tillman. to review one. you have you have a one, dodge starting the this of the quote on the spot on the, on expected side to side. enjoy the, this is data medias in africa coming up on the program. south africa's elections have not yet, but the new government, but can the process so far be seen as a win for democracy? as the ruling african national congress reaches out to the opposition in the hopes of forming a government, we hear reflections from south africans on the states of that democracy. also coming up the migrants trying to find the way to europe despite the 200000000 euro efforts to stop them. we hear from one woman in mauritania. area brings back, it's a national anthem, but all the government,

i'm the people staying in from the same him. she's the head of what i'm told me on. why the boy it's good to have you with us. south africans are waiting to see what the next government will look like following last week's elections. but one thing is set and the ruling african national congress has lost its majority. for the 1st time since the end of apartheid, the party will need to make a deal with the opposition to form a coalition government. the result was a major blow for the and see since 1994, it's secure and more than 60 percent of the vote in every election except to one. and that's until this year, when it could only gain 40 percent and it appears the public dissatisfaction was not just with the and see but with the political process as

a whole voter turnout has been on a gradual decline in recent years. but this year, so the lowest ever in south africa's 30 year democratic history. but president 0 rama pulls that insist there's much to celebrate. people have given effects to the tardy and call that was that has it resonated across generations that the people shall govern our people have spoken whether we like it or not. they have spoken. and so what are the options for the amc? the obvious choices the team up with the largest opposition party, the democratic alliance between them, they would have enough seats and parliament to govern despite the differences of the other options would be the economic freedom fighters. and the, i'm going to west sees way potty o m k party. it's led by a former president, jacob's whom i was almost potty has demanded ramos stepped down as a condition for

a coalition. a sign of the personal animosity between the 2 and the half of pledge to nationalize south africa as important gold and platinum mines, as well as the central bank, which some experts say could be damaging for south africa's image with foreign investors. so clearly not an easy task ahead for the n c and president drama plaza . but as the political parties negotiate, let's get the view from south africa and south africans. actually we have kimberly and local show in johannesburg and we have, let's see, by sydney look up. in paula klein, a good to have the 2 of you on the program. welcome to d, w. use africa. let's start with you. let's see what you voted fs. make and i'll make freedom fighters. why? why did you i think you will search for the me and then 3 teams. 2 of us look. yeah, i had

a couple of things that i based my choice on. so the 1st to ask the money system. so the election money says do, according to me, was way to to be fixed. you know, you do anything um, you know, the engine process is of making sure that it reflects the day we should send views of the paper on the ground. there was a lot of consultations we defended and sick tests or business idea t being business, being in touch in mand or the success of their society, and making sure that the manifesto is as well informed as possible. yeah, well we'll come to more of the issues in a bed, but i just wanted to have a brief summary. kimberly you voted for 3 different parties of different levels. so how come it is um, well, just to say so that the original one that i voted for was a rise on see, and it's quite a new party. it's also got

a lot of younger people in it and i felt like it would be great to kind of give them a chance to, you know, get an idea of what it is like to run a country. but obviously at a lower level, which would also give them a lot of experience. and then my national party, i voted for u d. m. i feel like i really liked to be a manifesto as a, i've voted for them the last time as well. and as much as the not as popular to everyone, i'd rather go with one that speaks to my hearts and then a provincially. i went for action, se, mainly because the home in my show for example, when he was given certain duties to fulfill. he really did fulfilled him and his time was just cut short, but i really believe that they could make a difference as well. right. so yeah, i thought a bit of a variety is good for that. okay, going back to you, let's see by you when you were choosing who to go to vote for and and,

and going to the pilot box. what were the main issues that influenced you about what, what was top of your mind? yeah, well basically the 1st of the big category of 6 gigabytes, you know, we're looking at info aspect to in terms of fem accessibility in terms of the roads . we're looking at healthcare, we're looking at um, lend, instead of, you know, if they put it in atlanta for a variety of purposes which cutting these, the very expensive thing to, uh, to acquire, you know, looking at what we can get access to screwed and provide education so all those type of things with key to my decision making, because i've said i should vote for an organization that i feel at this point in time is capable of addressing those issues in the most effective way. right? i'm looking at south africa as a whole. the amc, the national congress has been the dominant party for most of both your lives and

now they've suffered major losses. kimberly, how do you feel about the prospect of a multi party government to be honest, i would rather prefer that. i feel like i, i, i feel like i don't have an issue with it. i wouldn't want necessarily, and i don't want to bash anybody, but i wouldn't necessarily want in see to run on its own again. but i also wouldn't really want to run on its own. so i think for example, been having a coalition, i think would be good and it would challenge both parties too. rather instead of constantly calling out each other's faults, then to rather work together towards making an actual change in the country. i think they both have the strengths and weaknesses and they could work together for the pit of the country. that's just interesting. points are less about what do you think this. all right, we're not going to to,

