tweak it a bit here, tweak it a bit there, so that may be the stupid crap that could happen. won't happen because somebody somewhere says i can make money over off of the positive aspect of this selling, whatever it is and space you from space star link is one example, right? i mean, i can leave it with this i, i spent a month in the fall at average. these people knew what satellite phones were, but the notion of what was moving in the sky was a mystery to the july part of model spots. that what magic now you have. you literally have people that are like one or 2 generations away from almost, you know, is robust poverty can now talk to anybody anywhere from the sky that does actually impact them. they get and what will happen 10 or so years from now, when the billions of people who suddenly have that mindset, say, wait a minute, you rich western people who do you want this house out there? okay, well i would say i would say what would be the add on to the okay, one, thank you. back to back into the real quick, there's

a reason why so many rockets and engines or methane power these days have been to it machines landing with nothing but nothing. power engines are harder tonight in space. they just are right. but there's a reason why, and part of the reason is mars. right. and i wonder, in terms of the amount of methane in the atmosphere there that can be harvested. and you know, the answer to the development when, when you talk about a real sustainable human civilization or human colony that, that could be potentially put there. it's something that's all the major sort of space titans talk about in whether it's jeff phases the e on last reading richard branson. and i wonder if the the, the analogous moments is not astronaut. it's are taking not landing steps sitting put on moon for the 1st time, but it's going to be when they do that on mars a great and we do have a i want to share a comment and then go to a question now to kevin baron is is a comment saying, i don't think china is in

a space race from what i've seen. they have set a schedule for doing this. it's really a matter of does the u. s. or anyone else want to react to that schedule? and here's our question. what could be the best and the worst outcomes of china being the 1st country to explore the far side of the movement? we touched on that a little bit, but let's address that. keith over to you. well oh yeah, the 1st one is the land there, but we've had orators around the backside of the moon for half a century. and if we were, if we, the west wanted to land something there, it's a matter of just spending the money in engineering and, and quite frankly, unless the chinese armed forces to shoot our satellite down or something like that . you know, again, it's like in article, i mean you can pretty much, it's a common heritage of human kind. you can go there or do stuff. i can't travel of why they would claim the backside of the motor. don't you interrupted sort of behavior when they got stuck in on the problems back on earth that they're using

the space program to drive. but you know, it's one thing to use space technology to better your, your country. it's another to just waste money on something that isn't deal politically important and the changes are if nothing, geo politically and long term mind. so if they're going to go get the far side of the moon and make it chinese, there's gotta be a darn good reason why they're not spending those resources somewhere else. so i'm not worried david measured outward. okay, i'm going to share a quick comment on g w. c has a quick question. maybe there's a quick answer. what's the cost of all this? how do we know? like, yeah, i know you mentioned that secrecy, you know, uh, the chinese budget, but the, how much would this thing, are we talking trillions or, i mean, yeah, i don't know who can answer this question, but it's a good question. uh, david,

maybe you have a better idea cuz i know you've been for a lot davis, do you have a sense at all or is it just all secret is like you so i do for the living since i, i wish i have, i might, but i know some firm in terms of that exact numbers. i mean, you know, these are just official numbers that were, that were drummed up. but i mean, right now, this is the chinese based program is less than, than what, what the americans are spending, you know, with, with regard to these, they're, they're, they're public dollars each. and i, i think a lot of this has to do with optics. right. in many ways, but there is questions about manufacturing and resource extraction, power generation and implications of quantum computing and hypersonic, some satellites, dealing weaponry and direct energy weapons in, you know, and partridge in a pear tree. but, you know, i think, but when we, when we talk about this it's, it's difficult really to get a read on this and, and as such, that's why so many of what would so much of what we're talking about in the conjecture that you'll see yours is based on guesswork, educated guess we're been on the last guesswork. got it and there's a, there's another great question that we're going to pull up onto

a slate so that everyone can read that. let's stand by and see if you guys can pull it up. it's, there we go. so there is no way to verify that china landed on the side of the moon facing away from the earth. is there? i think that's a question for a keep like is, how can we scientifically prove this a guess they could show i generated videos saying, look, this happened, but how, how does the rest of the world know when something like this has happened so far away? or how do i know they were or not all, hey i, you know, and i'm not a year of, here's your move. okay. and we're on the, you're and i can't see on the other side. so there's a satellite that they put her in orbit around like that, and the signals have come back. we can see them anywhere in august. it has a dish, pointed out that i'm sure and ask that everybody else was listening. so it's hard to, in order to face the landing on the far side of the moon,

