of air, besides the sea food charges not. well, let's go through. so when it comes to sustain dependency information, trend, texas on d. w, travel, you can have it wherever you, what's your opinion, feel free to write your thoughts and the comments. this is deed of news, africa coming up on the program. south africa's elections have not yet, but the new government, but can the process so far be seen as a win for democracy. as the ruling african national congress reaches out to the opposition in the hopes of forming a government, we hear reflections from south africans on the states of that democracy. also coming up the migrants trying to find the way to europe despite the 200000000 euro efforts to stop them. we hear from one woman in more attain yeah.

area brings back, it's a national anthem. but all the government, i'm the people singing from the same him. she's the head of what i'm told me on logic. boy, it's good to have you with us. south africans are waiting to see what the next government will look like following last week's elections. but one thing is set and the ruling african national congress has lost its majority. for the 1st time since the end of apartheid, the party will need to make a deal with the opposition to form a coalition government. the result was a major blow for the and see since 1994 it secured more than 60 percent of the vote in every election except one. and that's until this year, when it could only gain 40 percent and it appears the public dissatisfaction was

not just with the and see but with the political process as a whole voter turnout has been on a gradual decline in recent years. but this year, so the lowest ever in south africa's 30 year democratic history. but president 0 rama pulls that insist. there's much to celebrate. people have given effects to the tardy and call that was that has it resonated across generation that the people shout, govern our people have spoken whether we like it or not? they have spoken. and so what are the options for the amc? the obvious choices the team up with the largest opposition party, the democratic alliance between them, they would have enough seats and parliament to govern despite the differences of the, all the options would be the economic freedom finds us and the i'm comfortable with these way potty o m k party. it's led by a former president, jacob summa,

that was almost potty has demanded ramos step down as a condition for a coalition. a sign of the personal animosity between the 2 and the half of pledge to nationalize south africa as important gold and platinum mines, as well as the central bank, which some experts say could be damaging for south africa's image with foreign investors. so clearly not an easy task ahead for the n c and president drama plaza . but as the political parties negotiate, let's get the view from south africa and south africans. actually we have kimberly and local show in johannesburg. and we have, let's see, by sydney woke up in paula kline a good to have the 2 of you on the program. welcome to dw news africa. let's start with you. let's see what you voted fs. they cannot make freedom fighters. why? why did you a s m st, you will search for the me and then great to use 2 of us. i look, yeah, i had

a couple of things that i based my choice on. so the phase to as the money system. so the election money says to, according to me was whether it be fixed, you know, you do anything um, you know, the engine process is also making sure that it reflects the day we should send views of the paper on the ground. there was a lot of consultations we defended and sick tests of business i a t being business being in touch in mand or the success of the society and making sure that the manifesto is as well informed as possible. uh yeah, well welcome to more of the issues in a bed, but i just wanted to have a brief summary kimberly you voted for 3 different parties of different levels. so how come as well just to say so that the original one that i voted for was a rise on c, and it's quite

a new party. it's also got a lot of younger people in it and i felt like it would be great to kind of give them a chance to, you know, get an idea of what it is like to run a country. but obviously at a lower level, which would also give them a lot of experience. and then my national party, i voted for u d. m. i feel like i really liked to be a manifesto as a, as voted for them the last time as well. and as much as the not as popular to everyone, i'd rather go with one that speaks to my heart and then a provincially. i went for action, se, mainly because the home in my show for example, when he was given certain duties to fulfill. he really did fulfill them and his time was just cut short, but i really believe that they could make a difference as well. right. so yeah, i thought a bit of i of variety is good for that. okay, going back to you,

let's see by you when you were choosing who to go to vote for and and, and going to the pilot box. what were the main issues that influenced you about what, what was top of your mind? yeah, well basically the 1st under the category of 6 gigabyte, you know, we're looking at in size that i've to in terms of fab accessibility, in terms of the roads. we're looking at health care. we're looking at um, len instead of, you know, people need to lend for a variety of capacities which cut into these, the very expensive thing to, uh, to acquire, you know, looking at what we can get access to screwed and provide education. so all those type of things with key to my decision making, because i've said i should vote for an organization that i feel at this point in time is capable of addressing those issues in the most effective way. right? i'm looking at south africa as a whole. b amc,

the national congress has been the dominant party for most of both your lives and now they've suffered major losses. kimberly, how do you feel about the prospect of a multi party government to be honest, i would rather prefer that. i feel like i, i, i feel like i don't have an issue with it. i wouldn't want necessarily, and i don't want to bash anybody, but i wouldn't necessarily want in see to run on its own again. but i also wouldn't really want the a to run on its own. so i think for example, been having a clinician, i think would be good and it would challenge both parties to rather instead of constantly calling out each other's faults, then to rather work together towards making an actual change in the country. i think they both have the strengths and weaknesses and they could work together for the bit of the country. that's just interesting. points are less about what do you

