the the, this is the w news. why from berlin? dozens are killed in strikes on tank camps in southern gaza, close to a red cross field hospital that was flooded with casualties. emergency workers, shea, the plas, happened just outside an area that is real deans to be safe. also coming up a massive russian aerotech targets powered infrastructure across the ukraine facilities and lived even the west and separation. it in the southeast or damage with several workers injured. the

and welcome to you of yours around the world. michael. okay. we start in gaza where the him off fled. health authority says at least 25 people have been killed and another 50 wounded by is really showing on a camp for displaced people near the southern city of ruffled relatives of those killed in one of the strikes knew a red cross field hospital say is really forces fired a 2nd time and that last killed people who were coming out of their tents. israel's military says the incident is under review and is looking into potential strikes at the locations reported by emergency workers. and meanwhile, israel says it has carried out a number of strikes on has blood targets across the border in southern lab or not. the israeli army says the strikes were in retaliation for attacks carried out by run back militia in northern israel. since the october 7 terror attacks and israel subsequent war with a moss,

there had been daily clashes between these really army hezbollah and allied groups in the border area between israel and 11, the united nations secretary general. antonio gutierrez says, he's deeply concerned about the cross border hostility. the risk for the conflict seems to be the least. why that is real. must be avoid is when rational, when miscalculation. cool thing is that a catastrophe that goes far beyond the bar of this. and frankly, beyond imagination, let's be clear, is the people of the region and the people of the wills cannot afford 11 on to become another god. so let's talk more about all this with my wrap is only showing in tel aviv she works for the international crisis group and n g o with the self imposed goal of preventing wars worldwide. welcome to dw, let me start with my 1st question. you just heard that stark warning from the un

secretary general. the world in short, can't afford another garza in lab and on. how close are we to that right now the hi, michael, thanks for having a in some ways. we've been close to that for nearly 9 months now since police by the opened up a 2nd front after the hamas attack. and like you said, any miscalculation at any moment, you could strike a bigger war. and i think it's important to keep in mind that we've been at this daily for 8 months, and it's remarkable that it hasn't deteriorated into a more escalation that i think that's a testament to the fact that neither side is interested in an all out war. so the question is, how do we get the quiet? and i think at this point, even if israel doesn't like it, it is a link to a cease fire. and guys, which is something that as well as the leader has refused to do even to get the hostages back. but at this point in time to spell, that has been quite clear that that would be the prerequisite for at least the

beginning of a defacto quiet on the northern border. and until that happens, we will continue to be in a situation at any point in time. it could break out further escalation has, of course, is allied with a mouse in the gaza strip, but is considered much more powerful. how would a war with has beula differ from the one we're all watching in real time with a much it would be absolutely devastated for both sides. um, it was a devastating war in 2006 uh for both sides, but primarily in lebanon. and please by law has a mast itself, a huge amount of precise weaponry and munitions. and it has been testing out those weapons in israel and testing as well as defense systems. and frankly, also after 8 months of war, uh on to friends is ro is not really prepared, i think, for, for this kind of escalation. and it's also a question, what, what did a cheve, if it did, evaded love and on. and how long would that last?

but either way, you know, israel has promised to destroy the route. please bella has said that it could invade the gallery, which is a norther israel, but it wouldn't be catastrophic for both sides. and the situation in which you already have displaced persons. you already have people being injured, being killed. and it would be possibly also a wider regional war that us could be dragged in. it would be a disaster. my rap this past week in washington. you are a secretary of state entity blinking, spelled out the paradox of this conflict, quite simply. it's a war, nobody wants, not. israel not has a bla and certainly not the lebanese. so why never the less are we heading in that direction at least as well as things please bala has decided to link the to friends. and i think that that link is now cemented and israel a understands, but it needs to decide how it wants to position itself. and so far it has allowed

the operation in gaza despite the fact that it has made no strategic breakthrough to continue even at the expense of what's happening on its northern border. even without providing any kind of plan or timeline for the 10s of thousands of citizens who want to go back to their homes. so, you know, i think this is partly, it's definitely the honest as a lot of things by law and on the axis of resistance, which has decided that it will keep up the pressure on israel as long as it is it hostilities in gaza. but it's also on israel to decide on a strategic plan and a policy for the future security of, of its, of its citizens. this is something that has to do also with its occupation and continued military control over the palestinian people, which is something but many countries in the middle east are not willing to tolerate. but also in terms of how is rel, understands its future if it wants to continue with. or if it wants to try at least to pursue a positive diplomacy, right, which it hasn't done for

a very long time. that's a my rafa is on shine intel to be from the international crisis group. really appreciate your time and your perspective. thank you. to ukraine now and a fresh wave of rushing drone and missile attacks on ukraine's energy infrastructure overnight injuring at least to energy workers. you're creating an official se, the attacks targeted facilities and those after review and leave regions. they say ukraine's air defense system shot down 12 of the 16 missiles and all 13 drones launched by russia. it was the 2nd major strike this week after missiles hit, the city of cruz a week. and odessa on friday i asked military analyst the frank language about the strategic advantages that russia aims through t by targeting ukraine's energy infrastructure. but i think because as most of us will note with them, but this is positive, a long campaign conducted by the russian at both is around space courses against