you have to do all but that to face the signal coming back. so if you're like 90 percent of the way of landing of the par side of the moon to bake, it went up to the real quick. and 2nd of all, uh, you know, there is a cold war to people who don't think derrick has flat. all that nonsense. you're going to have to cool factor the, the conspiracy monitoring factor, everything. but when you see the great nations of the world all being interested in this, china, i mean china, i can just tell it's 1000000000 people look, india wants to go there to, there's another 1000000000, but there may be a few millions. i think this is a hoax. but they're probably billions, they would say this is great, i want to go. i'm not worried about that either. that's a great answer. okay, so now i want to ask, i want to throw in the question of my own that you guys have sort of danced around, which is the sort of the difference between the, the, the west or the u. s. and china. i think it, we tend to talk about it in us in china terms, but the chinese it's, it's in that there are tearing country, which means that they have 5 year plans. they have long term plans. and this is all

state driven. whereas in the us with the nasa space program, there is a little bit of a commercial element to this. but you know, you have a president, a new president come in, they decide to slash the budgets. but on the other hand, um some people will argue that the us is more innovative. i would love for the 2 of us to sort of talk about the oh, i don't even know if the word cultural differences is the right word. but the differences in, in, in the systems and the approach and whether there is one that is clearly better than the other. david over to you, or, i think, i think that's, this are the ultimate question. i mean, i think in terms of, you know, what, what's better for society, but that's, that's a different question than that. sure. what's going to wind out in terms of power influence? i think you probably can agree on what the, the, the answers to the former but in terms of um, in terms of the advantages of the chinese system happening, then we'll deal with 2 and 4 year election cycles. which in which, changing priorities radically shift funding towards towards programs. i mean i,

that's something that the us program and frankly, western programs not just with regard to space, but if you just think about any kind of long term planning, give you to, to establish 510 year 15 year plans. so it's, it's not all that enforceable when obama wasn't in office. he talked about going to the moon and that he was 2030 that's, i mean, that's a different administration. that's a different congress, that's a different electorate. you know, clearly china has as long as they, they maintain the continuity of leadership, which is not a foregone conclusion. i would say, you know, that, that could change as well. we, we don't know and, and that kind of change certainly be more work more radical. and stabilizing one with the sink, but, but, you know, china has its own problems. they have population demographics, issues that they have cont, can, with, obviously they have, you know, you can amik headwinds that are posing real problems, particularly in real estate markets. and so, you know, when you think about all of this co listing in terms of what makes for best long

term strategy, certainly china, it has a way of setting it's goals and then meeting them. but in terms of the where with all that system and the innovation that's derived in, in private market single, while it still comes out of the silicon valley of the world. and you know, these, these little clusters centers, not necessarily only in, in northern california, but, but places where you have freedom to move it. freedom exchanges of ideas. one last point i'll say on that is that the, the difference maker comes when you have a technology that with flyers of government buying. so, you know, talk of the developments of a large hadron collider in, in, in china. that is larger than that inserting to kind of do the kind of level of particle physics that they just can't do in switzerland because of this year. it because it's not, not quite as big like that is the type of thing that can draw people in ways and draw the is from the intellectual capital into place to kind of do the cutting edge

that science. and so i do wonder about that sort of long term, if, if there's not a willingness to invest in, in major science projects in the, in the united states, particularly at a government. well, because some of these things are just right, just too expensive for me. and say, oh jeff space those and you on mosque it will take you to a certain level. but to kind of get to that next paradigm, shifting level of technology shift, you don't need to go from the buying. yeah. over to you key on that difference. i agree to 100 percent. so i was what he just said. i know i gotta tell you just i've been watching nasa for, you know, almost 30 years now. and after we lost columbia, i wrote a book with my late co author. frank sits and who, by the way, was buried in space on myspace. x rocket. and we had this big throw up in the air a moment it in america where we do, we go back to the moon. we went. what do we do?

