is it just going to be funded here repos here, every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate, almost 90 percent of the people i went to school. we'd have left the country ppo doctor. there's no reason for you to be major, that is what everybody say. so it's for the fact that people are running away because the money is a problem to me. you took it out to save lights. the sense of the young lady listening to your house to venture complimentary. i get to know that you, my dear, come back on create opportunities and i know i do. i agree. i agree because opie's nice truck is you don't want to keep open for 62 years we, i'll be paying 5 out what no cost on that body people that cost on that body of

pocket. why and people able to get what they need from this country. well that's, that's, that's a very tough question. that's why i'm asking you the hello and welcome back to the 7 to 7 percent this week. we are back in the julia and before we continue, i'd like you to pick to something. imagine living in the country where you feel completely frustrated by your government's efforts and feel absolutely no way out. what do you do? well, for most nigerians they decide to jump the yorba would for run. and so huge is this problem that's recently elected president, to nubile asked people in the diaspora in the us to come back home and forget the frustrations of the previous government. but is this enough to allow the young people here to remain? that's the question we have to day, and i'm going to begin with some soon. now you, i, one of the people who we thing, but look, this country is not really watching out for me and given the chance i am taking the 1st flights out of here and never coming back. why?

this is so i meant to just the entropy. no, i think about me having solutions, so many problems. and then still trying to bots will be the 1st drop to thinking about pa thinking up our main center thinking i buy a plastic or that will help me do many things. i will want to do that. so i was think about me looking for a place where i have all of those things that kinda and there's my dad security solutions that i'm looking for. okay, so give me an idea of how frustrating it is. this lack of infrastructure on a normal day painted picture for me. so just imagine me getting into the airport in the marketplace that i need to quickly at the end. so one of my clients that i do have access to internet on me trying to even use my data to do what i want to do. but i'm locked out because of the fund value quotes. i know working all of that. i've had several of the challenges like these where i'm trying to do something bored. mean i gave to the environment, there is no wi fi that i make me do stuff. there's no infrastructure that guy gives me an idea of what i want to do is very frustrating. okay,

so let me hear from other people here, just the state of affairs and they do at the moment, how would you describe its own desire? so it is guess of major uh, yeah, i might see things on, on walking, right. but it's probably going to be the interim and try is going to be a bit helpless if we all contribute all thoughts to make it up. let's. okay, so you say it's going to be a better place, but what is the situation present to them? yes, that's the reason why we are developing issue on the rights. we are more positive on a positive west on what he it splits never the less cause i getting better because you're new call spring. you know, fire on day, but we, i mean the detox piece i meant to tech space so i can see a lot of things i think. so yes, because i get some pets on thing. you can only hope that things get better. okay, so it'd be under it, i'm sure things are getting better and yet new media as you so beautifully wrote in one of your articles for your blog, people already leaving and they're leaving in droves and he's having an impact already, not just on society, but on your personal life, can you tell me about that? well, things have gotten really lone be um, typically you have to work. i had no money, we're only conveying type should do like love friendships. i now would be able to

say on monday, i'm on, you know, with this by saying, i'm on, you know, with that pressing on friday, i'm gonna, what's the shot to differentiates on because choppy, just things to do as i mean, it has really been on an increase um beyond that, i also understand why people are leaving. you think about leaving united, you guys that the products is that that's a lot of individual, i'll be honest. right. what's the building translates or anything collectively? because like you rightly sir that's most structured as the infrastructure in place . so people want to pick up, we used on tickets with country walks, they struck that works and you can't blame them. so even for those of us who have no, you know someone of coverage or being able to just approve, i felt i leave where i left suite to the keeping up with our friends with all of the digital media social media suite you feel like we're seeing every day, but the truth is that they're printed with all the new types of people we've gone up with. we have to protect from family like i have friends, that's one of my friends today, the mom's but the she literally the only child on she doesn't want to ration vips

