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for fire full palestinians, including a child among the latest victims of his riley selling on central gauze on monday. and with that, you're all up to date of next planet a looks that year's big bed on hydrogen the ground for that. really thank you so much for your company. by the one of mankind's oldest ambitions could be within reach. what is it really is possible to reverse the researches and scientists all over the world for in a race against time? they are peers and rivals with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it. on youtube dw
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documentary, the u. s. e u lead us how to safe the climate and the last few years. they sound like a broken record. it is the dawn of the clean hydrogen air and the hydrogen here of hydrogen economy. because oxygen brooks clean hydrogen trailblazer, and with hydrogen, we can make it happen. okay, i think you get to just, europe is getting pretty ambitious about cleaning up its economy by 2050 that comes with implants to reach net 0 emissions. this means replacing the oil, the policy repeating carlos to a tipping point. and yeah, on the surface hydrogen sounds pretty great. by the way, you might want to check out a previous video on hydrogen covering a lot of the basics and solids. you can make it from the newburgh that expressed it to you with no greenhouse gas emissions. and then the rhetoric leap,
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use it to clean up all kinds of things, from cars and trucks and planes, and ships to steal making and electricity production to heating. this is the principal has a very good story from your perspective, this as much as book who helps the europe team as and leading energy transition, think tank. and he says a pod from its climate credentials. there was another reason that you fell in love with hydrogen and we have used up, well, it fossil fuels in the past. and now we are highly dependent on fossil fuel to boats to keep to your pain economy running, renew, but hydrogen has for some time being part of kind of trying to. so now it was, but it also has the benefits that we can most likely produce of domestic. he skipped to 2022. when this became even more relevant, russia invaded ukraine and ended up cutting much of its natural gas supply to europe. russel's got to work again and lifted
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a tighter than targets with 10000000 tons of renewable hydrogen, produced annually in the european union by 2030 and another. 10000000 tons in annual imports. and dcs a huge advantage of hydrogen to come out in a very short span of time. sylvia pastorelli is an energy and climate container with green peas in europe. so the question is, how realistic all the sees of tape a lot is happening. there are industry plans for tens of thousands of kilometers of dedicated hydrogen pipelines, many of which made it onto the use projects of common interest list, which means the eligible for subsidies and prospect planning. in fact, 65 of the 166 projects on that list of hydrogen related, including quite a few electrolyzer switch, you need to make hydrogen from renewable electricity. and then this to your p and commissions hydrogen bank, handing out hundreds of millions of zeros and subsidies to produces. but despite
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all this, not much is actually happening. what, costanza don't only a few pipelines, for example, in the poll, defrauded and in terms of production capacity in 2023, the way around. 213 megawatts of operational electrolytes, us according to an industry study, to produce the envision 10000000 tons by 2030. we'd need about 600 times more. reality is lagging behind the use big plants. and there's a reason for that. hydrogen is not the miracle solution is your lead us would like it to be as we've established green hydrogen is made from renewable electricity. and this means that we need to also build a loftus mold. it more than your books. we need to have lots more solar panels, wind farms being put in place. the problem is this, though. hydrogen is not the most efficient way of using this energy. take cos to power hydrogen cars, you 1st need to convert renewable energy and to hydrogen. then transport this
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hydrogen to a refilling station and pump it into the ca that uses a fuel cell, a device that converts it back to electricity that drives the vehicle. some energy is lost with every step along the way and only about 30 percent of the energy you put in make sense of the wheel. battery, electric cos i just much more efficient using close to 80 percent of the energy that goes in. the same goes for hydrogen bored as to heat buildings. by the time the hydrogen has been produced, transported in funds that you've lost half of the energy and electric heat pump. on the other hand, moves around 3 times more heat than energy you put in, making it 270 percent efficient. to run these things on hydrogen, we'd have to be able to weigh more wind turbines and solar panels. and this means in relatively expensive process compounds to the diet use of electricity. this doesn't mean hydrogen is completely useless though. we need some hydrogen and some thoughts of to,
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to this. we don't need hydrogen across the board. so where possible directly using electricity is the way to go and where it struggles we can pull back from hydrogen, but we should use it as possibly as possible. hydrogen has been defined as the champagne of energy. if something expensive, it's not for every day. it's for the special locations. this makes the use plants look pretty overblown. but it's not the only problem with them. another is that switching things over to a hydrogen is called. we don't have very much experience in large scale or long distance hodges in transportation. so we, we need more experience on that. this is such a piano and who's co off at the study and how hydrogen can be moved from a to be a popular idea is to simply push it through existing natural gas pipelines. well, that's not as easy as it sounds odd on it's been got done with in. so passed
