i was simply a spirit of optimism where we encouraged each other, so many things were suddenly imaginable. there are the most of this and make it a dream of revolution. thoughts, july 20th d, w. last year, poland stock, the trends in europe and ousted the far right flow and just this policy. so they've been in profit 8 years. but just how divided does the country remain and how wide it is? the government of the far right party emerged in the european elections as the most popular among young people, my guess this week, and also is the justice minister, adam. but now my opinion on the we are maybe a little bit, let me think this kind of, i'm a vision how to talk about liberal values, how to talk about you're up to 2 young to young voters, few countries of what's the war and ukraine more closely than poland,

which was the time and again the put in was much beyond his board is only no one. listen. what warnings does the government have for europe these days? i don't but now welcome to come pick zone a good to see you. when he won the election last year, your prime minister donald test told everyone, this is the end, the bad times. poland one democracy, one. you spoke a little too soon, didn't say democracy is actually a long way for being one in poland. isn't it? i think the idea or to solve a being in the system of the liberal and democracy or kind of a, some of your retirement system. i think it was, it was good to say those things that we are going to be back of the democratic track. and the law tools come along with of the coalition partners is guarantee that we are going into the democratic direction. but of course,

and then you're the transition requires a lot of time and energy to make it properly in order to make the democracy sustainable and long time. the factors, though, you're still battling a stage operators captured by the last government judges loyal to the last ruling party. i'm the president, the line to them whose veto you are not powerful enough to over time. so you, you have a lot of battles before you can time victory having to this show box. uh, but basically, um, i think the worst case scenario should be to say that we can adjust anything and just wait for the change of the president. so we have tore far institutions and interestingly you can make a lot of the reforms not only waiting for the adoption of the just not to fact i also by simply making like a profound, a deep discussion will. those drives as well as by making the friend personal changes as well as accountability processes a ball in these days. so. so basically that is my task on the one that has to go

follow up with. you see this all the reforms on the other hand to make the changes in those fields where it is possible to good quarter those with low. um you, i appreciate if you want to make changes and you want to know the forms, but the president and jay do has actively worked against you in january. he was in fact, sheltering in the presidential palace to form a law. and just as ministers have been convicted of abuse of par, where are you surprised that he'd go to such lengths to try to support your government? you know, i think this case was a very special one and the only one that had to utilise traits, the power of enforcement of law. on the other hand, it shows that the president was a, was basically called in a little bit like a political and east additional trop. the police know it is the verdict of the call to because mean that a given that you dance of the december 2023 after

a number of years of the gulf fights the dead tor and based on the evaluation of so called 1st pilot albany made by mister president. so interestingly, president of paul and honestly do not made a part of the already in 2015 regarding the state of washington. mr. companies. cute, although it was a part on inc, wait after the car, the 1st instance. and the interesting, the after 8 years because possible to achieve, i've already called the court of suck of it, his mouth saying that the bargaining vipers that did not matter. i understand, but it was a huge challenge to you wasn't good. i'm wondering since the president tom runs out the middle of next year. how your government will co exist with him until then. please note that in this situation, those 2 don't the order put in prison and they will release after 2 weeks of being prison after the 2nd part,

the ink of the president. did you underestimate how hard it was going to be to dismantle the operators installed by the law just as part of your, your deputy day? i'll crowd you is mer to cold, the damage to proteins, legal system, a catastrophe. it runs deep on us through stomach level. he said this isn't the task that will take months or yeah, it's going to take an, an taught term of office to undo. if you all, to keep your coalition together, you're going to have to show some results. so pretty quickly on to for this, for this process, it could be long term. i need my last for longer than just a couple of months, pleading all this stuff in the bureau power has been built over 8 years. so just these mom things this including some personal changes that come up take place just we've been a couple of weeks or holes. but i think one of the important things for us and basically that is like a huge pressure on those things is the comfortability. so the interest angle you for a number of people in polar, it does not that important wherever those institutions are working properly again

or not. but it is important that the people that were using power this were simply spending money this way of using public funds for political purposes are facing responsibility for those kinds of they've committed either about okay, oh, well they, you know, we want, we do everything in the car, those with law, but interestingly, just a couple of weeks ago, i have something me through the one the motion to lift the parliamentary immunity to one of the 2 to one of the deputy ministers. there was another motion of the preparation. there are a lot of different cases and pending. we are going to also make accountability for the so called smear, that's the case component based on these judges. so i would say that it takes time, but i think we see was over week of that. so the results of the leave, but of course the event at least thing to the shelly minute. the value is submission of the view of indictment does not mean uh,