the c. all right, and he's just up mean like box. we talk about the impact cargo youth, but also impact on the parents are leaving behind the people that you don't know when they're gonna fall sick. i things are really bad. you don't know when you've the next time you're coming to like do i used to bury your mom what's very adopt? so it's really painful. yeah. but you said that you understand why they're leaving, by the way, how many people have friends who just i'd let me see by show hands and that's every one that's everyone. okay, so, so let me talk to dr. duffel here because he is actually uh, working very closely with the permanent secretary steering league goes for the youth commission. correct? so if lee goes and nigeria indeed is one of the biggest economies in africa. why and people able to get what they need from this country? well that's, that's, that's a very tough question. so that's why i'm asking you when one challenge we have is the number of people compared to the resources that we have in this country. and

also management of that's just us way low middle income country. so we can actually compare selves really with the, with the west download, which is also a high, high income country. so i think it's an extra route that people move to places where there's a green apostrophe. what i find disturbing is the number of people exactly. and just for the information i know for the benefit of all audience, a recent report stated that nearly 70 percent of nigerians actually would want to leave this country to leave elsewhere. but not everybody does any thoughts. some people want to return. and that's the story of and to let you hear, tell them, yes, i'm actually a rock but i wasn't born and 9 to so what is the rock but coming back? i wasn't born and 9 g. i didn't go to school and you guys didn't do anything at 90 . i came to nigeria for the 1st time when i was 20. and then um, so on and off, i've been in nigeria for 10 years, and i have absolutely no intention of ever moving back to america and is intriguing

because samsung. he mentioned something that is the problem to me. he said that he's a problem solver, so i don't understand why a problem solver will be leaving a place that has problems. we need his talents, and that's my issue, a job, my people can travel and do whatever the heck they want to do, but it is our quality individuals are leaving. and that is what the problem is. that all means going. travel abroad, go to school, have university experiences, but please bring those or i think the experiences back. okay. hey, well well, all right. basically for me the word jack bass has a least true meaning and a few very to meaning. so literally and you're right, it means to runny. we as when you say someone is running new, we something is chasing you. right? and most of the time is like you don't have a patsy to laugh, poppers or reason, just want to run. if something happens you, everybody just runs, everybody just distresses, desolate plastic with that direction. but then you're assigned your and so, so you have hope united to your i've come in the feed glory,

to psychiatrist who is your moving lead? a purpose, the all niger onto any time to go and come back. you get an idea as who go to improve himself personally and professionally to come back and down. lots of them. well, i've come back to create opportunities for other people. so niger i is a developing country, right? but there are countries that have more resources, more for structure that we have, and it's not a big deal if so i'm price is one to go get better. i've come back at the same time . you can also stop people from wanting to go and not come back. it still ends up with every individual opinions and choices at the end of the day. okay, so i want to talk to dr. fuller for a 2nd because you are a doctor. and then also interestingly, a visual artist. i've no idea how you manage those 2 schedules. i can barely keep mine up. so your industry put medicine is one of the west affected by joppa. actually just from the reports that we're hearing, tell us a little bit about that. are you seeing an impact almost 90 percent of the people?

i went to school, we have left the country. they something about being a medical doctor. that nature is really feeling that if you go to other countries, less than countries date is the huge amount of respect. and you know, there's a, a chair it is given to medical doctors that we do not have here the fees, very bad leaving conditions. very bad, and you know, we, if you break down what's the cause of means is given to the doctors in the country here. it's really bad. i have a lot of hope for the new the new um, the new routine, hoping that things would change for sure. i'm also hoping that my, my colleagues will also come back to the country when they have developed themselves. and the most people just want to run if you a doctor, there's no reason for you to be major if that is what everybody's saying. okay, let me come back to own desire here for a 2nd because you, you said that, you know, things are bad, but there's no reason to go when you hear dr. follow speaking. i mean,

