so very much depends on who you ask. julian assault has polarized the world for almost 2 decades for the longest time, from behind bars or hold up in the ecuadorian embassy in london. now the wiki leaks founder is heading home for 5 years in british prison. sanchez struck a plea deal with washington over one of the largest leaks of classified documents and us history. it's a victory for those who have been tirelessly campaigning for his release. but pleading guilty under the espionage act could set a dangerous precedent for journalists around the world. i'm nichol fairly chamberlain and this is the day the it's a will end of the motion. i mean on the elated the cases great don't for to look. he's been arbitrarily deprived of his liberties for more than 13 years. so this is

a very long time coming. there's nothing to be gained but he's continued incarceration and we want him brought onto a strike. it's just incredible. i don't know. i kind of feels like it's not real also on the day the pressure on the palestinians of east jerusalem is, is really authorities demolish homes. they say were billed illegally as high as the mobile. they demolished my life and why didn't my pocket stone or my mother was here and then she gave birth to me. here. under this rubble, there was a 50 year old picture of me and my mother comes in. i'm and you know, there is nothing that can bring that back. uh, we are the amenities these if we wanted to, to create a environmental of pushing them out. we would not invest. so welcome to the sho. julian massage is free. that is how his platform, wikileaks announced the end of

a year's long stand off between the former hacker and the white house. as on she spends more than 10 years battling attempts to prosecute him for revealing classifying us documents. that publication made him a hero to some but left him, reviled by others. whichever way people see is on its cost in years of his freedom . now in a turn of events that surprised money, both sides have agreed to a plea deal that will allow songs to walk free. he admits to violating the espionage act in return of a sentence of time already served in a british jail. a 14 year fight for freedom is finally. that's an end. after julianna's sons' agreed to a us plea deal, he bolted a plane, a monday, bound for the us, terry tray of the know the marianna islands in the pacific that will go on to return. the once fugitive to his native australia. his brother said the family was

overwhelmed as a base thinking to him this week and just going through all the details with him and you know, a very anxious, very excited and he's looking forward to spending time with his family and, and been for a being able to have the sun shine on on his i see that the go for a swim in the ocean back in australia. so it's very much looking forward to that for over a decade. the australian hawk attend whistle blower has divided public opinion haled as a champion of free, pressed by many condemned as a trade to buy his detractors. it was in 2010. he became world famous. after his company weekly published a tribe of files and diplomatic cables. they included a video of an attack fight,

an american apache helicopter, any rock but left 11 dead, including 2 journalists. and for some his actions with a hallmark of a free press, 3 description of what it put so many of those the link. so nothing short of treason and the song, an enemy of the states. and down here, a swedish arrest warrant for right and sexual assault. so assange take refuge in london's ecuadorian embassy. he would stay there for the next 7 years. this is a victory by the time and kudos president, we vote sanchez, asylum status. it was united states where he was a wanted mom he fiercely faulty is extradition to the us from inside of british prison. but the plea deal means a song while

a controversial will at last. be a free mon. it is and i'm pleased to welcome demille jeffery. he's the executive director of the night 1st amendment institute at columbia university in new york. welcome to the day to meal that i want to ask you about the deal. and the sanchez agreed to in just a minute, but 1st your reaction to the fact that he's no longer in jail? well, i mean it's the resolution of a very long saga. i'm sure that it's a great relief to, to him. and his supporters, my guess is it's also a relief to the bind administration, but i suppose we'll have to wait to see what happens in court before i'm assuming that we've got all the facts right. there have been mixed reactions to the fact that his deal would include an admission of guilt under the espionage act. what could that mean for press freedom or? yeah, i think it's a little bit complicated. i mean, in some ways, it's a very good thing for press freedom that this case has been resolved in this way.