fluid comfortability because she wants to give a, the judgement of the court of the new, the final judgment of the call. but still, i think from the point of view of the police people, the, they see that things are going on, that things are going fall off. it is already acquired in photos for the our perspective on what is happening right now in poland. one of president, dude, as advisors said that removing the 3000 judges appointed during the previous government's 10, you could cause huge legal problems and could undermine huge numbers of rulings that they've made. she's life isn't i think the, you mean most of the appropriate companies. yes. i do, yes, yes, said the chief of the test salary of the president of the of course use right. but the reason all of the dispatchers will do is just use quite a differentiate that some of them are so called a name them rookie charges. so the objective score are for his graduates of the school of, for admission of the, of the national school for just sharing prosecution services. and they didn't have

an opportunity then just to become judges open limitation of the national council of judiciary. some of the are the people that made a choice of the candidates for hire judicial positions by this national accounts? you have to be sure. so i think, but why don't we, my task is to find like the best way to make a bad thing of those judges. and 2nd, to make those with this bad thing and such a way as not to undermine and finally to objectives of having issues will be reached by with the participation. because if we were to show it, i know that all the documents you should buy them, then of course it would mean a cost in the system. so that's why it is the issue that requires a deep reflection. that i'm going to ask the vice commission for the, the deep um, evaluation of with different procedures sort of, i think of judges. and i know that i have to meet here like to a conflicting values on do i tend to get to show the independence of the i tend to

do the show and the ghost ability and pull it. but there is a danger that your reference that reform could cause chaos and actually power lies to adjust the system goods you there is always such always bugging me. you know, there is, there is the reason why we should predict the outcome of things. and we shouldn't go to quickly with those changes and seconds, you know, here we know that width was the president with this prison, then we cannot make any betting of judges because he claims that all that you to show me day shows that were way raheem are valid and we've out and it said that are in or uh, or maybe without it, if laws as complex to the position of the court of justice of the you and the repeat, called acumen the right. both courts claim that there is a flaw industry to show limitation, so we have to rebut this law, but that's why we need to have some time, you know that to make like a proper process of letting up those dentist, mr. but now despite your election, when poland remains deeply divided doesn't,

doesn't last is election. your civic coalition actually got few a votes from the lord. justice coalition, 6600000 to 7600000. a move of 30 percent of the electric didn't support. i have a block since i prefer the smaller parties, not very encouraging. was it? and i think that the, you know, we are very satisfied with the result of the problem into our elections. i think nobody believes in the success of the democratic colleagues, sion, i think right now whenever you're after local elections and the repeating permanent directions, we have like deeper reflection on what people expect. of course police politics is very divided and we see still quite strong position of that and just about the and also some, let's say out there not the right week of the pop these but it, but i think, you know, i would ask you simply tool believe a on differently forms that we have to think about snowball the level of i don't say about that if jp last rights and women's rights to the but i think what is for

me personally and both of these that we should take about some level of homeless the integrity profession, lollies and with the public life. so you know, all different a spouse is of my work. i tried to show that that i knew come back those polices with respect to those basic principles of openness, transparency and dignity minister. the you mentioned the european elections, your group beat law and justice, but only just to get to send 21 and the piece the brussels. but they'll send 20 less than last time, but only one seat behind you. because of the show that your democracy, at least for now is a pretty fragile construct. and a lot of the country doesn't support you, especially your liberal attitudes on issues like abortion, and same sex marriage that has to limit your scope from a move. uh does this i think it is. uh, i think there was, you know,

this kind of approach before you repeat that, actions that the parties that are forming their willing coalition should not create the values these topics in the politics that were shown in law's, in the discussion regarding control and include those topics that are not only dividing lines between the early part the but also and, and the justice, but also that there are like different scopes. and there are the different views of those issues by part is forming the early college. but i think right now it's clear that we have to believe that we have to make different changes. so for example, right now we've up to date, we have some a novice, serious discussion concerning, same sykes registered with partnerships. maybe we will, we will not have the same sex marriage yet, but for sure there is, um, i think we are getting closer to i dropped the law and the site is like the same sites. the registrar department, she maybe the during the recognition because right now you can make a correction of agenda by view each of the partners with us. but we do have like