surely those to wells don't belong together. i'm. so i'm not saying there's no reason to go right. boys are going was going to insure if i were, but he lives lencher also venture. that's the truth. we will have to go, yes, you can go get to know that you have come back, come through the manager, come up close the structure that you just as appropriate price. when you 1st of probably play, you still get public, you create a but you need to talk to a manager. i get to know that you'd like to come back and create opportunities in and you mentioned it, but it's okay. i do, i do, i do. i agree, i agree because opie's nice truck is you don't want to keep open for 62 years. we have to print it out. what? no concern about. if people are concerned about the a fucking, imagine me get out of the country, go to knowledge, come back and i'm be several times. have been cute, just because i need to strike a deal with someone and government to make my dear come to reality. i mean, are we talking about a country where you can literally, you know, see what we happened and this time, no secure, but you know, your spouse structure that they me that i should go? no, no, no, no, i'm not saying that all the countries i know like that i'm saying that the settings

are things that i should be set to know about the things that should be nothing for me, provided by the government. that should be able to do what we have talking about. gimme a 2nd because we mean, yes, i also think that you kind of discount the fact that the programs and that you have very institutional people leave this country. i have friends who have left this country, i mean 3 years, they have houses because as mortgage systems, we don't have documents here. we do lots of document you need to do is accessible at anytime you close on me, please. so i think that we're coming from the place of privilege. if you think let's, let's listen to. i think i can somebody please of privilege if you think that you know, my pressing can access the things that you said i no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is, this is the problem. i didn't often time because we have access to social media, we think everyone's life is perfect. it's not like that even in the abroad. you have to have a certain kind of salary to get certain kind of mortgage to get a certain kind of house every way has its own kind of strategies or rules. he says something about a doctor. and i know even when i was trying to study medicine,

doctor was supposed to have some kind of ingrained reason to want to help people to sort of the fact that people are running away because of money. it's a problem to me. you took an oath to save lives. that's on to her. the me there was what they want. one that took it's yes. what the government? that's the big one. the address was the government said that the speech up at the top on the medical press, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. let's just come back to center for a 2nd. you said something about the medical profession and questioned what is driving the dr desires and what their motivation is. yes, and the media is trying to explain the sense of belonging, literally on the phone. no, you did say that at the level of being green misstep that comes with a professional. you know, that's another country i won't be. i feel like will be the solution. if you say that we don't speeds, we see it's we yeah about it. we have all the systems,

i mean that can play them. you care about the image of systems. everybody knows what it should to. yeah. it might have called the 9. yeah. am i correct now? yeah, the, i'm not as of your life into jerry for people. it's a catch me for people who are making sure that people are like, it's better to be good in some sense. then you should be the level of respect from the government. okay? no problem, because because we've invo the name of the doctors here, let's reintroduce into the discussion now. uh the question was suppose you know what is the motivation for a doctor? but of course, if the conditions a so terrible as need be these explaining, then why should you stay? but if you don't stay, that's the part who then gets to fix the system. now we need to see the 1st thing is very important. you're trying to downplay the, the importance of p and that is very, very, but these doctors and the machines do you understand? now we work in a system where you work more mean shifts and night shift. you understand,

we have periods where you have to work the whole we can do you understand? how do you, how do you give your services to your mind, your hands. when you're thinking about your rent, when you're thinking about your transportation, when you're thinking about the time, when you think about your family, do you understand most people come from families where the mother, the father, everybody's boring money to send this boys to school. you get, they become a medical doctor, you don't have a home because you have a lot of shifts. so many patients to see 1st before because and they drilled, we have about 4000 patients to one doctor a. so i don't mind, you know, i, i'm ok with seen as many as i want to see. you understand what happens to me? where do i go to of, to seeing everybody? where am i sleeping? what am i? it's all right. let's begin. se also because i hear how nodding you have something to add to this. i was not in because i had an experience where i went to the doctor to get a diagnosis. and in the middle of diagnosing, he was dozing off. so i asked him, are you ok?

