it is only environment every friday. the presidential elections in russia of the usual full gun conclusion, with nothing left to charm, not even the death in jail as the leading opposition to elect saying about me, whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready just sent that in moscow? wasn't a valid me such a serious threat to put in his regime that he had to be killed even be in prison when they was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field. but at the same time, quite my t and way to compress it fulfills the parts of the population. and because of that, it was important to let's see,

eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with? a government that kills its political opponents. unseen for must go. why the southern states of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years. what does a know? we done? on the right color slick of welcome to complex of excellence. it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of id may i put in once a 5th time. that'd be my food and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose actual power. but so when we are asking our cells, where was this turning point? for she seems as a decrease of michigan, mostly because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. when he told the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution,

the main think about 0 and copious present the national terms. and now she is over to the president, and after that all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22 and questioning of nevada means the same year 2020 it doesn't have much to go with democracy. it does it. these elections even mr. perkins spokesman. dimitri pest golf, tell the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because so this is one more attempt that demonstrates to the majority of the rough can populations that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the protest initiatives.

and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities as they can to influence that i think is this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports proteins. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so this election starts to no significance. it's the same time just as one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresh the legitimacy or for the all the correct oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar . it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for awhile. was he a, a threat was he didn't that's right. the edition was squares attracted to the

public who was liberal views. and you're down with the russians or of millions of people for sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of the additions was kind of a fault for this people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable . that's a criminal decide. it's not a lotion to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes comes to the dish and around put him in a case of getting i don't know, 56 given 10 percent of it man into it could means that to pretend he's not the only one who is the producer. so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention the terms of case and that doesn't include demonstrate to enter your agenda via television and the code. so shake because of use. so for the majority, we should still not connected to the to be set so. so with no,

they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nevada, me that in a prison camp in the optic circle, once he ever really i'm electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the only didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process about . so when she does participate in the year 2013, during most goes mayor's election, sky was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to put him down to some moments, so moment to the means that bus to the whole political process reduced busy. now

this is fine between the fall knee and approach him and is that sense even being can prison when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field, but at the same time quite mighty, and square to compress it for, for the parts of the population and because of that, it was important to let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla scrubbing time in germany. do you by that story of we don't know the truths maybe will not know it, but it looks like blows and bull story. and in that sense, it wasn't requested dance that she was, let's say maybe killed 90 points, maybe something else. so we have to wait for some results sofa. his team of

research true maybe is the key on the clear up some good deals and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it is possible. let's remember, is a case of st policy or in any other cases. and contin several times repeat it to your interest curry, or that's a my pets realty color oriented, or again, since people do that, but these and because of that, among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt that nobody put the keels. uh no, no, we don't have a conclusive evidence of it,

but the feeling is very strong. come on. russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by, you know, buddy to because of the majority still prefers to believe freedom main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story. yes. a lot of russians, they didn't know about the person, things that i didn't know about the stuff. now what that means is in this account on your arctic circle, but uh,

the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh uh, not to pay too much attention to to this for us. uh, you know that to keep for themselves mental the normal. um, the subsidy more old about the majority prefer is not to know anything about. uh, like, uh, uh, cuz you know, with his stay with his, uh, does so through it cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with these belief among people with the normal view suisse a democratic fused glory viper. i'm a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nova on the baker, killed anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners assured.

no, we don't have a political position in the proper sense of civil worth right now because of a high level of professions kyra's in the names of substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him and cut them. it was a, or, yeah, yes. and could be under threats of not everyone in dissidence community, but the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the leaders that are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat, i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is left in russia. and it gets trans of sorts

moral because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a more resistant than about political resistance. this people can fight as they do not want to fight for power. they don't have for literacy. they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated, by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral and the dentist way to that this civil society still here must be for a society of such which is very indifference and passive. and full of calling for ms and civil society. the society of responsible citizens who to who was the best, who was a country hor permanent horror because of this war. they demonstrated that they are

here. it was a huge step for people club for who were going to was a funeral because of the the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to a to is if last. so it was as people after a different kind of events, wolf funerals like the link flowers as the man, as a place, as of man, there we go, for political repression, such cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society of the russia, we can open, for instance, the website over then for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about criminal persecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions, a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens. but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and ready to at least to

think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about values, legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? moral or real repression works best and it progressions efficient yes for business work, but at the same time uh, this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, there was successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use. uh, some people cough, hesitating, corpus difficult for me says they can't shares of use sofa. and this actually, if a single society activities. so in that sense, russia isn't hopeless, and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were

ready for changes when gorbachev key, when government were much referred to, could the power ends is being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a sink know, must came from the very top. and the, uh, was out of changing that 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. that right now, extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that they authorize. keep adding to we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 10 to 11 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that insecure about its hold on paul and its people?

you know, it smarter bell cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism is more about him. it's high, but it's up to 2. it is the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private life of people you to want it wants to control, for instance, seaters repair, to ours. uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in license, this is orlan, well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such a strange hospitality or in space. so yeah, is there a difference, a threat?

slight denunciations from your competitor else. but nevertheless, it is still, it is still single society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives as periods. but to the space of deliberate to you for free, the may snare readings, this is through. but if you wants to do something, you can try and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the current situation. it's, it's not sales or it's not helped. is it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends? how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust of the

yes it's true, it's to the trust. it's not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer not to talk with the unknown persons. they prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress, for instance, to say preferred not to discuss political issues. this is true. but you know, it's a same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the noble lord, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in the corporation, was the trip foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there was some problems with this magazine about it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this all think uh and this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so, something like hope for the future when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has, of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cause leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes, uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology and meso searching. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. they are trying to avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say,

double thinking of a pretending the war doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to a sinking ability to box is a trained not to do it publicly, maybe the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a, a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us and sylvia time, so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives his image rational, his way to maintain power. that's put in one that war and you'll view

oh yes, she wants me. she's a man in the street or i'm sure is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war. was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta in nationalistic count, imperialistic ideas, very archive. now that bills to the, to the, to tradition, send the spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must invent. so the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some travelling this per month for it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, this is more about defense. and uh, the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you,

reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is produced, p r. o to be sold to, to, to, to, to look so mighty. so impress if uh uh, and i guess he wants to crate. i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russia for sure. and she wants to return as transferred, as he says. so this territories, she doesn't care about the baltic states freelance or, or pulled this as a lip service. in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank,

one more front. uh, she simply wants to continue. this permanent poor was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time, in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to to take the for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition of what is your brain? does nato look weak to russia to put in? um, not so weak about to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, coolly who is equal to tomato. nature is more of both a mature for the main enemy, united states of america, nathan, in europe, is kind of such a line to of uh, of nato in the ends of united states. you said last month that despite all the new,

clear se but rattling, but we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that health as a you know, so as you settled, they must understand that. so you're going to use so as a technical, no ukes could be suicidal for uh, for say, a regime for a country. uh they want to leave for, they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing, she's quite impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's presented to prevents as the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear weren't became such a lights. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed. so the domestic public,

so that it is possible. this is a danger. a british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all, russia has broken, the soviet union broke. 1 the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now? you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our leads. they're becoming like good, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a flat and in that sense they hold. this is a have enough resources to continue this war until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh,

the resources could be depleted and the next generation though, for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country, fully european security and this as an interest. so it was a west coke, cone and interest mutual interest of the russians. the west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0 this phone call account, because the services i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full. russia that's valid, like saying the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. so for protein mccray to russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. i'm very classic of thank you very much for being on complex, so thank you. thank you for having me here. the,

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