a proper lady saw the procedure for this. and surely, we have to put morning thousands on the respect for women's rights. the bad news for you in the european elections was the fact that the euro skeptic confederation, and much as the most popular party in poland, among young boats as the 18 to 29 years old. how much does that, what are you a big, you know, i'm worried because of the, i think the judge, we should talk to an got generation and using their perspective, their language and the way of thinking. and in my opinion, although we are maybe a little bit, let me think this kind of a vision of how to talk about liberal values, how to talk about you're up to 2 young, the young voters, you know, just, i would just give you an example. you know, i'm at 47. i remember when you know that to cross the bulk of poland, you'll have to, you know, have passed towards these eyes when it was not that easy when you know,

and it where the so called away from country was regarded as a kind of a miracle for us okay, if you look into the ration, they don't even know what is the password about, okay? they are just traveling from even more simple barcelona, we just with id, you know, they don't, they don't understand what, what is like the real added value of the opinion. you know, what is that is the value of the free exchange of goods or a move by the people in the opinion these giving us a sense of security. so, you know, if you have a better to, and you breath we've this every day, you don't feel the necessity of taking care about this app. this should be clean and such a if i want it is much easier for writing policies to kind of create a feeling of via the danger or even to make some, you know, quite a propaganda type of argumentation. and that is much more attractive to the young uh, voters. you mentioned the european union in january. you said the union was extremely

important for both of them. brussels is an instrument for good and the destroyer. so we have a great loyalty to it. but this loyalty didn't extend rarely to the use reformed asylum. a migration policy, the new pots has its no, you're simply repeated the same veto as the previous government will protect poland against the relocation mechanism is how donald tusk bought it so much for the promise to reset the relations. this is only a partial reset, isn't that i would say we have a full reset. come, you know, uh for me, from my perspective when you rejected the fact you reject about police with a noise. let me tell uh, what i'm think about. okay. um, and from my perspective being the minnesota justice and the you might need from the you recovery plan has been unblock. that's the 1st drink. second article 7 of the treaties. nothing any longer in use regarding fall then the so basically there are

no if we got into the country and always there is a serious risk off of the undermining of the, of the rule of law i think with as a little and migration package. it's quite a few of use an argument presented by the police government that basically poland is only because accepted a more than one medium refugees from ukraine. we're picking up by the end of the a fullest inc and the refugees, we are picking up by the football team to what you felt in the ukraine. and basically there was the political argument behind the decision on the assignment of the migration. i understand that, but in, in v towing menu packed to upset the same human rights organizations that used to work closely with you when you were human rights on boards. month especially says published border guards are once again being accused of mistreating migraines and pushing them back illegally the refugee charity. they also laney, a foundation code. your government stands shameful and said to continue the policy

of law. and just as most people run away and dotted offloading from violent war and persecution, they have the button, i wouldn't have put up with that with a i know um, please know that. uh i participate quite often in uh, in different meetings of, uh, different internal bodies within the government that includes security with the boldest security with 10 of us. and then i'm also taking into account what is happening on the ball the in the context of the wall of the water rush, immigration on, on you. right. and 1st we don't, ended out, did the situation that the typical situation at the boulder is the result of so close to close hybrid war, which is instigated by the russian by those uh, regarding uh, the end. yeah, i mean the aims, the words, the subsidies, ation of the situation is such countries as, as,

as bullet. but you're all accused of a legal push backs. no, but, but to and 2nd fee can know quite the majority of people that are crossing double the i'm not interested in thinking poland, but they are just interested in moving forward to and to jump money on top of that you, you kind of just so they don't go on to event to be registered and i know that with respect to those one wants to be registered the we would like to stay and pull that then to seek for the international uh, uh, the protection that companies they are soft with the appropriate. okay. and uh, and they can stay in, in, in poland. you said that, but human rights watch demanded in march that you got access to the published asylum procedure for foreigners who are seeking it, repeal unlawful border regulations that legalize push backs and stop criminal prosecution. and the harassment of civil society activists trying to help asylum seekers at the border is all that too much to ask. i think the police google mines

