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but all the government and the people staying in from the same hampshire. the hello, i'm told me on why the boy it's good to have you with us. south africans are waiting to see what the next government will look like. following last week's elections, but one thing is set and the ruling african national congress has lost its majority . for the 1st time since the end of apartheid, the party will need to make a deal with the opposition to form a coalition government. the result was a major blow for the and see since 1994 it secured more than 60 percent of the vote in every election except one. and that's until this year, when it could only gain 40 percent and it appears the public dissatisfaction was not just with the and c, but with the political process as

a whole voter turnout has been on a gradual decline in recent years. but this year, so the lowest ever in south africa's 30 year democratic history. but president 0 rama pulls that insist there's much to celebrate. people have given effects to the tardy and call that was that has it resonated across generations that the people shout, govern. busy people have spoken whether we like it or not. they have spoken. and so what are the options for the amc? the obvious choices the team up with the largest opposition party, the democratic alliance between them, they would have enough seats and parliament to govern despite the differences of the, all the options would be the economic freedom finds us and the i'm comfortable with these way potty o m k party. it's led by a former president, jacob summa, that was almost potty has demanded ramos step down as a condition for

a coalition. a sign of the personal animosity between the 2 and the half of pledge to nationalized south africa as important gold and platinum mines, as well as the central bank, which some experts say could be damaging for south africa's image with foreign investors. so clearly not an easy task ahead for the n c and president drama plaza . but as the political parties negotiate, let's get the view from south africa and south africans. actually we have kimberly and local show in johannesburg. and we have, let's see, by sydney woke up in polo quite a good to have the 2 of you on the program. welcome to dw news africa. let's start with you. let's see what you voted fs. they cannot make freedom fighters. why? why did you a s m st, you will search for the me and then 3 teams, 2 of us. i look, yeah, i had

a couple of things that i based my choice on. so the 1st was the money system. so the election money says to, according to me was whether it be fixed, you know, you do anything um, you know, the engine process is of making sure that it reflects the day we should send views of the paper on the ground. there was a lot of consultations we defended and sick task or business i t being business being in touch in mand or the success of the society and making sure that the manifesto is as well informed as possible. uh yeah, well welcome to more of the issues in a bed, but i just wanted to have a brief summary kimberly you voted for 3 different parties of different levels. so how come as well just to say so that the original one that i voted for was a rise on c, and it's quite a new party. it's also got

a lot of younger people in it and i felt like it would be great to kind of give them a chance to, you know, get an idea of what it is like to run a country. but obviously at a lower level, which would also give them a lot of experience. and then my national party, i voted for u d. m. i feel like i really liked to be a manifesto as a, as voted for them the last time as well. and as much as the not as popular to everyone, i'd rather go with one that speaks to my heart and then a provincially. i went for action, se, mainly because the home in my show for example, when he was given certain duties to fulfill. he really did fulfill them and his time was just cut short, but i really believe that they could make a difference as well. right. so yeah, i thought a bit of a variety is good for that. okay, going back to you, let's see by you when you were choosing who to go to vote for and and,

and going to the pilot box. what were the main issues that influenced you about what, what was top of your mind? yeah, well basically the 1st under the category of 6 gigabyte and, you know, we're looking at info aspect in terms of fab accessibility in terms of the roads. are we looking at healthcare? we looking at, um, lend, instead of, you know, if they put it in atlanta for a variety of purposes, which cutting these, the very expensive thing to, uh, to acquire, you know, looking at what we can get access to screwed and provide education. so all those type of things with key to my decision making, because i've said i should vote for an organization that i feel at this point in time is capable of addressing those issues in the most effective way. right? i'm looking at south africa as a whole. b amc, the national congress has been the dominant party for most of both your lives and

now they've suffered major losses. kimberly, how do you feel about the prospect of a multi party government to be honest, i would rather prefer that. i feel like i, i, i feel like i don't have an issue with it. i wouldn't want necessarily, and i don't want to bash anybody, but i wouldn't necessarily want in see to run on its own again. but i also wouldn't really want to run on its own. so i think for example, been having a clinician, i think would be good and it would challenge both parties too. rather instead of constantly calling outs each other's faults, then to rather work together towards making an actual change in the country. i think they both have the strengths and weaknesses and they could work together for the bit of the country. that's just interesting points. uh less about what do you think this? all right, we're not going to to, to find alonza yet, but in terms of

