of course, we say they're about never giving up every weekend on the w. a surgeon support for fall right. policies in the european elections ascend, tramos across the continent. not more powerful than those heating, paris and berlin, where the policies of both leaders were trunk by far right opponents. i guess this week your central got the outgoing member of the european parliament in president macros when they saw this list. how risky is macros decision to coal snap elections in front? and when he resigned it for fall, right with the majority central god. so you're welcome to come pick some. thank you for inviting. are you looking? you'll lose this morning. right? i mean, it's the, we are not satisfied with the results and the, the, it's your be

a lie that no, i friends, whoever bought the, the positive you showed that the, we asked did the bad, i think indispensable to promo the i while you will be on the browser, even the some of the president macro and supporters are saying that his goal for snap elections is a high risk strategy. but it's was from that isn't that when you call elections at the same time as you have a 65 percent disapproval rating. it's a leap into the dock, isn't it? what i mean? i don't think that the we, we, we, we should drama die is a democratic moment. it is to be at that the situation with which as a marriage the at through a vote and that will be on the nation. large, be influenced by domestic issues that the reason need to clarify the or did you go situation on your browser already did. the national assembly was struggling to

function properly. 5 strong is right. mean to find that those going 3. so to wish us that the french citizens are waiting for a and then bins must drawers. i mean the, the base to resolve to go this stream. right. assume last that with a made it even more difficult to function. so i think that so at the lead and my, me, my call and takes a high risk. but the 1st of all, it is a, is nature as that going to be the right way of asking for the funds to use as to whether you want. they spend ride in government. oh, they want that every form. uh a. i mean a national assembly. we scary out the reform in another way. so i think that they this time to clarify the situation. mike crow told his team off to the results came in. i prefer a writing history rather than submitting to it. doesn't that suggest that this is a last ditch effort to do something,

anything to re gain political authority because the results have been quite a slap in his face. ave. those are the, as i say, i can also be spying my girl. only the one was being that i really liked it. why is the beating that they, they, they stay and fight it, disagree at that that he doesn't want to, to submit to the then say was what they get or they go to the ship even do is one of the party to go the initiative, which i eat so the, it was useful to take because you disagree. i repeat that and uh, the french revolt theres uh, of showing that this, that this function and even patients. uh, these are this fashion. that means that they want to add the solution o morris more effective sort of shows you patients that they want the things to happen. either the one know the out, the need, the effectiveness. no, i mean uh, the faucet,

the fastness would be issued by the national assembly as it stands now. so i think that that he was right there to ask for a democratic uh joyce. uh and the to do it quickly because the discounts we cannot afford to do, i already made a mistake made that far along that. so what you're saying basically is that he's trying to reboot. the struggling presidency on a positive is had to limp along without an overall majority and problem. and so it was 2022. the i think is a, is a, is a listening to the volt, those, uh, and the voltage that is say, we want things to happen. and the, the debate that during this, it will be on the measuring. these are afraid you the manage to keep the focus of the debate on the re, uh you won't be any issues because a lot have to be dominated by protecting file, by security,

by you should that belong, get through the nation. i was via and belonged to the confidence of the national that assemblies. but what matters, i'm thinking can what makes, what makes him think he can reach the voters in 3 weeks when he's had 2 years in bond. he hasn't managed to reach them. and that time, what i mean most of all uh we, we that we, that we can see what the goal is, the 15 to 20 percent of voters which was decided to abstain as it will be on the last, on what day we decide to do. and so that going to be, if we let ask to the vote, does whether they really want a that it, it, they stream right in government to take on the responsibilities. or if they want to give a clear majority to ease a reformist project, a to the we don't have a majority to this room right. about the we don't that even even if the majority for the presidential much for the presidential

a question. and this is why we are struggling and these, why the national, that assembly is basically brought it to the being told that he borrowed eyes off the selection. so i mean, it took all our lives that they couldn't do. it could be power lies, think it would be a good be a money. it is. it is a difference of what the what would would decide is it started off. i mean, everybody must take on the is the only responsibilities, even with as much they go on that responsibility that this, that this value that, that in patient that with this situation, they will have to decide whether they want to give the majority to the president or they want to give much, i'll do this to him, right. president macro has 3 is left in office. if his property does less than expected and the parliamentary elections might resign. i don't think so because the french a vote as, as really decided that they wanted him eh, for an out of the 5 yesterday, i mean 20 to 22. so i, i think that that was damaged goods. politically is,