he said, yes, i have been i'm most okay. i have been working all day. we do um a 101. pressing 200 people by day as a doctor. that is crazy and i'm here in 4000 so we don't. so that's even, you know, much more explosive. i want to, i agree with something she said when she talks about between the dynamics, there's the dynamic of privilege. i'm not trying to don't play or yes because she said that she she lived abroad or live in michigan. it's a different feeling when you're coming from there. when you rate, we have been raised from this and you come down here. we need to also look at the dynamics of privilege when we're discussing these things, we kind of gave a one size fits all approach of view to everybody's reason for leave it all right, a dr. delta, and let me, let me get you for a 2nd because you've been silently observing everyone very pensively. what are your thoughts? all right, so i think um, there is what i'll describe as a push and pull factors to,

to people live in something these fussing people out on the, on the, on something is being incentivized to bring people in. it's a point that we know that the country is worth talking about. so i'm not interested in taking the worst of us. so it is a dynamic. we screen skew for people at low cost and we have a huge, huge population of young hardworking, yes. and the question of costs that dr. fuller then comes to mind, how do we incentivize him to stay? you know, how do we, in spite of these conditions. okay. so yes, now that several things we, we can do to, to incentivize interest that unfortunately we have to outside the question of a lawful country. i mean, every, every citizen of every country should be primarily interested in the country. first of all, then secondly, there are things that the government can do to make life. it'd be best uh for, for people which is,

which is also what i believe that we should be clamoring for. more than assessing the cause of getting not to look at being resourceful about to look at being with us and we cannot, we cannot have somebody have an opportunity to practice. so way in the united kingdom and depressive would naturally want to be here. i mean, the best thing would obviously want to leave for something better because that's the normal she month and the so please go ahead. i am, let me just say this. i am not against people leaving by all means do what she wants to do. but i'm often hearing some things like that site is amazing and it is nots. first and foremost, we need to look at the color of skin est here. being black and being abroad is not friendly. i was up in america, i was american of black americans. so now that's even different than being an immigrants in america is an extremely different experience. everyone should go and have a blast, but those stories we hear about people living abroad and how they feel they are

very valid and true. so by all means, if you rather deal with racism, what would tribalism go and have a blast? but i don't want people to think that automatically once you go is going to be amazing. even if you are that skilled, excellent talent, you will still face challenges. so my charge is that if you're going to go, please just take those resources and please bring them back from nigeria. we need it. okay, that's it. that was uh, there was another statement here from the back. i just don't see, i would rather be discriminated against any foreign country that'd be queued in my own country. and you don't have to do not being so be cutie named you just don't do you called them during that 9 days or friesland nigeria happens to you on what that means. you don't let the system feel you and i think the local people are leaving because and, and you as food one to many people. and if we, oh, i mean, you're just going to use empty. maybe the government would finally recall because the be sleeping on the bicycle. okay. okay. now there's something interesting which i discovered as i was doing research on this topic, which is where exactly nigerians are going. and not surprisingly, the countries,

the top, the list, the kind of the us euro, and only one african country featured on that list. and that's was gonna. so if the idea is to bet your lives and not really to leave in the abroad, as we are saying, why not move to follow african countries? why not go to send a go? can anybody help me with that answer country? i mean, sure, i'm sure. do you know what is up and commenting gun that you noticed just aren't gonna correctly? is it developing countries? yes, true. but i mean, i'm feeling good deal. and if you're telling me that the problem is infrastructure, internet access to health care, the a many african countries which can support you in those few. okay. so tell me one or 2 of the gods. can i use one of those? okay. yeah, i agree with you, so i must say that, you know, remember that the most, i'm just trying to figure out if it's a fun to see about living in the west on wells, or if it's about truly improving your life, you had to point and then i'll come to you. okay, so what i wanted to talk about is we are, he mentioned that the disadvantage of odds weighs the advantage. well,

he doesn't mind right. i was, i wanted to ask him like, have you checked the number of people who are currently trucks and why in trouble books come, come back home. i mean, you have one in the countries that you are attracted to that you think everything is rosy and beautiful and then you can develop your skills. there are so many and 9 to around that our trucks become to come back home. so that's the point i, when it's amazing, and instead of the 6 years later divest eating, we don't talk about mental health issue a lot in this country. we don't care about it, sites on your cell, don't stand up, stop this silly. we have a system of shing when people drop by and they don't make enough money to come back home and people are laughing at them when people go through stuff because i saw that. how does that change? so there is already that system. we have so many things we need to change. it is not just the government, it is us each and every one of us how mine sets that is pride run, a child goes abroad and then he's sending money home to viewed houses. and oh,