and out of this came the we, you know, let's go to the moon, we're tired, the space station space shuttles, you know, finished in space aided. and i was like 20 feet in front of a bush at nasa headquarters in the ship and stuff. and then a few weeks later progress that this is great. i really was on board. and then they went off with some my little 1000 flowers blue. we have it, and they would say shaun o'keefe said, the administrator, we haven't done this a decade or 2. we need to really just embrace the silicon valley, use the entrepreneurs every but so they went through this, they had some ideas and then a bama came in the bush to, excuse me. the 2nd half of the bush administration came in doing that a straight or totally changed, came up with the rock. it didn't more than the bottom hopes came. it was not, we've been there, done that. and then the trump people came in and they loved it. if you could just put up with a nonsense a good, you know, just the rhetoric that went but, and it's literally my hands are waving around your lot, but it's like a tennis match with the budgets. how do you plan? you can do 5 year plans at nasa, you get to,

to your plans. and right now they have 3 budgets. they're working on simultaneously . so i associate myself completely with my colleagues. thing. they're got the ability to plan, which is what china has done. and if you look at how they do things, it's much follicle. they watched us, they've watched the russians, europeans and the japanese, their space craft kind of look russian. but they're under the hood, they're not. and you see evidence of what happens. we can have command economy a, an infrastructure that is driven by policies. course the downside is what goes with that. and so right is one or the other. and then i'll throw on the private sector where they've got billions and they can say, i'm going to march right right here. okay, so, so, so guys, we're, we are running out of time. so i'm going to do a fire like sort of fire round of questions very quickly. david, who do you think guys good? which country is going to have a base on the moon 1st? oh boy, we have like 60 junction so. so,

so name one and get one reason one sentence. yeah, yeah i, i think china has the edge that this all right. i mean, that could change. okay. keith, over to you, is it also china for you as well? it might be, and as i said on cnn one time, they said, you know, we're trying to get there 1st. yeah. but then we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll come land next to roll down our windows like, how you all, where do you want us to park a big lander. somebody is going to be almost like they had tried to just did something 50 years ago. that's awesome. all right, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. keep going and david are, you is due for sharing your insights and experiences and to our viewers, especially those who sent in their questions. thank you for your active participation and for making ask the w a platform for discussion. and don't forget you can get all the latest news and information around at the clock on our website . that's d w dot com. thanks for joining us. thanks guys. thank you.

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a week because tina clermont the past for the special trim johnny that she does what she believes has often been neglected in recent years. talking instead of rounding or attacking each other. democratic it says this to democracy is all about dialogue. things are supposed to get better, especially when you have the feeling that there is a need for improvement. and the one that we have our debates on the tree and where people can't get away well and don't really have anything to do. perfect. it's actually the perfect place to start talking and look on the people of place. my invite to to take part. what do you think? beats the slogan? of course everything is agreed on with the city each time a different topic. take center stage. since the side of the project, christina clement and her team has made a remarkable observation. yeah, that's perfect. we have noticed that people have all kinds of opinions, some of which have very little to do with their experiences. i will then for my, for example, they say everything is bad, but personally they're fine. so the question is, if everything is so bad,

why are they doing so well? the honda has the hottest child, the physics student invites people to join the but a high frustration tolerance is definitely needed. but sometimes he's lucky and social, the team members talk to around $300.00 people every month. today, it's about the you, the only a few weeks left until like you clean elections. vast is of an enormous shift to the right quickly around the middle of the page on immigration. but the, the stream might say, oh my goodness, so then everything will get better on the, let's say everyone should be allowed in 10, it will also get better. what would your suggestion be? those were eligible could simply work and the others have to be states in 1st. in defiance of of office. yes, i think you have to find a middle ground committee to keep to me during the term with your baby. you don't expect a discussion about your public 6 just because it was great just talking to people are just really divided into 6th. and do you have to do something about it?

if you want to preserve a democracy, i can do a study shows just how important that is in germany's old federal stays around half of the population out the set is fine democracy, the new federal states, the figure is as high as 2 sides. one reason many would like to have most say in politics set in after 3 and a half hours, the team is done. they've spoken with almost 20 people today. it's back to the office. christina clue my once again realized that political leads and population have grown apart and visit us as soon as they have and mama, c as a concept as a living together as it was originally planned after the nazi era that was actually left to elected representatives from states, i didn't even, we've even realize, oh no, they don't do everything the way we want them to look over. yes, one of the population needs to be much more involved. but how do to get them involved?

we need placement and transfer to the book in east germany that we meet benyamin be in people's the ones people to talk to each other again. but it's more difficult here in the countryside than in the city attractive landscapes. but there is no bay creek, no pulse stuff. there's no pump the miles around. that's why the 38 neighboring villages have thought of something a traveling pumps pump. why is it important to have a hub? i think that's right because you can make up there and talk to each other on the properties here, a launch and the distance is alone. so you dental to magically see each other. people are still working. well, you only see them if you visit them in the golf. i still have not only me today the traveling puppets in the village of shuffled the location normally only opens for private events. then you'll have a nice job that takes care of the food and off i'm. there are many pods or community rooms in the villages that are no longer in use. so we came up with the