as it is really play on popular president, let's face of the preventative already made the choice about the, about the president. they must me that you always about the how we spotted them and they want and the problem is we just came out after the victory of president my growing brain going to do was it was at bonham. and the way out it was very difficult for legislate very difficult to work out concrete and effective sort of shows. and now we would see where the on the 7th of july, the french we decided to add it much more effective. the national nice of it. and on, around, around the which browser, if macro himself doesn't go put somebody in his government decide to jump ship a while. i mean, i yeah, i don't see a anybody now wanting to get out of the presidential team. i think that the, or that he does that clearly declare that the they wanted to are united

that the, it disagree or that they just, they are huge. and the there is need for union in the presidential majority. if for the foundation of the party do a profit, you disagree at that, that there is a, a democratic crisis and the use of the need also to reform the way democracy and politics organized. and these are the subsidy theme that it didn't fish and bottle . i mean we, they could be a majority of the work on that social and so that i can only guess was by that also issues around the democratic, but the supervision i want. i want to talk about reforms a, a bit later on and, and press you a bit on that. but so i'm wondering how much monitoring there is inside present. macro is proud to one of his own outgoing and peace of mind. you pay the set everything points to the national riley winning a relative or absolute majority. so that's a, a pessimistic view of, uh, how this selection will end up business. why is it should that scheme?

should i ask that hon? not the, not me. i didn't, i didn't made it, i didn't think i made this because ation it. as you know, make this the restaurant you made it. i think that the, the, the ups are to be open. and i think that the, it this time uh, i repeat, for responsibility for god charges for everybody is absolutely not true that the, as the in the, to be on that i assume there was that a way being favor of national or a national riley. this must be confirmed that adds a just that the will actually on the, the issue would be completely different. the money left, then i dropped them out. the law would i have to clearly say, well, these well, the projects or from these, it's very unclear to me today. and i think it through the very end 3. 0, so for the, for the friends of all does about each other as shown. it is a story, a bar, and i think that's what we have to do is to prepare and to, i mean, the do, the about 30 needs goes to jersey. they showed, i'll do that, you open,

i all both. so that the so called demographic forces with they go on the response that we did before, especially after the election. and because i don't seem that they seem right that showed the rule or the scant. can you see the president of micro sharing power and what the french co co habitation with a prime minister from the far right from the national riley. i think that as any progress then before he met with that at accept the, the results of the election. any resolved the, i mean be what, what the, the reason we say what they were there is that we'd be because i happened to meet the home because i paid for sure. ok. i hope you're doing that, but do my claim i opened that the that would be the majority for, for the president bought the i mean that a reset that we apply the constitution. mister god said to listen to some of the do blades and pronouncements from around europe. some people seem to be changing these

results as a cataclysmic shop for the rise of the far right. there's no surprises. it did was full cost and illustrated by pose around the you for a very long time. so. so why the surprise, the scale of the victory? i think it on one hand, this gate because uh, i mean on the object, the ground very high and the mounting let been box the you the full spot, the them of barked into the, in the, in the european parliament. so stuff that you disagree at that there is a i'm, it is a, it'd be good victory for then i would say that more because the, because for us is a key country for the european integration. and it's not the found the men best, but that's be not always the most new brand shut down to, to get that was germany and you guys always manage. so 5 to brock, the rise of this thing right differently, for example, for me 30 a and the to see now that the they stream right, could see that by why in the,

in the national problem. and it is so totally shocked, not all the berries about the round europe. i understand it is i think for the started going to use us that for the key role that false and that especially now in mind that mcroy is played. see, is that brand to 70? let's look here if we may add, why vote says have to, to the far right? so many of them inside deputy president of the commission very, you're all of a sudden on this program last month said centers. politicians haven't done enough to offer an alternative to the right to send the right to europe and people's party lead a mindful of vapors. and part of the problem was we can lead those like macro and schultz who no longer had widespread public support. there's a pretty serious indictments. do you agree with that? you know, i don't agree. i don't agree with the month of the day. but when they say that the mcroy is like bi weekly, the and he has shown even in these very difficult and courageous decision that is,