think this? all right, we're not going to a to it's a final answer yet. but in terms of a government, but what do you think this development says about the state of democracy in south africa? or when we are looking at democracy at play and, you know, to each see pretend status, you know, where people are not subject to, to just one organization each. and you know, so people have good now the liberty to choose who they think and believe that the present that they have us and wishes well. and then also this also bring together in, you know, a lot of the expertise and knowledge and other than only looking for answers from one group of people who we know it could take. one of the said in view of 6 fifty's . and so, and that would come together and make sure that maybe you say poor of knowledge and expertise that might possibly take a country for investment and what it is you want to address this. whichever

government comes in unless you buff, and you want to give them one point, the top of your list that they should address immediately. what, what would you want them to do for you? um, well it would be the, the issue of lend let, let us make, lend access. i bought it for you quite a very distribution and use because we blended then comes a lot of things, you know, a lot of opportunity to satirize is people can open their businesses to sustain themselves. you know, people and use it for actually kind of, you know, people can use it for processing them and yeah, now the, the access to all those other things. so i think the, the main issue would be and the next completion of the end. okay. kimberly will finish up. what do you, what, what would you be top of your list? a man with this much easy use development and use unemployment because they use all going to run the country eventually. and we really need some, you know,

we need proof of citizens of the countries who are also in a good social, economic standing in order for them to be productive people within the country. so for me, it's the use. they are number one, top of my list, and that's a great point to stop the well, thank you very much. kimberly in control when john is back, unless he bubble go back in public line is great to have you. it's been good to have you on the program. the irregular migration to europe is on the rise, and the e. u is attempting to bring down the numbers by quoting some of the countries where migrants travel from all travel through the one roots that's grown popular is what's known as the western african route and more attain yeah, is one of its trends at hubs. the government, the assigned to deal with 210000000 euros with the you to manage the flow. we have

a special report from the more retaining and city of not able a transit point for thousands who set out on this hazardous journey. la la, grew up in senegal and in more atanya where she has long dreamed of a better life. by the time she was 30, she'd saved enough to pay for a p rogue to take her from the capital, knew watch shot to spain's canary islands and future in the u. and it's hard for her to recount the ordeal she suffered. so they were all sorts of nationalities. molly and kim rooney, inside the syrians, mauritania and senegalese, the police himself came to take us to the beach. the big boat to take you to europe is waiting out as i've seen, lit up like a small boat comfortably to antique 20 people on board. 20 people 20 people not everyone to get on because there were so many of us one for more than 100 or so

can you define only 80? we're lucky enough to get on. i've seen people almost went mad. sometimes people fight with each other with the captains have big knives, the threatened you and tell you to shut up or they'll throw you on the beach to show my before and they're not kidding. and like i put them on the ground to one us, which is a single issue, we just add up flash the, you know, got a new one but, but it wasn't to be after 4 days at sea drifting without few they ended up on a beach in northern mauritania for nationals will be deported, but the law as a more attorney and was simply released the most of those you provided me. i haven't been able to honestly, the, since i got back because you just see when i sleep, i feel like i'm still in the boat. that was rocking and i see my segment is fed even when i closed my eyes like this. i feel i'm swinging and that's the best. the

crossing she attempted is one of the most dangerous migratory roots in the world. i . li knows all too well. he's a fisherman who has seen the hopeful and the desperate taking their leave by night . 50 migrants, he says, cramming themselves into a fishing boat designed for a crew of 6 and the sea knows little mercy. i got a little curious if for someone sent me these photo the best on the dead past to because of these a corpse is because they've got a game look, a 15 is actually the baby here. so if in my such a powerful image, no audi boost port is full of per rogues. traditional fishing boats that the human

traffickers have made into their business model. one smuggler wants to buy a per rogue for his next departure and degrees to tell us about the authorities and the restrictions he too wants to conceal his identity. the 1st one there is a police boat. got yeah. yeah, that's the 2nd the zip codes guys. will continue, it's hard to get out of here legally, if you have any requests. so football, but we're looking at the drug center from the top of photo. so that's a big for me. you can put a lot of people in that you saw it to have, you know, for this kind of, through the controls to see if they're going fishing or for something else is not what people to visit. we know how made arrived here 2 months ago. he is a welder by trade and has one aim to reach europe. as a day labour he earns the equivalent of 10 year was a day,

which he spends on food water and somewhere to live this, you know where she is. i've seen the people here where she lived, gravity, blue, we're looking for what the ones that are going for. it's not easy. good morning nights we come on. what are we done to? happy new 2 months. i work anywhere your life are to for law law to despite everything she has suffered and the huge sums of money she has spent, she is still determined. she tells us that however horrible her memories are of being at sea. she would do it all again to get to europe, where she hopes to earn a living. in this city of 840000 inhabitants, more than 30000 r like lala and mohammed waiting to leave. but many find themselves trapped for months, even years saving what little they earn to be able to afford

a boat to europe must speak now to house on old, democratize research on consultant and the author of the forthcoming book after the border externalization migration, race and labour immortality, a house on is good to have you on the program. welcome to dw is africa. now north african countries have been the main exit points for migrants going to europe. so can give us some context as to why or how west african countries like mauritania and become major hubs as well. uh thanks for inviting me to be here and i guess uh the context goes back to 2006 when uh for mars here at least um archers increased um quite significantly. um from the west austin coast to the canary islands.