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a very different properties for hydrogen. it's not very small. molecule does kind of cost charlie and cheese for pipeline materials. in fact, it's the smallest molecule on that means it can slip into tiny cracks in the pipeline. still make it more brittle and the worst case crickets. so pipelines need to be tested and potentially refurbished before carrying hydrogen. that's quicker and cheaper than building new dedicated titles on pipelines. but it's still a big investment. even 8, the pipeline itself is going by the tide of 10 theories, owners, i need for some upgrades. so we need to change one of the compressor ser mid, getting a gas dixon and the why sees you might have heard the term h to reading in relation to this, but also 2 other pieces of gas infrastructure like an g terminals or power plants. it suggests they can be easily switched to run on hydrogen in the future. but they're actually huge difference is how much hydrogen they can handle. you know,
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some of the definitions that the floating around the hydrogen ready anywhere between a 100 percent and 100 percent. so at this point, we don't have an established calling understanding what hydrogen ready means and stands for depending on where on the scale a piece of equipment sits, that might need substantial refitting after all, before it can carry pure hydrogen like you, you have a diesel car you wouldn't cold, that's the last 3 could read the car just because you can use the shot of the car issue as have to end up getting the entire time on that. that's the same principle and of course if wouldn't do it. and that's the same for hydrogen. and even if something's a 100 percent hydrogen ready, that's doesn't mean it will be running on hydrogen any time soon. or at least not on green hydrogen. that's because that's close to no green hydrogen available, and that's not likely to change soon. across the repeating unit, only 0.2 percent of dedicated production is made from electrolysis. almost the
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entire rest is gray hydrogen made from fossil fuels, mainly natural gas, which creates lots of c o 2 emissions. and this lack of green hydrogen opens up to scenarios in which hydrogen could actually end up hurting the climate rather than saving. that's the 1st is that europe keeps building gas infrastructure that's supposedly h to ready. but since there's no green hydrogen available, it keeps getting used for natural gas, which should be on its way out. and the 2nd this that's, that's a very high risk that it will be using hydrogen which is either great or not properly do. now, blue hydrogen is also made from natural gas. and what's different is that produces claim. they have to carbon on a massive scale before it reaches the atmosphere and then store it. but t as cold, it's not properly blue because the technology behind this hasn't been chosen to properly work at scale. at this point in time, is very,
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very limited. it's technical capacity to types of carbon and to it to produce hydrogen that is acceptable from account protection perspective. meaning if we rely on blue hydrogen, we extend the life of natural gas and create emissions in the process once again and exactly what hydrogen was supposed to help of what we wanted to hear, what the industry have to say about this. so we contact the titles in europe, an association that counts fossil fuel made just like shell, be p in total energy, some moments members. unfortunately, they never responded. keep them in mind any way they'll make another appearance in a 2nd. it's the natural gas industry that's been pushing the idea of building more infrastructure and making blue hydrogen to show the hydrogen process. and it's easy to see why they see in hydrogen the lifeline of of their business while everyone is talking about the carbone icing. and how to leave with a fossil fuels. they see this as the perfect way of continuing their business. and
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that leads us to one big reason why these you win so big on hydrogen. fossil fuel companies have been making the case for it and brussels for, in other words, loving it. it's really good to go pick an important role. hoford's you observatory and, and you'll come through lobby registers. they found that out of the 100, the biggest lobby groups in the u. 25 pass. and one way or another, advocated for hydrogen in brussels. among them you find many fossil fuel matress, but also some trade groups and organizations. hydrogen year of the one who didn't get back to us is consider the most influential representing more than 500 members . many of these included this is it c e o, you'll go shut. see, my talk is sitting next to the left on the line, the head of the european commission. we presented the hybrids in europe for, you know, each other very well. and this the same breaking on the pub cost, how the commission in 2020, adopted the 2 times 40 gigawatts,
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production targets hydrogen. europe was pushing full then $1.00 to $1.00 into the hydrogen strategy. they went through all the figures sense a week's lane. yes. this is not just the fantasy, we have a whole a bunch of industrial pump is what underpin this and they, fremont solely presented the strategy and you will find the time for 2 times forward to deal with in trying to invest strategy. brussels loves the hydrogen, and hydrogen loves the brussels european decision. make curious commission, or they're very, very happy to meet with them. so the general excuse is they have the expertise definitely called us, we need to talk to them. but of course they're there to serve their own interest. so way to solve that leave us. well, hydrogen is part of the solution, but no silver bullet. if it's the roll gets over hyped, it can lead to expensive, inefficient and even climate damaging choices. the european commission does seem to be back tracking and the most recent climate scenario that predicts $3000000.00
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tons of green hydrogen would be produced in the you and 2013, which is a lot less than the 10000000 tons by set us the official target. this could be a sign that the hydrogen hype is starting to crumble, and reality is taking over. now, what do you think, dispatching big on hydrogen the way to go? oh, is it just the destruction? let us know the comments and don't forget to hit subscribe because we have more videos like this for you. every friday. the the business view will tell you happy that we are back to the story. we have a getting a visa is more difficult than finding gold hosted to use the dream force and
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