that you cannot, again, i have uh, the other, the ford bus certainly doesn't like and either lead the sheep. no, no, no, uh, no, of course, but the and shouts are being polling around 1617 percent. that's it. that's not much in the way of public support. is that what i mean? i think that's what i see the, the exciting already started for you to about leaving. let's go see that that, that we are getting down the web. we've got out the offset and then make we, uh, leaving them in the theater with the war, you know, crane with bob buddies which has come back in the middle east that we saw at the end for us be much better than another county instead of a 5 d, a gauge inflation and keeping the port jersey bow off of c cuz as of close to a most boss, the left at the end as it rises as heated. also this gantry uh there is a fee. uh there you just sent it out to a fee. uh there is a sentiment of a certainty around europe and it is set then set set dement fee. uh. so the thing

that we just few at the stream, right, they offer easy to take solution about the inefficient soto shots and that. so this is a walk, this benefit the in game i view, but pretty smooth mind. and the stream right, the moment around the guns and the is why we have to accelerate the response. this boat that mentioned that about i would say, especially at your yeah, i live in from blonde for bay, but i would expect that it must be more active road or there will be on people's box. the improvement of the reform edge will be out of that. do you not saying that traditional centers potters have become just a little bit too complacent to self satisfied? there's and there's some truth in the i don't the i don't, there we go. nice myself and the nice uh you you are, but as a, as a set of, uh, satisfaction on the group. but we have been very active about. we have been always

pretty ah, step is 5 because you want it to things that go faster and go and go and go to a demo freeform, especially at europe young level. i would say that the we have always show uh, showing the ride sensitive origin. see it disagree at that the we haven't the, the, the, the friends problem and no idea will be on the bottom. and i found that the at the is that the f share the same stance. so for just see and the same we look for the, for me even eat. but i say, i would say that the we have achieved the import that resolves that are producing the right. the fact obviously not fast enough. the foldable this and that will be on that actions. why is that? i mean, b, u is an organization that never stops asking people what it should be doing and holding consultations about his role. so why that didn't listen to the criticisms, to many people was saying that they felt disenfranchised. left find, i'm consulted. and they said so they didn't like immigration policies,

the state of the economy, especially in germany. and the far right said it would fix all the problems. it's hardly surprising that large numbers, tons of them is it because those problems weren't being fixed even after they had been signed, posted pretty adequately by people over and over again in the what day can migration we have uh off the um, 9 in itself. this joshua negotiations, the state made the uh, we have the manage, the 2 adults, the a and his auto migration inspect it, which gives it a good fact of the answers that the seat isn't i waiting for because he does as wants to take back control 1000 to date, they control on migration to take control on the stand on board as to as a more efficient streamlined as item procedure to be effective and very thorough. but the country is the right to it that i mean hungry has rejected that poland has rejected the migration packed up the, the wrong,

the board on that own go out to the wrong go migration says 201420158 is not the rest of the of the storm right or not, i mean the tooth was wrong on migration in 2015. and i mean its not because out against the right. finally, we have managed to adult to what it says rules showing which is the right sort of we should own migration on those. they don't disagree. i, we have adopted 3 months ago. obviously, they told us that the dent that feeds the effect about something that they are the master, and by the way, they stream, right? when they are in the position. i like my mind that then they will, they gave the solution. but whether i can government, they count on our solutions. mister godfrey, you, you have said the, you need some more democracy. some have already asserted that these european elections prove that point. but there was nothing i'm democratic about the was the 190000000 people there about got a free vote in 27 countries,

no voting irregularities, no fraud. as far as we know, the system is non democratic just because you don't like the result. is it up? so it turns out that the system is the demographic but must be ruled. why? because even in this case the in the select shows we have back, but they've got to, we were like the, it's going to $9005.00 a month. we have got much more 27 national debates, a fire 3 or most 3 on domestic issues rather than europe. the not just nation debate on what your should do should and don't, should do less. so should do more. and i think that the, these are the by adults, we are the only one in the, in the ward. well, actually going to end up going to the end it going to the bottom limit. but we continue to do so through 27 national debate. these why we propose that we have propose that there will be on 5. i meant to select that and number of member of