upwards of $32000.00 and the people arrived on the items um, over the course of the year. um, um, as a result of those arrival service and um, as a slew measures both militarized security measures um on the part of european states and spain in particular the european union in addition to more uh, soft uh, developmental measures like jobs with origin programs and uh, you can finance programs um all with the aim of uh preventing people from um, leaving the coast of uh west africa to europe. um they have had various degrees of success over the years. but of uh, the recent arrivals over the last couple of months and uh, the latter half of 2023 in particular as they indicate. um there is those of us

a little bit low. i would rise success and the prevention of those departures from uh west african right now and just clarifying some of these people uh, both mauritania and, and people coming from other other countries as well, using mauritania as a, as a rouge. yeah, that's correct. um, primarily, uh, people using martini as a ruth. and so you're saying the best deal between you, you and more attain you will not achieve it's a um yes, in the immediate term, i think it might succeed in preventing departures, maritime departure. so from the coast of martini uh, to the canary islands. boss, i think the broader aim of preventing so called irregular arrivals in europe

will not be achieved by this deal. i think people will continue to migrate through on authorized channels uh, most likely through the border post between uh the rock and westerns are um, uh, mauritania. um, travel overland, um and uh, best routes will disperse in response to these kinds of deals. and i'm saying this was bit on the basis of loss has happened in the region since 2006, when of i mentioned the initiative to kind of externalize migration controls, to montana, to other countries in the region was initiated. and that's on this. but you would to still pursue this. um, this plan as, as it were to, to cut down migration numbers is a better way. it can collaborate with countries like mice and yet achieving this

and yeah, i think so, i think the 1st is the boss be increasing the scope for legal migration into european territory. and this is something that is promised within the deal. and there is one aspect of it bass uh, dollars for a increase. and i think both students, uh, student visas for montana national as in addition to um, i think so if your migration is gaines um the boss given that, as we said earlier, it's primarily non smart pena national. so we're trying to get from marketing you to your i'm not convinced as to how effective that particular measure will be because it's essentially promising a certain i'm very limited. it must be said to be offset mobility for martini

national. so you're an exchange for a non mauritania and migrant smoking to be in montana being uh, police done uh kinda where they are. so i think boss me increasing the scope for um, legal migration. uh and of course, uh the scope for um, applying for asylum for uh, entrance protection across the you not just in spain was uh, reduce the number of people migrating uh through any old channels. that's been a long uh, argued and migration studies, scholarships. the a restriction and visas, uh, avenues to migrate legally. um increases others have the uh, cost functional human costs of um, the journey to europe. um rather than stopping them. and then also for those who do

make us and that has the kind of traverse consequence of preventing them from going home because it will be that much difficult to come back. so if it were the case that it were possible to migrate legally, there will be less of an incentive to stay in your in context or any destination context once uh when i arrived right on top will have to leave it that. so now, but thank you very much for your insights. as i get rooms running, the nigeria has a new national, and some of the old one brought back present bullet to nibble signed into law. it's a mock his 1st year in office, but with the countries pressing economic and security challenges, was this what nigerians really needed at this point, dw supplies to grow has been finding out

mm hm. and you need to write your 1st post independence. and then for these kids, it's a new tune they'll have to then i liked it. so i mix with the motion for 90 of you. that's. it's just the only thing i can think about. i just know that and i do . yeah, we don't want that at that 90 era we here will be was dropped by imagery. government in 1978 was replaced with a rice combat troops. the surprise switch back to the old at them has left many line jerry is outraged. the see president latino bush should be working to fix the real issues affecting manger as today that the cost of living crises and rump aren't in security. i think i what the government is really just the clock i just

have to because of the default and i do have to keep busy talking about i feel good about what's going on. so that means that that problem wants to change that and change. and that's not, and so it said there were to me, everybody in this country is about charlie below they do about fund. i think that is what the government should looking to ensure that the various people suffering the speed of the change has also come in for criticism. mm hm. rushed to probably a major. we need to close out taishan. see critics, the aqua send about the wida implications. there are no podiatry problem discussions. government did not provide pressure now, did not create public engagement and support. and therefore, even though it's not long as not kind of utilized video new, push us this on much money, isn't the new on same scroll for unity and brought the who maybe 2 new boost top priority,

but many named jerry. i was wanting to foreclose on solving the country's economy was right. that's it for now. would be sure to check out all the stories on d, w dot com, forward slash advocate or as well on social media. find all that content there and we'll see you next time i for now the,

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