all the rest of the classify as disgusting. w series about our complex relationship with animals. the great debate, what's, you know, on youtube, dw documentary, the israel admitted killing 7 for an aid workers in gaza. every in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah, mega and head of them. the wage and refugee council, for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he think his savage was connected? in 6 months the war must be over. i hope it's over in, in a week,

really. and, and that we sped for the plug box and rough dig around says the power arising of garza now. right. so i'm, i'm the worst assault from any civilian population. you know, time a day, why was the power on the good stuff before so many was killed? yeah. mega and welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops. that's the new hope that's the so the 8 situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it. perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the him shut on board the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border crossings yet.

and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement. inside the south, that is red control was completely no except for rough. i in the south with the military troops, you mentioned rough. uh if they uh, on the slot, if they advance is rarely advised, goes ahead and rafa what would the situation be there? then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. was there my cell 5? 056 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else. and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refuge account on us. 1.4000000 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens, all the municipality of last row, where i live. these people have fled to 34,

or 5 times. most of them, they have nowhere else to go because they are not free and 2 is red from where their ancestors pain. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a coop, they don't know how they could 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's, it's, it's a horrific thing. it will be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's, and it's want to humanity to have it will enter refuge account. but even without ralph or the statistics are pretty horrendous, aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian and fast um, released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food in security. there are no quick fixes to that of the, you know, very quick ones,

except that this is now off, hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow every day that it but times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the i'm at manmade departments from a to that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a payment made by it was and made by a brocade that is right. it has some post on the in us and does sense that, that not to the large, the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october. britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously

impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the air is crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right, uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of heart on the as rarely side when i think finally the united states, red, even german, if to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as really war machine to be paid according to, to the last, a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at, or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far. that has been more trucks

coming. all the car room shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or were fix it you haitian, where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this. the odds for this, the bombs or this indiscriminate sold on the gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really accept some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on thought that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to the of a riff. it attacks on the 7th of october. you seem to be citing the western

countries which are on the one that and supplying um something on the other hand, calling for it then to the, the 530 or at least uh, a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that to view? uh yeah, yeah, they, uh it, it, they all seen that super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plumbing of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is not really bad in ukraine as we will on agree, but it's somehow honorable, what is what it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it progress. see, what i would say is that they have been for this problem thing lee, and put them in the problem to save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that

the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went not allowed access to to gossip as we stood as human at terry. and i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is red, which is a lick your intent to controlling the board, the crossings on politically with the military stop. it would never work in terms of your military access. so they knew all of this and they did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the,

the rules of what a war human is having a law of on conflict. we are searching them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told them that you must see your stuff that not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints on over time. see if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place where one apartment house 1000000000 full of comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic of impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't. yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having or sympathy with the united states. everybody and then licked the ballot paper so that there was water boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with the. so rick, pick the organizations the same thing, they must have all seen when they went to as well. and so what we all felt that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the, is radius of bindham population then, and i, i have come then those to say no, this was an operation. and guess of,

to patient. this was legitimate that it costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children concert. go go us as an keep up says it was horrific and come down about it. but, but then to, to go that and say, what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the so okay, and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on. many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a renter's casualties on october. the 7th, when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children any $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as defend this? no, no. is poppy on legitimate self defense and, and of course is right as a right of self defense. that's what on, on, on those west, the lead the pride and get on sites. it's legitimate subject that and what the us even said from, from a relatively early wall on was for, they've been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made the list visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of it's right, by the way, with ministers who have set things that that are on them. but really they said we will make basically gusta on level, but we will change casa completely. we will not let in fruit. we will not let in

electricity, we will not let in, in, in water. that's what they sent already on many, many minutes or so. how could it become a surprise when they saw what happened? you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community for 4 decades. my work has taken me to many was but i have never be confronted by anything like this. what, what was the vase that confronted you and left such a binding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that don't know, boucher need. i've also been a relate to the shot to don,

board that and make the 10s of thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don, mass of sexual it violence, massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak of. and obviously beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one, there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or, or opponent or let been on hold. the palestinians trapped inside it then stood populated area and that's the other one. i mean they, they, this has been split up and they did without escape. sadly, it's a more, inc, and it's bought meant in this smart place then in any of the place and recent

memory. and then, then lack of adequate access for you minute, terrans, to assist them. not because of lack of resources, because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places the western countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools or the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is riley policy. even without that,

you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering a to gauze, or you said, i would say to the countries like the you can us, why haven't they organize their own con, voice into gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods border. international law says you have to enable enforced release to people who are stopping. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good. lied spears raised to, to let them in or going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey, eh, is what are you going to bump this us, you take german con void. that is going with fruit and other human to them

relief that we ran. so this red monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in in syria. there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character perhaps that would be a most uh it may be. yeah, it is slow comic. uh, groups. uh yeah. one of them fledged the legions to i tied up some. yes. back to that area. the convoys go over from turkey and there is a un security resolution and enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it, the, the, the, the, the a pro se very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government and the musket spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they did. and when you asked them about this, what was the response? got to know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is the interesting to control every single cielo that goes it across the board, even from, from egypt. so, so, well, i'm so tired really, we wait where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that, i mean that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, not a single. the truck goes from egypt into directory, into gaza without its having been monitored by us. really pulses in the, in the, on the is really side of the board. uh, its uh, the re, we have uh, you should go and see its a line to come in the line to come in the queue to be

monitored and, and let it go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks. to go to uh to, to the starving children of uh, of golf site. it says it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. very good. and where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months more violence most suffering. i, i really think them, it will, it, we, we, we will not have this as short or red, but as 6 months the war must be o, but i hope it's over in, in a week, really. and, and that we are sped for the blood off and rough, but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa,

that needs on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trapped there. most people with, well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this, the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account that has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna sation responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with that much one, but oh sion more than that. it's, it's,

it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now, one people would still be living at best and tense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either being robust that egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them? do you believe those rules or what i have? what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild godsa that, that may now even be, be colonized by the set plus off. celebrate thing in this run the, that what is happening and there, and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the, from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is

a given on of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out to productive for us, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different that product. the policy problem is front. you were trying to stay involved with the p stokes that led to the oslo accords between israel and the palestinians. and in 1993, a code switch out. some of the 3 fail to bring

a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call the? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of, of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy and decide they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of civilians. uh, the pet policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is, is randy or listed establishment will recognize that their

ways had been counter productive for the future before. i hope that on the senate side there is a recognition that we need to be united thing. and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states. we need the european union and we need to go to congress and, and, and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering or a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell a serious would it be in take the burden and unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?

i want to, well this, that is on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i, i, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my pope to. yes. so you're monitoring what get or because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us on that t. s level door or gone down and international politics. oh, it's nice relations on not constructive, nor expected, nor efficient. and but what not keeping up pope. yeah, very good. like we have to meet with that. thank you so much for being on complex. i appreciate your time. thank you. the

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