that will be on the bottom and voting dollar through that you will be, i'm 40 to go boxes because that would be a elite dirtiest tournament book. trouble in may, jo, change? well let's, let's have a look at some of the changes that the may come as a result of a what we've seen so far, the surge of the far right. but they will have significant momentum as a result of that. the gains in the, in the parliament. i'm wondering how they will use it. it's germany's institute for international fast says, european politics are going to get more problems arising, more politicized. i'm more populous. which policies do you think will be most affected by the changes? well, what if, what's a phone? i would say that the, if these impose on that there are be on file i'm going to be, i might, it's probably it'll be a majority and the non boss on the, on our side, because that if you were to get the seats of renewal at all for the young people, spouse, you know, the social demo. got. they got to move the 400 out,

those 720. so i think that the 1st that we showed the gold fee amount it brought you up beyond majority. so that concept that the, the extreme right that might, that be effective in the trying to grow some specifically this vision that really depend a mainly on the attitude on this specific business of the europe. young people spot the like the green deal, like the green deal, for instance, i would say, yeah. also, or the on the green dean. the issue now is to find the resources we've been and did . i don't think that we have, but the look toward gonzalez's vision. i think that it's so thank you for it. let's just do for him. we'll get there. now we have to focus on the resources to find them. they, it would be the investigation. i would say that the, the main issue, but what about ukraine? what about the assistance to ukraine? weapons, ammunition got. i mean, i, i, that i, i, old, but that we, we continue to take

a very strong pro grain, you know, stances on that, that it would be this stream right there. is that also going to be with the there's a lot of support must go, isn't that among the battles and then run for money in that bad. and the going to complicates the use assistance to ukraine? isn't that i don't think so because the around the end of the table in the accounts that where the government dob, i would say that the receipt of a very large majority in favor of course doing this report grade set. the lead in some votes was going to be on the bottom and either assume ride go see him that for with the proper the spouse is that seems like would be more complicated. but once again, i see that we should put that we should put the support of brain as well, the highest priority together with the fans in the new uh, the m on the role, your piano groups. and that will be on the bottom. you've talked about the need for

reform, which we've heard for years. you also want to bring in majority voting on all major issues. but the smaller countries are never going to agree to that of it. it's an old start to well, no, because the, the boss that we have managed to allowed the, the majority voting good. not to be spending that well, the fact that they will the always been is more that down to the doubt that in the union they, they, they usually that they disagree at that the, even the, from a less a be down to is more a gantries, a you have to make up your mind, you cannot be in favor of the unified, they've gone through the end of the opening the door. so to create and you know what the west and bog down. and at the same time, to resist the does it majority voting because the 2 things that do not kind of are incompatible. the more we are, the more efficient must be the voting get. they both the system and also, you know,

around that they bring that down, see that it's not that when you vote the by majority, you'll impose your decisions with the minority. when everybody knows that the, at the end of the day, we can vote by majority. everybody make the effort to, to bring the contribution and to reach a conclusion when it was gotten to know that it can be though it doesn't make any effort to look at the organ at all with sandra the gays to russia. so i think that these are easily the, and just especially with this more accounted because the big guns is some guys can do on their old board was more gun 3 needs so deadly and more power for the more effective union. mister godfrey, the president of a european commission, i sort of found a lie and says the center is holding. she comforts herself with that sort. but you have the 2 big leaders of you are a president macro and john. so the shouts of germany really fighting to regain some

kind of momentum. john, so shelters, party was beaten, adjust the price by the christian democrats, and the far right a if the 2 big leaders struggling to hold on to the careers. what effect is that going to have on europe or why i think that the now we, i but they then they, they, they key role that we have, they keep debate with be within that will be a problem. because the disagree or that the you that you will be on problem and we must be that, but this no new pro european majority. and this probably, or be a majority cause even if they were all for is that i wanted a lie and provide you that she doesn't want to. she doesn't open to the extreme right? delta v c a e c. and of those that are on the end the they keep going. i think that the but it could just me more. deadlock will delays in committee proceedings. more

hold ups. it could power lies the european parliament. these results come that know they quoted it because they don't have the numbers. and by the scale that they, we depends on the error as possible that did all the 3 main forces. i repeat your young people's bought. this was a demo, got the end to renew or europe. i think that we should open also our majority degrees provided that they get the more problematic approach all side then issues are the dorky, especially on the all the green transition. but they think that there is a possibility of having get a stable into effect the majority because and the, the good aspect of this resides the ad. there is a, there isn't the possibility of a stream right. whether much on is stormy, but the do depend on the attitude and on the consistent action of the 3 main forces. all right, sounds i've got say that seems to be asking

a lot. thank you very much for being on complex on, appreciate your to your, the, the, the

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