ukraine's power generation. before i go on, it's well worth mentioning, that the crazy power system is very resilient. most of it has nuclear power, but more than hoss, that won't be tough. so you kind of always retain that cool. literally that causes power. but recently, in particular, over the last couple of months, rushed as a great success in the conventional pilot. got talk you credential, pos station, notably typically a pos station sought. the tier completely destroyed on several others including an attack last night. and it seems to be quite well tactically conducted by the russian russians. for, besides, i think from long range bombers and diversions from shaw heats, producing some degree of damage. what is possible long come pay to purposes 1st to undermine ukraine's cook capability is a state to support his military and deborah and secondly of cost to undermine so they didn't around both costs, go through the lot to objective. it's disastrously failing in the for damaging the

pol capacity. it's, it's unfortunately counting some effects. frankie mentioned that ukraine's energy infrastructure is resilient, but we should remind viewers just to give them some perspective that this is now the 8th massive attack on ukraine's energy infrastructure. in the past 3 months, what measures is ukraine taking to protect this infrastructure? because a casual observer might question those message, those measures according to a presidency. lensky, half of the countries power facilities have already been destroyed, to step off of the profit. so there's a bit of tact that many of them now being repaired for many, many years. you're crazy and suffering a tax on his power struct enough. certainly with the kinetic of exposure, the tax lock over the last 18 months or so. process cyber attacks. and it's developed immense expertise and dealing with these things very quickly. what's happening over the last night to point out michael over the last 3 months is that

the kinetic concise and we saw the types of big, much more consistent that they paraphrased to be crated. defense isn't how much more success or not really power cuts, which really didn't cost so much before. but of course it's highlights the need for, for increased more dense and defensive. because all these attacks come from me sized off of massages, essentially not going to say pumps and another to the range for that for this science. and that highlights it's urgent. priority need for top plus a defensive ukraine's. i'm your dish, depend somebody's run off the cliff. the laughter end of last year is run out to ex soviet. it was very successful, very robust, but they just run out of it. so the old, the very great dependence. now, on western supply and defense systems, you'll patriots in a subject areas t and of course more low, more short rate stuff. and we'll see the results with a lot of that. because you can only have so many you've got so many platforms need to prioritize. sometimes you need to be at the front and they're just very

stretched with it. and so you get this kind of damage taking place. frank, you might very well be leading into my, my, my last issue here. how crucial is international military and financial support in helping you create protective sensitive infrastructure and what specific data is most needed right now? would it be anything towards the air defenses? yes, i think that's the part of it. and i think with the creative general stuff and indeed present. so let's get his stuff would, would agree of said, so what's happened over the past few months? he claims become more, more depend on western defense. so we took a hit, particularly the highly effective patriot and a subs which is a noise in american system. i know it's, but especially patriot, which is which, which has pretty much the highest success rate and was only yesterday the americans designed it announced that what they were doing now was prioritizing the delivery of pages not to contract countries within the contract to, to deliver them but the newly rolled off,

besides dot said to set this on systems will be go straight to you, craig, is it ask you a said he wants 25 boxes. that's a 180 loads at all, so they haven't got anything like that. most of this important between how they got about 6 boxes, so that needs to be beefed up and thrive, being made that those efforts. so i pointed off a while over you must to slot. that's a military analysts or frank language as always, many, many thanks. right. thanks, michael. a brief look now at some of the other stories making news around the world . german economy administer, robert ha, back has told chinese officials that propose european union tariffs on chinese made electric cars are not a punishment visiting beijing ha back said the plan levies were meant to level the playing field in the face of excessive subsidies. chinese companies have called for retaliation. a widespread blackout has caused chaos across the mountains with several countries reporting power outages that last in several hours. the loss of

electricity caused shots to close and traffic jams in several major cities. authorities in montenegro, albania, and pause. now say extreme heat lead to a spike in energy consumption that triggered the outage. this united states as impose sanctions on a dozen executives of the russia based cyber security from casper ski lab. the announcement comes a day after washington unveiled plans to ban us sales of the companies antivirus software on national security grounds. the commerce department said an investigation had found that caspar skis operations were vulnerable to russian government influence. and the company's access to sensitive data could be exploded by moscow for cyber attacks. guess burske says it will appeal the kremlin has accused washington of unfair competition. as we ask you, professor of id security law dentist kenzie kicker about the risk of this anti

virus software. yes. so if you look at the communication of all of your, our society, so you can see that we are primarily talking about a lot of political assumptions and with that of course peers. so there's a couple less about what has happened in the past regarding cyber security and data privacy issues. it's more about what's to be feared in the future from a technical perspective. fan in germany, for example, it's a federal information security office abuse. i a, some most important cyber security, all sorts of jeremy. that's also a warrant about conspiracy in the past. in the year 2022. that serious consequences could occur. it's a software continues to be used to it. but so far, technically speaking of nothing has happened. so we are therefore talking a lot about risks here at about um, hypothetical possibilities and it's also to mention them that in the us we do not see at the moment the whole band of the software itself. but it's mostly about the cust best,

the anti virus software which may no longer be offered on the us market. so to say some companies sent and will ended their bye for now will be have more news for you at the beginning of the next hour. the, the coming 0 sent excels 3 trans people. stories is kind items that feed us complex stores and some, some sort of additional chip in search of the settlement for 3 generations lunch, any thoughts? july 7th, on dw, the .