a government. but what do you think this development says about the state of democracy in south africa? or when we are looking at democracy at play and, you know, to each see pretend shadow, you know, and put it on a subject it to just one organization each. yeah. and you know, so people have good now the liberty to choose who they think and believe that the present that they have us and wishes well. and then also this also bring together in, you know, a lot of the expertise and knowledge and other than only looking for answers from one group of people. you know, it could take one of you said in view of 6 fifty's. and so, and that would come together and make sure that maybe you say poor of knowledge and expertise that might possibly take a country for investment and what it is you want to address this. whichever government comes in unless you buff, and you want to give them one point,

the top of your list that they should address immediately. what, what would you want them to do for you? um, well it would be the, the issue of the land let, let us make lend accessible for you closed um, reduce the revision and use because we blended then comes a lot of things, you know, a lot of opportunity to satirize is people can open their businesses to sustain themselves, you know, people and use it for actually kind of, you know, people can use it for processing them and yeah, now they'd be access to all the other things. so i think that the main issue would be and then your next completion of the end. okay, kimberly will finish up with you what, what would you be top of your list? a man with this much easy use development and use unemployment because they use all going to run the country eventually. and we really need some, you know,

we need proof of citizens of the countries who are also in a good social, economic standing in order for them to be productive people within the country. so for me, it's the use. they are number one, top of my list, and that's a great point to stop the world. thank you very much. kimberly in control when janice, beg, unless the bummer go back in public line is great to have you. it's been good to have you on the program. the irregular migration to europe is on the rise, and the e. u is attempting to bring down the numbers by quoting some of the countries where migrants travel from all travel through the one routes that's grown popular is what's known as the weston african route and more attain yeah. is one of its trends at hubs. the government that signed a deal with 210000000 euros with the you to manage the flow. we have a special report from the more retaining and city of not able a transit point for thousands who set out on this hazardous journey. la

la, grew up in senegal and in more atanya where she has long dreamed of a better life. by the time she was 30, she'd saved enough to pay for a p rogue to take her from the capital, knew watch shot to spain's canary islands and future in the u. and it's hard for her to recount the ordeal she suffered. so they were all sorts of nationalities. molly and kim rooney inside the syrians, mauritania and senegalese, and the police himself came to take us to the beach. the big boat to take you to europe is waiting out of the small boat to come to pick you up and take 20 people on board. 20 people 20 people not everyone to get on because there were so many of us one for more than 100 or so. if you define only 80,

we're lucky enough to get on. i've seen people almost went mad. sometimes people thought with each other with the captain's, it have big knives to threaten you and tell you to shut up or they'll throw you on the beach to show my before and they're not kidding. and like i put them on the ground to one us, which is a single issue. we just add up last, you know, got a new one but, but it wasn't to be after 4 days at sea drifting without few. they ended up on a beach in northern mauritania. for nationals will be deported, but law as a martini and was simply released the most of those you provided me. i haven't been able to honestly, the, since i got back because you just say when i sleep peace, i feel like i'm still in the boat. that was rocking and i see my segment is fed even when i closed my eyes like this. i feel i'm swimming and that's the best. the crossing she attempted is one of the most dangerous migratory roots in the world. i

. li knows all too well. he's a fisherman who has seen the hopeful and the desperate taking their leave by night . 50 migrants, he says cramming themselves into a fishing boat designed for a crew of 6. and the sea knows little mercy. i gotta get it for someone sent me these file to the best on the dead passed to because of these a corpse is because they've got a game look in 15 days. is it likely the baby here? so if in my such a powerful image, nobody boost port is full of per rogues. traditional fishing boats that the human traffickers have made into their business model. one smuggler wants to buy

a per road for his next departure and degrees to tell us about the authorities and the restrictions he too, wants to conceal his identity. the 1st one, there is a police. the 2nd is the coast guard comfortable that it's hard to get out here legally. what do you see fit into this? look at that kind of girl there, but from papa followed by a level 5. so if that's a big deal. so it's just a frustrating, you know, you can go down to the people in it, you side of it, they'll click, i'm just injected. critical out for this kind of, for the control is to see if they're willing associated with or for something else like people to visit. we have 4 people give to the mohammed arrived here 2 months ago. he is a welder by trade and has one aim to reach europe. as a day labour he earns the equivalent of 10 year was a day which he spends on food, water, and somewhere to live. god bless you,

i wish the ideas i've seen the people here with your ballpark. you're not going to blow. we're looking for work your own grandma and grandpa. it's not an easy this morning and nights we come on, what are we done done? i mean it, 2 months i work anyway at your job, i far to for la la to despite everything she has suffered and the huge sums of money she has spent, she is still determined. she tells us that however horrible her memories are of being at sea, she would do it all again to get to europe, where she hopes to earn a living. in this city of 840000 inhabitants, more than 30000 r like lala and mohammed waiting to leave. but many find themselves trapped for months, even years saving what little they earn to be able to afford a boat to europe. must speak now to house on old,