so there is that shame, i'm coming back home. i'm going to hide myself. you know, anyone here and that's what, that's how people go abroad. you want to hear, right? you see, you would see someone right in a big car and you see someone checking on you to see what do you agree with the parent would do what it is. because there's already that engraving us from when, when little girls are raised to be a competition, we've each other, you know, so it is it's, it's a hard copy. but yes, the shame is that it is in family. it is in every system. every you need from the family. so if so please have your confidence house and stuff from the family. so we're going to change that with this generation. all right? oh, we've never had clapping me debates because that's not the. yeah. so you can look to follow something, i want you to think about solutions, right? i completely agree with what you said. you understand having the same is not just only about if you leave and you're forced to come back. if you're feeling names,

area to, you will have yourself, so nobody wants to fail. there's also the issue of the glamour. you mention, why don't people go to other african countries? true, everybody wants to do it, white people, i don't know what, i don't understand it. but i would say these lastly, right? if you want to move, you move it pop up, you have a skill, you have the reason, you know, you apply, you know what you're going to do and you have to come back for sure you understand, don't leave people, a lot of people. and it's true, yeah, more people leaving without a plan without a purpose more than that, those leaving with purposes. okay. so at the beginning of this debate, that was the question of whether you believe and trust that what the government is doing right now is enough to secure your future. because that's really what you're fighting for. and i want to see do and how many people would rather stay based on this conversation today. how many people will say i'm going to be nigeria, come with me. okay. we're not

going to have manipulation of the election here. all right? and okay, and let's see how many people would still want to jump. okay, i think we're almost split down the middle. so the question is, how do we make sure that not that people don't leave? there's nothing intrinsically wrong with people wanting to emigrate to leave. but the people want to come back and be able to this country. how does that happen? any ideas? i'm 1st i think is very important that we look within, like we've been talking about purpose, i think is also very key that we need to be honest with ourselves and do research. i know many people are speaking from a points of frustration and anger, but we can even look at this car, you know, administration from states to the federal government. there's so many more young people, so many more technocrats educated people who deserve to be in the positions that are actually getting positions this time around different than what we have possibly seen in the past. so i want people to realize that we do have some of the inputs that we want, but because we speak for many points of anger that we kind of just dismiss things,

we'll just have to absolutely look within. and most importantly, again, we need to run for public office. okay, let me hear from you one of the young people who said that they would want to stay . would you like to speak to me? okay. um, what do you think it would take for you to say that i'm never going to leave nigeria or even if i do, i'd really want to come back and sit with you. nobody here talk about spend years educational system, which is like really terrible. i'm courtney surgery. they've aren't, i've seen people, but of course that came out to in classes. what's the one that likes waiving and they like steady classes. we don't get that's cool. and people that typically have to just pay the lecture. i was on something on the pass, so you don't that he's really discouraged you for me to like okay, well i'm stating that you are likely because even if i will cods, good, you degree, get my 1st class everything. if i to how do i connection? if i do, i have one gets an edge up is like really difficult so you don't see any way that you know, your stance on drop is going to change. no, is no good, strange boards. i actually have the intention of going average gets in

a good degree, gets into the like technology because most of the technology i'm not going to be 90 or so great about getting the degree. do knowledge expect especially coming back to nature on like tried to hill? yes. on developing. thank you. all right, let's have some most of the shows before we run this debate please. all right, so for your giving me a solution of how to stay and do you want to be? yeah. no or so for me, i think is about mindsets i think is a by you becoming the value pay are in wherever you find yourself. i think you're by, you're thinking about the fact that you are the upsets through the country and not a liability thing. and about the fact that you guys, the vision provider. okay. so that purpose for living that you were talking about. so yeah, at the beginning of this debate, we did have a very simple question. why have so many nigerians leaving and drugs? i think we've had very many visas. should they stay? should they go, i think they will continue to go. and whether or not they come back is something

that we only have to wait and see, well, something we don't have to wait to see is you next time for our show. thank you for watching the the

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