is blink. every single it should be done. you know, the to put a proper balance between the needs of the police security and the right and the respect for, for the month of the rights of both seeking for the protection and the old out them . but now would have been satisfied with that would be as i said, i be the minutes. so just is a, i still called the police, you have the government take this field. let's look if we made a russian activities in problem. the prime minister announced my interest to people, alleged of profit acts of sabotage and poland and co ordination with russian intelligence. do you have a solid case against these people? no, i am the prosecutor general. uh, and i know some of those cases, you know, uh, i might be one of those cases which was quite interesting from many different than goals. he to is a plot concerning getting access to the different security procedures and the information regarding the apple tv special and the guide. because being uh, caught,

uh, was the guy cooperating with the g r u. and basically this whole action was possible . thanks for the cooperation of the police and ukrainian stretch services as well as police in the cranium, prosecutors of so we are you being russians, military intelligence, excuse me, g. i mean you obviously military intelligence because they may have some freedom by the rush. um, uh, the address and you know, and those cases that were about putting fire in different places. they were also cases a light like this is the one where i think one of the most important cases was the case of the near brooks. well, where the guy was going to put the fire under the factory of paints painting materials. unfortunately, because we stopped before doing this by the police, but the police decrypts services. so, you know, he does quite a new phenomenon for us that we have that kind of new cases, all eskoville nation,

poland, you know, and for us also what is quite important in your end and very radical one is that one of the police jobs has decided to every great from poland and mr. thomas freshman and he became a he started to cooperate with the barbershop and the new forces. so he goes mean immediately expands from the to show the, the position. and he has been that the, the price of them on the, of the, to the show, the minute deals right now. there is a repeating the restore. and after he, you should, let's talk about the war in ukraine. if we may, um, from your vantage point, what are the chances you crime will lose that? and you know, i think that i what extent that my company tends to comment on such a issues. please note that i do, i deal with a lot of issues, but i'm still most of just the prosecutor general, but i'm not the many. so for me,

in the 1st, or i'm not that political or jo, political strategist, or i'm always, you talk totally about the hybrid war. the russia is waging in poland. is this in your view, stand the kremlin interference. so part of a bigger plan? yes i, i know that you would like for me to, to, to, to hear from me some more with general um argumentation regarding uh that is about to you know, uh that is the reason we have a great experience on those issues miss, but that other stuff she called us key, who has a deep knowledge about international relations and the spending of the, of the, the friends rushing. i'm an employee, i says, but you know, some of the cases of the 9 who'd be interested in. but maybe i will just talk to you about one more fee because i think it should be important. you know, one of the important thing sheet ease of this government and the department is still gonna have to disclose the creation of a special committee. kind of my advisory body to investigate different forms of

rush. so if lawyers on police file, then this company to help and create adjust the weeks ago, it is composed of experts from different fields from a for in the relations uh from, uh, uh, on the this information uh economy. uh and, and the economy side. uh, there also lawyer seen this and he does grow and i think it uh, its rowe could be quite interesting to evaluate what are the, of the possibilities of a mouthful throb of the, of the listing the police. i believe these court so for example, i see that there is a lot of these information that the spreading quite easily and the police, these cars that could be a result of the ration applause are we can see that there are, there were some activities to have a deeper influence on the energy sector on different fields of economy. so i think

it's quite impulsively my opinion. i mean, the conflicts of the police debate, you still kind of look deeply into different forms and my thoughts. oh, russian influence on a daily political life. this committee that you talked about, how long does it's about what it's saying. and poland, excuse me, i'm asking this committee that you mentioned, which is monitoring russian activities in poland. how long is it? it's about what it's saying. so i don't know yet what could be the result of the work of this company? it has been just, it has just started the walk about there is a, there was a strong pressure by the prime ministers on those by to me still being tardy or add to that this committee will to be quite a, to the how the wall kink and powerful in terms of seeking welding the spread science because i think is that sometimes we do not appreciate to what extent i

don't know some few ways of looking at one of those who nor i. architects of the 0 you out of the optic vision of the world are later on try to translate that into the daily politics of the new friend you and member states including their opponents or how different methods of these information are used on the daily a database so somebody if you take, is that the, what this company called have also something bolton's fall of a new countries just to, to look at what, what are the potential and actual ways, how people have seeing that public discourse in different countries at the bottom. uh, thank you very much for being on complex. uh, i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much. so thank you. thank. thank you. the,

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