in the 2 countries i money comes mckinnon. i will be back at the top of the hour with more international headlines in the meantime. thanks so much for watching. dw, [000:00:00;00] the shannon with winning offer is available and has never been sent to the use all to bind deforestation from the supply chains of its companies is

a frustrating trade partners abroad. just take indonesia, which has valuable minerals for use in tech like batteries and computer chips. it says the regulation is humming, it's small farms. dispatch comes as the 2 of the rushing out to free trade deal. so does the you back down and it's environmental principles or put risk, it's relationship with indonesia and potentially cut off of vital supply chain. i spoke with indonesia as a master to germany, asking him if the close to ceiling a deal for us is in general. uh, the largest uh element which is uh timber and from iowa, i think we are confident it is not a big problem. so i think uh all in all the question for us is that you ready? is you ready? because you will be asking, are you ready to abide by the entity for a station? we are always we are ready because it has to be the question,

is that the will you implement u d r without discriminations? for instance, if you do the boys ok fumble, you buy model is the only for you the oil with stringent certifications. reps it and you know, certifications. i saw i have been in europe. no certifications with e file or that has received billions and billions of utilize a subsidy. are they willing to be a you know, putting a stringent requirements? so we already you said in the tweet. europe's mature forrest a dying and you lost 2200000 hectares. of forest, but he didn't know much of protest from those who scream about deforestation in the global south. why? so do you think that europe has been hypocritical on this? absolutely, absolutely. um, exactly, that is my question is you ready?

in the, in the u. d. r, for instance, we've done a survey with professor from good thing on university, and in addition, university with the mother. idols, 27 members that only half knows the 3 did we sign in 2013 members days. don't really either. you know, i want to be blunt seal the, they don't, they don't, they're not willing or they're not able to promote the product. so this is a legally binding 3 the menu. okay, ready? 5 the all members of parliament and he verified by our problem. and so is a very strong, stronger than to u d r. and yet a rustle is no commitment to implement what is already agreed. so then the question is always from my side, where does your fed treatment and are you ready? look at it from the use position, i guess they're going to say, if we say we want, you know, environmental standards in this getting and yet let big financial institutions

invest in companies that are coming out, deforestation, then that is going to be a massive point of hypocrisy for the use, so they have to do something. yes, i small whole this won't be affected by this at all. everything will be fine. as long as the, the you implements what has been agreed fully false. because the problem is with this model holders, the big companies, the, the big investment issue that we mentioned, they are sensitive to public image, right? that's sensitive to criticism that they have to attach way and you. so they're the one who originally have the drive. was this drive to become good in the system level? the problem with this model harder is that we have, 1st of all, around 41 percent of the 16000000 heck federal fund miles and is an old and by small orders. small me in half. heck are up to 3 or 4 actors and they might not

have the land title. so what was going to happen is that because of desegregation system that you put on the d r. so the big companies, they said, well okay, i'm sorry, small farmers, i'm not going to take your products or i want to be sure this coming from mile and property. and um, you know, i'm sorry about you. it's not my problem because i went to sell to do you, what's your, what's your message to the new one. but the message is very simple, that your policy is not well thought out. your, your aim is to create a free, deep water stations. but you are actually killing the small holders who have nothing to do in default as fissions. ok, so if you really want to be serious in this fight against you for the service, we also have a serious you can engage us much more robustly

. okay. want to move on to to nickel. yes. specifically, nickel indonesia is expected to meet 2 sides of the world's needs for nickel, which is obviously like the manufacturer of yeah. batteries for like a vehicle. yeah. a mobile phones and so on. but there are complexities. so the nickel price has come down quite a bit in the last 18 months. it's a very common intensive industry and then know all of the nickel being produced is yet battery. great. so what is in the news you're doing to meet these challenges? so 1st of all, i think is to get a better smelting system. the furnace is better. okay. and in that, in that regard, we are inviting for investors. so now we have a chinese already in indonesia, we have canadians, we have for korea and we have for japanese and i've been working very hard to bring join in investors on this kind of