to finalize that yet. but in terms of a government, but what do you think this development says about the state of democracy in south africa? or when we are looking at democracy at play and, you know, to each see pretend shadow, you know, a put it on a subject it to just one organization each. yeah. and you know, so people have good now the liberty to choose who they think and believe that they presented their views and wishes with. and then also this also bring together in, you know, a lot of the expertise and knowledge and other than only looking for answers from one group of people. you know, it could take one of the 706 fifties. and so, and that would come together and make sure that maybe you say, pool of knowledge and expertise that might possibly take a country for investment and what it is you want to address this. whichever government comes in unless you buy and you want to give them one point,

the top of your list that they should address immediately. what, what would you want them to do for you? um, well do the, the, the issue of the land let, let us make, lend accessible for equal distribution and use because we blend then comes a lot of things, you know, a lot of opportunity to satirize is people can open their businesses to sustain themselves. you know, people and use it for actually kind of, you know, people can use it for processing them and yeah, now they'd be access to all those other things. so i think that the main issue would be and then your next completion of the end. okay. kimberly will finish up with you what, what would you be top of your list of mine with this much easy use development and use unemployment because they use all going to run the country eventually. and we really need some, you know,

we need purpose citizens of the country who are also in a good social, economic standing in order for them to be productive people within the country. so for me as the youth, they are number one, top of my list and that's a great point to stop the well, thank you very much. kimberly in control when john his book, unless he by my go by in public line is great to have you. it's been good to have you on the program. the irregular migration to europe is on the rise on the e. u is attempting to bring down the numbers by quoting some of the countries where migrants travel from all travel through a one root that's grown popular is what's known as the western african root and more attain yeah, is one of its trends at hubs. the government, the assigned to deal with 210000000 euros with the you to manage the flow. we have a special report from the more retaining and city of 90 bu transit points for

thousands who set out on this hazardous journey. la la, grew up in senegal and in more tenea where she has long dreamed of a better life. by the time she was 30, she'd saved enough to pay for a p rogue to take her from the capital, knew watch shot to spain's canary islands, and a future in the you. it's hard for her to recount the ordeal. she suffered slip, so they were all sorts of nationalities. malia and kim rooney inside the syrians, martini and senegalese, and the police themselves. chains that take us to the beach is the big boat take you to europe is waiting out as i see and load up like a small boats come to pick you up and take 20 people on board. 20 people 20 people not everyone to get on because there were so many of us one more than 100 or so for simple design only 80. we're lucky enough to get on. i've seen people almost went

mad. sometimes people fight with each other with the captains, have big knives to threaten you and tell you to shut up or they'll throw you on the beach to show my before and they're not kidding like that. but then on the ground people, one of which is if she knows you was just i left flash, you don't got a new one. but, but it wasn't to be after 4 days at sea drifting without fue, they ended up on a beach in northern mauretania. before nationals will be deported, but law as a more attorney and was simply released the motor cars you provided me. i haven't been able to honestly, uh, since i got back when i sleep, i feel like i'm still in the boat. that was rocking and i see in my mind is fed even when i closed my eyes like this. i feel i'm swinging in the stuff that the crossing she attempted is one of the most dangerous migratory roots in the world. i

. li knows all too well. he's a fisherman who has seen the hopeful and the desperate taking their leave by night . 50 migrants, he says, cramming themselves into a fishing boat designed for a crew of 6 and the sea knows little mercy. i gotta look at it for someone sent me these file to you guys on the dentist. because i have these a corpses cut out that they gotta look a bit tv is actually the baby here. so if it was such a powerful image, no audi boost port is full of per rogues. traditional fishing boats that the human traffickers have made into their business model. one smuggler wants to buy

a per rogue for his next departure and degrees to tell us about the authorities and the restrictions he too wants to conceal his identity. the 1st one there is a police boat got yeah, yeah, that's good. the 2nd, the zip codes guys will continue. it's hard to get out of here legally, the requests. so football, but we're looking at the drug center from the top of photo. so that's a big for me, you can put a lot of people in that you saw it to have, you know, for this kind of, through the controls to see if they're going fishing or for something else is not what people do. appreciate it. well, you know how made arrived here 2 months ago. he is a welder by trade and has one aim to reach europe. as a day labour he earns the equivalent of 10 year was a day which he spends on food water and somewhere to live.

