. is an area outside berlin that is already has scarce water and they're afraid that because the plan to use is so

much water that they'll have problems with the water supply in the future, especially in the summer is where we see droughts quite often in the area what do we know about the group to claim responsibility for the, the, the, i guess the power outage and sabotage last week. so this is a group that is classified by germany's intelligence service. as a far less big scream is grouped with our coast leanings. and they, we don't know much about them really. they know that they were formed in 2011, and that they've been carrying out arson attacks in berlin, in the area around berlin. and it's not the 1st time that they actually went after tesla already. what are the, what are they against? well, they are sort of like an antique capital list. a group of they've attacked testers specifically because it's supposed to be a green car, right? electric car that's well, this is something that i heard for example from another group of protesters who have set up a protest camp just outside the factory in the force that is meant to be torn down

by the expansion. and they have distance themselves from the arse and attack. they don't agree with that other group that is going against those law. but the protesters in the protest camps, they call themselves anti capitalism. they say what tesla is doing with electric vehicles is not the solution to the climate crisis. they say that the way that test would produce is it's electric vehicles is exploiting, for example, countries in the global south where raw materials are taken to produce the batteries for the electric vehicles. and that this is actually causing more in the quality of more injustice in the world, instead of actually bringing forth a transition that they say should be more fair. yeah, but we know chinese car makers right now. they're are also going to let you know about to lead the way. when it comes to e vehicles. i wonder if they're being targeted as well. what about the one must do we know does, does he have any buyer's remorse is a big investment. to put a factory like that here in germany, wages are high here. i mean, it's not, it's not an expensive to do business here. and now he's got sabotage to deal with

that. and this is the only tesla factory in the whole of europe. yeah. so it is quite a big thing also for germany. what he said today is that no, he doesn't have buyer's remorse. what we've heard that came out of this meeting that he has at the factory. and today that he's ready to go ahead and he sort of, you know, try to give a morale boost the workers. but certainly he must be asking himself, is it worth going ahead? and this is also a question that is probably also working for the german, local, and federal governments. because german is not an easy country to invest in. the salaries are high, the costs of labor is high. labor laws are very strong and protecting workers, and also red papers notoriously, pretty terrible. so if protests also come into the mix, i'm sure that some big international companies might start questioning even more. is germany a good choice? yeah, well he said he came here because, you know, they are highly skilled workers are huge, cool, highly skilled workers here which, which he needs what we'll see. i mean, he says that bind twitter was not

a bad idea either. so, you know, i guess the jury is still out on that. julia, thank you. thank you. of the day continues online and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the

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