democratize research and consultant, and they also have the forthcoming book after the border, externalization, migration, race and labor in mauritania. how soon is good to have you on the program? welcome to dw his africa. now, north african countries have been the main exit points for migrants going to europe . so can give us some context as to why or how west african countries like more. it's amy, i have become major hubs as well. uh thanks for inviting me to be here and i guess uh the context goes back to 2006 when uh for mars here at least archers increased um quite significantly. um from the west docking coast to the canary islands. upwards of 32000. the people arrived on the items over the course of the year,

and as a result of those arrivals, there was an as a slew measures both militarized security measures um on the part of european states and spain in particular the european union. in addition to more a soft, uh, developmental measures like jobs at origin, programs and youth employment programs. um all with the aim of preventing people from leaving the coasts of west africa to your um they have had various degrees of success over the years. but of the recent arrivals over the last couple of months and the latter half of 2023. in particular as they indicate that there is a south of us a little bit who would rise success and the prevention of those

departures from uh west oregon. right on entertain you and just clarifying some of these people uh, both mauritania and, and people coming from other other countries as well using words and you as a, as a rouge. yeah, that's correct. primarily people using martini as a ruth. and so you're saying the best deal between you, they do you and more attain, you will not achieve it's a and yes, in the immediate term, i think it might succeed in preventing departures. maritime departure. so from the coast of martini uh, to the canary islands. boss, i think the broader aim of preventing so called irregular arrivals in europe will not be achieved by this deal. i think people will continue to migrate through

on authorized channels uh, most likely through the border post between uh the rocking westerns are um, uh, mauritania. um, travel overland, um and uh, best routes will disperse in response to these kinds of deals. and i'm saying this just bit on the basis of loss has happened in the region since 2006. when of i mentioned the initiative to kind of externalize migration controls, to montana, to other countries in the region was initiated and that's on this, but you would to still pursue this. um this plan as, as it were to, to cut down migration numbers is a better way. it can collaborate with countries like mice and yet achieving this

and yeah, i think so, i think the 1st is the boss, the increasing the scope for the legal migration into european territory. and this is something that is promised within the deal. so there is one aspect of it bass uh, dollars for a increase. and i think both students, uh, student visas for montana and national was in addition to that, i think so if you're migrations, gains the boss given that as we said earlier, it's primarily not martini national. so we're trying to get from morrison you to your um, i'm not convinced as to how effective that particular measure will be because it's essentially promising a certain i'm very limited. it must be said degree of that mobility for martini national. so you're an exchange for

a non montane and migrant smoking to be in montana being leased on caps where they are. so i think boss me increasing the scope for legal migration. and of course, the scope for um, applying for asylum for uh, internet protection across the you not just in spain, was reduce the number of people migrating uh through any old channels. that's been a long argued and migration studies. scholarship bought a restriction and visas and avenues to migrate legally. um increases others have the uh, cost, financial and human cost of, um, the journey to your um rather than stopping them. and then also for those who do make us and that has the kind of traverse consequence of preventing them from going

home because it will be that much difficult to come back. so if it were the case that it were possible to migrate legally, there would be less of an incentive to stay in your in context or any destination context once uh, when i arrived at some old time, we'll have to leave it that. so now, but thank you very much for your insights. i think it really was running the nigeria has a new national, and some of the old one brought back present bullet to nibble signed into law. it's a mock his 1st year in office, but with the countries pressing economic and security challenges, was this what nigerians really needed at this point? dw supplies sugar has been finding out

mm hm. major ss, post independence and same for these kids. it's a new tune. they'll have to then i liked it. so i mean mixed with the motion for 90 of you that's. it's just the only thing i can think about. i just know that and i do. yeah, we don't want that at that 90 era we here will be was dropped by imagery. government in 1978 was replaced with a rice or compact troops. the surprise switch back to the old at them has left many line jerry is outraged. the see president latino bush should be working to fix the real issues affecting manger as today that the cost of living crises and rump aren't in security. i think i what do government is really just the clock. get those type of bridges on the default, and i do have to keep busy talking about i feel good about what's going on. what

that means that that person wants to change that on stage and that's not. and so it said there were to me, everybody in this country is about to leave it on below. they do about the fund. i think that is what the government you're looking to buy to ensure that the various people suffering the speed of the change has also come in for criticism. mm hm. rushed to probably a made so we need to console. taishan. see critics, the aqua send about the wida implication a little bit, but actually probably in discussions government does not provide pressure now, did not create public engagement and support and death for even though it's not law the as not kind of utilized video, new consciousness on much money isn't the new and same school for unity and brought the who maybe to new was top priority, but many named jerry i was wanting to focus on solving the country's economy was

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