to reveal that so world, why did the us government suddenly shut down project cassandra in 2016? 03 pod documentary series on la skiing has paula starts may 4th on d. w is where i live mid to killing 7 for an aid workers in gaza. every in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food to begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah. megan's head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in

a week really. and, and that we sped for the blood. voss in rough dig around, says the power of a rising of garza now, right. some of the worst or so from any civilian population, in our time a day. why was the power on the, the good stuff before so many was killed. yeah, mega and welcome to complex on. thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops as be new, hope that's the so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it, perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shuttle on board the crossing in

the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet, and there's still a lot of restrictions on, in terms of movement inside dos out, that is red controls completely. now, except for rough. i in the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh, on the slot, if they advance is rarely advised, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 5 to 56 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else in the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens,

all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled to 34, or 5 times. most of them they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from where their answers this pain. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that it could, they don't know. i'd say good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's want to humanity to have it will enter refuge account, but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian. fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there are no

quick fixes to that of the know very quick ones that except that this is there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow every day that you times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the, i'm at manmade fireman from h is that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is an assignment made by a wall and made by a brocade that is rather has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october,

britton's father secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the iris crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right. uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of hot on the as riley side. when i think finally the united states, red, even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as really war machine to be paid according to, to the laws of war. but we didn't see, and that's in the 1st 5 months at or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to the promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they have been so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or where fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this, the odds for this, the bones or this in discriminant assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries. they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on the indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to do for

reflect attacks. on the 7th of october, you seem to be citing the western countries which are on the one that and supplying comes out on the other hand, calling for then to the, the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that to view? uh yeah, yeah, they, uh it, it, they all seem as super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is not really bad in ukraine as we will all agree, but it's somehow or what is? well, it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it progress. see, what i would say is that they have been for this problem thing lee, and put them in the pro the save yourself

a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we, when not allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is read, which is a lick, your intent to controlling the port, the crossings on politically, with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your military access. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers,

they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the, the rules of what a warrior meant is having a little of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told up, but you must see yourself that not listening and upset 7 times to me. it's like putting your fingerprints on over time. see if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place one apartment house civilian phone up comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence, as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't, yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think it was strategic mistake

of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having border sympathy with the united states everybody and then licked the ballot beeper so that that was what the boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with the side or rick pick the organizations the same thing they must have had foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we found, that thing was to grow some, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population. and, and i,

i have come then those to say no, this was an operation. guess of 2 patients. this was legitimate that it costs or what, or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women, children concert. go go us. i'm a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning about it but, but then to, to go the insight, what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the so okay, and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we like to start. as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defenders? no, no. it's poppy on legitimate substitute pence and energy costs as well as a right. so it depends. that's what on, on those west and lead to providing it on site. it's legitimate sub to fed. and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much, all right, this, what they decided to do was, and they made a mess visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers who have set things that that are from them, but really they fit. we wouldn't make basically gusta on the level, but we will change garza completely. we will not let in fruit. we will not let in

electricity. we will not let in, in water. that's what they sent. early on, many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was out, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such an abiding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that are not batch unique. i've also been of late to the

shot shoot on board that and met the 10s of thousands of people up fled the object. all rows of who ensued. don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak. golf and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, belin gusta. so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or opponent or let been for the palestinians trapped inside it then stood populated area. and that's the other one. i mean they, they, this has been split up and they did without escape. sadly, it's a more inc,

ends on boardman in this smart place, then in any of the place and in recent memory. and then then lack of adequate access for you monitoring to assist them. not because of lack of resources, because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general is don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and then so many other places the western countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is ready

policy. even without that, you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to, gosh, are you said? i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organized around them come voice in the gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of champagne, tugged up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good. lied spears radius to let them in or going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey, eh, is read, are you going to bump this us, you take german con void. that is going with fruit and other. ringback humanitarian

relief that we friends of his friends have monitored ourselves. of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example to them in, in syria there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them of the name of a character, perhaps that would be i'm us. it maybe. yeah, it is slamming the groups. uh, one of them which the legions do i tell you that some? yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from techie and there is a un security resolution enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government and the muskets spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is the interesting to control every single cielo that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so, so well, i'm so tired really. we wait where we're input and they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean not a single the truck goes from egypt into direction to gaza without its having been monitored by yes. really. pulses in the, in the, your own on the as really side of the board that it's a, there we have

a you should go and see if set lying to come in the line to come in the queue to be monitored and, and let it go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks, to go to, to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it says it said it has been a different system from day one. you want me to go on. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence most suffering. i. i really think them it will, it, we, we, we will not have this as short or red, but as 6 months the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we all sped for the blood off in rough up,

but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa, that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account. so has been charged by by leaving b plus double gonna station responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with

that much on but oh sion more than that. it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now on, people would still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either be robust? egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have, what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild golf. saw that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus or celebrate thing in this run. the that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the,

from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is a given owner of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremist as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors. that has to be a completely different uh, product policy problem. if you were closely involved with the p stokes that lead to the lowest level codes between israel and the palestinians and 1993,

a quotes which ultimately failed to bring a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy in the side they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of billions of the products in administration is very weak and old. and so what i,

what i hope is the fact that the is, is randy or elliptical establishment will recognize that their ways had been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the senate side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly we need the united states, we need the european union, and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering or a solution because i think it alone is ready to spell as it is would it be incapable of an unwilling to find a common church?

are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to? i wonder what this that is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up? well i, i, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my pope to yes. so you're monitoring what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid there at t. s level both or gone down and international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and by the way, not keeping up hope. yeah, bigger like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you.

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