a project. so brussels should have help us instead of attacking us. because in the context of a f d between brussel and sheila, they are willing to allow too late to process in ship it. so again is the double standard. when she led the willing to process the materials and julie, they were willing to allow investment in training. but the initial is definitely a tech, but the world trade organization ruled in a huge favor. so just to just to dig into the start of the legs, of course the end and these are imposed a band on the exportation vehicle or so that you could support these smelting industries. and so why do i arrange an easy, all right? but the says that that's on fast and the world trade organization rude in its favor . so what is the way to settle this dispute as time when appeals to just not being processed? yeah, number one,

the question of fair that they are claiming our data shows that we never actually explore it to you. that is a shipment from indonesia to one in your country in one airport. but the information that i receive for this is a part of the collect nicko from africa. you might want to in the future. but this this, this, this, this nichol that came from indonesia sitting in one year of input to go and make the change. so the question is, what is your you actually want the k one's to secure a strategic mentor? exactly. so i didn't even just read the book with us instead of you know, con, because even push the button. no, we open the opportunity for you to come and invest in indonesia, you know, as what the chinese gallery and japanese canadians,

the french. what's the difference in the french and brussel? it's the same. so in reality, french investment, maybe you hope to have a 2 german companies investing the visa so you know what's, what's the, what's the, what's the method? and if you have a concern about nicole, it's not a green enough to come and assist us. we are open for your assistance, be open for you. discussions if, if you want to be part of the discussion that this includes save non calling alice take. uh, you know, uh does this uh, you know, extend your hand this way. you say that he was behaving in a, as in a colonial lising manner. it's, uh, it's not going at least let me doesn't, but at least cuz i wanna, i wanna dig more into what you're saying about the industrial. was it trade? imperialism? yeah. how does into these a balance it's trade relations and the past conflict of interest between the us in you get china? yeah,

i think 1st i would like to address the number of the trade. basically trade with china is increasing because we have the, the, we china. now we are not increasingly heavy and more trading with the us because we sign f, we sign it as a partnership. so what is press them? if, if they say we're not open, we open to the us. we have uh open relations with australia with the west and countries we try not to band with we thought korea. so i think coming back to my thesis, is you ready with the in trip? but they do you d r, where the nickel, so that is the questions that we want to post. okay, so i'm in, denise is economy has consistently performed well, you know, like, how long have you managed to achieve that and avoid the trap that some countries are falling into cold?

the results cost, you know, it's not just a matter of having lots of resources, therefore you become a develop the economy, but rather it's how you manage them. so how is into these, you manage to do that? um, digital economy is one of the. so if you look at the size of you to be to that economy, they have the beacon, they have nothing to do at all with research that's of us is the 5 area media is the largest of uh, our digital economy, e commerce. uh van dyke. okay, and then also um, hotels, services and then uh for delivery. very simple, but we are to enter it into a meeting people. so the delivery of business is very, very big, especially during the bundle make. and the 2nd thing is the age. we have a 48 years old, 79 years old, and it means domestic consumption is quite high. and we have

a very good control the invitations of course, prudence in, in the state budget. and declining all the unemployment and coming of the investment and the investment that com is not necessarily the sauce, but also manufacturing as well. okay, i just want to end on, on one thing. quite simply, what is your message to or left shots as i'm positive germany, if you can tell him one thing about what he should do to work with indonesia, what is your request, what you're asking him, the bus and the discussions with the you to fitness, the f d over to you as soon as possible. and of course, the effect will be bringing more germany industrious in indonesia, we even prepare german industrial parks. in indonesia we have red carpet to many industrious german tories to my colleagues. in addition,

we have a very long tradition of relation with the news and germany. not very many people know that. but the 1st european who came to the show was not dodge hulu or it was not the spanish. it was a german adopters. 500 years ago. so i will say that we have a very long relations and is a very positive relation because it is not colored by colonialism. so, you know, in germany it has a very positive vibes innovation. so you're looking forward to the next $500.00. yes, absolutely. i thank you very much for taking the time to talk to you. you're welcome . you're welcome. the in good shape. ready ready and 9 times

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