idea of a traveling pub next night because almost 40 people have turned up. many of them grew up into full much of the in east germany, a socialist unity potty rule that for decades. as an individual, you have no political voice to ask for me, that's a g d r burden. it has to be learnt again that you can make a difference. that is new for many people, the noise in the summers, but it's always important to be talking right for good cooperation and also to realize that you can influence somebody being able to influence something is one thing, arguing peacefully with each other, is another. for example, in the village pub, over a bit, you learn to respect other opinions and to compromise these, the auto, these public places like pubs or places of negotiation. a social negotiation were information was exchanged and social standards were formed that we no longer have

in the last federal election 3 years ago, one and 4 people. he voted for the a, f. d. a potty which is in pods considered extremely ride. we many of worried that there will be a lot more votes for them, and this is your opinion and local elections. so i guess my, as i did when i found a candidates for the local elections, national news. so i was surprised at the a f d is the party with the most candidates. come do that and go out and that's also an issue in our village. i was glad i decided to run to the local counselor because otherwise wouldn't be a if he would have been on the list in a complicated world, some defiance from the phone, from attractive, according to studies around half of the population does trust the german pa given it's even was concerning the media landscape. 2 sides have little or no trust in it . ahead of the u. p. and elections, 2 sides have also lost faith. and this,

you can commission, citizens are becoming increasingly alienated from democratic institutions. this is why if the conspiracy narrative go down, well with many people he in pub book reimbursement. essentially we don't want to let this thing runs. i thought we have to warn people because strictly speaking, this body has nothing to offer people by, you know, even if they don't realize that yet. so do you meet? so people are already in business for at least from the country signed. we're going back to the city to munich. there is a been shut out, the purposeful meeting with school children, the voters of tomorrow. she's also concerned about john, the nice democracy and model, they actually look at current trends and society, including and politics. how it is more important than ever talk to school children about democracy to about our constitution. what was the quote about the values that

make up our society is almost my, who teaches the german and french is involved in an association quote, seen by they organized democracy workshops at schools. everything revolves around the mother of germany's democracy, the basic law. it's constitution, it says 89 or you in class 9 a just as and you can come in slowly thomas wise to i as well. 5 and one half richmond color. welcome to our democracy workshop. i'm really looking forward to your ideas and then these ideas, nita kicks down the students, collect fast associations with a gentleman constitution. okay. and what are the most important ones on the right here, the same rules, but everyone. this is most important code of law fundamental right? on the 3, what are you doing? my own? i know this is every phone i lose basic rights. never had anything to do without

basic law. so i'm looking forward to the workshop today. well, of course you often hear about it, but i don't really know much about it. actually, almost nothing to, to do this without it. i'm sure that students grow up in a democratic form of government that's old and are sometimes no longer aware of what a garbage democracy actually is. place of us one opportunities with offers, but also protection and security pieces about one way to hide that is set to change today. when abstract rules turn into concrete examples. the pupils create their own personal version of the constitution and then write it down in their own words. right now that talking about freedom of expression stuff you don't mind. i'm allowed to express and defend any opinion, both privately and publicly, even if i'm criticized by others without being punished for it. i definitely think this law is very important because the soonest freedom of expression is restricted

and you can no longer seeing what you really want to say. it's no longer a democracy. and a few open questions about the basic level. also clarified because that's the basic no or so apply to apps like instagram of wholesale. of course it does on the time of that, but the terms of use the nothing's been doing them in front of them. yeah, exactly. that's why they don't apply to the ally. then once i, fortunately the basic little one fundamental rights apply everywhere. except you may be sometimes at home indefinitely. know honestly in the morning, for example, when i don't want to put on the jacket because i'm just not cold outside. i don't want to listen to my mom's opinion, but i don't really have a choice of us. so do you put the ticket on with protested tests and what about social media? what is allowed, and what is important for young people who spend a lot of time to get them?

the ones i think that's about the fundamental right. that's the thing is right to one's own image. and before i wrote down, i asked before i upload someone's photo, it's a target. i think that's very important because nowadays everyone has a mobile phone that can take the most or someone that can even go on the internet. and that's why you should always ask before you upload something so that that's it . thank you for your sentences. for your basic rights in your own words and blossom . since the organization was founded over 700 people have looked into germany's basic law and the many schools obtain the material online themselves on tone. ease of a shock of a lot is satisfied with the day they have after i've had the workshop. when a really great today, the pupils participated incredibly well and immediately share their thoughts is good, tired. the then you mean be just you so much about the law and christina clue might give democracy new drive with the walk said because they know

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