this, you know where she is, i've seen the people here where she lived gravity, blue like we're looking for what the ones that are going, but it's not easy. a vision this morning and night. we come on. what are we done done? i mean it, 2 months i work anyway at your job, i far to lose your job for la la to despite everything she has suffered and the huge sums of money she has spent, she is still determined. she tells us that however horrible her memories are of being at sea, she would do it all again to get to europe, where she hopes to earn a living. in this city of 840000 inhabitants, more than 30000 r like lala and mohammed waiting to leave. but many find themselves trapped for months, even years saving what little they earn to be able to afford a boat to europe. must speak now to house on old,

democratize research and consultant, and they also have the forthcoming book after the border externalization migration, race and labor in mauritania has done it's good to have you on the program. welcome to dw news africa. now, north african countries have been the main exit points for migrants going to europe . so can give us some context as to why or how west african countries like more. it's amy and become major hubs as well. uh, thanks for inviting me to be here. and i guess uh the context goes back to 2006 when uh for mars here at least, archers increased um, quite significantly. um from the west austin coast to the canary islands. upwards of 32000. and the people arrived on the items um,

over the course of the year um, um, as a result of those arrival service and um, as a slew measures both militarized security measures um on the part of european states and spain in particular the european union. in addition to more a soft developmental measures like jobs, that origin programs and youth employment programs um all with the name of preventing people from leaving the coasts of west africa to europe. um they have had various categories of success over the years. but of the recent arrivals over the last couple of months and the latter half of 2023 in particular as they indicate there. how is those of us a little bit who would rise success and the prevention of those

departures from uh west oregon. right on entertain you and just clarifying some of these people uh, both mauritania and, and people coming from other other countries as well using roygenia as a, as a rule. yeah, that's correct. but primarily people using martini as a roof. and so you're saying the best deal between you, they do you and more attain, you will not achieve it's a i am yes, in the immediate term, i think it might succeed in preventing departures maritime departure. so from the coast of mauritania to the canary islands, boss, i think the broader aim of preventing so called irregular arrivals in europe will not be achieved by this deal. i think people will continue to migrate through

an authorized channels uh, most likely through the border post between uh the broken western sahara and uh, mauritania, shovel overland, um and uh, best routes well dispersed in response to these kinds of deals. and i'm saying this just bit on the basis of what has happened in the region since 2006, when i was, i mentioned the initiative to kind of externalize migration controls to martini on, to other countries in the region was initiated. and that's on this, that you would to still pursue this, this plan as, as a way to, to cut down migration numbers is a better way. it can collaborate with countries like why saying you had a cheating this and yeah, i think so,

i think the 1st is boss the increasing the scope for legal migration into european territory. and this is something that is promised within the deal. um there is one uh, aspect of it bass uh, dollars for a increase and uh, i think both students uh, student visas for montana national as in addition to um i think so if youre migrations, gaines, um the boss given that as we said earlier, it's primarily non smart pena, national. so we're trying to get from more to you to your i'm not convinced as to how effective that particular measure will be because it's essentially promising a certain i'm very limited. it must be said degree offset mobility for martini national. so you're an exchange for

a non montane and migrant smoking to be in montana being leased on caps where they are. so i think boss me increasing the scope for legal migration. and of course, the scope for applying for asylum for internet protection across the you, not just in spain, was reduce the number of people migrating uh through any old channels. that's been a long argued and migration studies, scholarships, the a restriction and visas and avenues to migrate legally increases . others have the uh, cost, financial and human cost of the journey to europe rather than stopping them. and then also for those who do make us as the kind of traverse consequence of

preventing them from going home because it will be that much difficult to come back . so if it were the case that it were possible to migrate legally, there would be less of an incentive to stay in your in context or any destination context once uh when i arrived right on top will have to leave it that. so now, but thank you very much for your insights. i was running the nigeria has a new national and some of the old one brought back present bullet to new bu signed into law. it's a mock his 1st year in office, but with the countries pressing economic and security challenges, was this what nigerians really needed at this point, dw supplies to grow has been finding out

mm hm. major success, post independence, and then for these kids, it's a new tune they'll have to then i liked it. so i mean mixed with the amish. and but andrea here that's, it's just the only thing i can think about it. i just know that is and i do. yeah, we don't want that. at that 90 around we hear the was dropped by imagery government in 1978. i was replaced with a rice or compact troops. the surprise switch back to the old at them has left many line jerry is outraged. the see president will i see little boy should be working to fix the real issues affecting manger as today. that's a cost of living crises and rum punch insecurity. i think i, what a government is really just the clock i just have to because of the default and i do have to keep busy talking about i feel good about what's going on. so that means

that that problem wants to change that and change. and that's not, and so it said there were to me, everybody in this country is about charlie below they do about fund. i think that is what the government should looking to find and showed that the various people suffering the speed of the change has also come in for criticism. rushed to probably a major. we need to console taishan c critics. the aqua sent about the wida implications . there are no podiatry, public discussions. government did not provide pressure now, did not create public engagement and support. i'm deaf or even though it's not long as not kind of utilized video new push us this on mission i using the new on same scroll for unity and brought the who maybe to new boost top priority, but many named jerry. i was wanting to focus on solving the country's economy was

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