you know, what we were really worried about was a judicial ruling from the united states, from a us for that said that the solicitation of government secrets and the publication of government secrets violates the espionage jackson isn't protected by the 1st amendment. if we had got that kind of ruling from a court in the united states, in this case, they would have had really far reaching implications progress freedom because those kinds of things. so listed in government secrets and publishing government secrets are things that journalists do all the time. i need to do all the time if they're going to play the role that are democracies need them to buy. so we have avoided that. you know that, that possibility, which is a very good thing boss. we do have this plea agreement now in which i mean, i saw and is agreeing to your pleading to one account under the espionage act. you know, admitting that he violated the law by doing again,

the things that journal was due all the time. so they'll be this document that says that assigned. i was sentenced to 5 years in prison. your time, sir, but 5 years in prison for having done these things that i know that again our, our central depressed freedom. so that's a, that's a, uh, you know, a real real issue. and i think it means that the case will continue to have an effect on press freedom, not just in the united states, but even abroad. and it'll task to kind of shadow. and you know, for the foreseeable for the foreseeable future. but reporters without borders of called us a long overdue victory for journalism and press freedom. uh you don't agree with them then. and i think it's more complicated than that. you know, i think it's a victory for us on it may be a victory for the bind administrating as well. it's a good thing that we avoid additional ruling in this case, on the scope of the espionage act. and it's spelled with the 1st amendment because

nobody knows what that ruling might have said. but again, we do have, i saw a green that he served 5 years and in custody. because he engaged in these apps and these acts and this particular case are soliciting government secrets. publishing government secrets, the kinds of things that use organizations do every day and need to do every day. you can't pull government officials to account if you don't publish government secrets, you can't just tell the stories. the government officials want you to tell if you're going to be a real journalist, as you, as you know. what do you think has led president joe biden to sign off on this as well? it's worth remembering that it wasn't defined administrators and that initiated this case. it was the trump administration, and the trump administration filed the environment after the obama administration had concluded that the press freedom implications were just too significant and it couldn't justify charging assigned, given that

a victory against designs would mean a very significant curtailing of oppressed freedom. but the trumpet industry just went ahead because it saw the curtailment of press freedom as a kind of feature rather than a bugs um and then the bind administration pursued as andras expedition. but the bind administration, i don't think was ever very enthusiastic about this case. they didn't want this to be part of their legacy. they didn't want to create a precedent that could be used against say, then your time to the wall street journal tomorrow. and so my guess is that the binding ministration will be very happy to have this case behind it. yeah. as long as the critics took great issue with wiki leaks, releasing non redacted military secrets, claiming the potential risk that could have posted the people involved. how do you feel about that part of his work? yeah, i mean i, i don't want to defend everything that julian assigns did, or that would be weeks to say that, did you know if i had been the editor,

what do you except those particular times, i don't think i would have made the same publication decisions spot news organizations may use judgments all the time and we can least made news judgments. and you know, the real question i think is, what would it mean if the government to prosecute an organization on the basis that it solicited government secrets and published the secrets? because that's really the question is presented by the environment. there is this important debate 3 had i think about whether those news judgments were the right ones were defensible ones, but i think all ones, i think that's an important debate. but i think the legal question presented by the case is much narrower. the legal question is, can somebody be thrown in prison for asking government officials to share secrets and then for publishing go secrets? and i think the answer to that has to be, no, it's not. no, it's a real problem for, for journalist. yeah. if it doesn't, what signal does this,

this entire saga that now looks like it's drawing to a close? what does it send to whistle blowers or investigative journalist? yeah, i mean, i, i think, you know, as i said, i think the, the case is going to have a kind of legacy. because even though there's no judicial opinion endorsing the justice department's theories in this case, and again, it's a very good thing that there is a one. but even though there is no judicial opinion, there is this plea deal in which both the by and administration and assigned, recognize that assign serve time in custody because he engaged in these acts. and i think that that is a precedent that some future american administration may site to justify using the espionage act against a journalist. and it's a precedent that other governments may side as well to justify using analogous laws against journalists or human rights activists or human rights researchers. so i, i don't think that, you know, we're going to be able to close the, the,

the book on this case altogether. this case is going to have a, have a legacy terminal jaffer of the night 1st amendment institute at columbia university, the fascinating insights. thank you so much. thank you. of the columbia is carrillo war is one of the world's longest running conflicts. now the latest round of talk said, ending decades of left wing insurgency and the south american country have begun as part of efforts by columbia and president gustavo federal to try and end violence in rural areas, which has been escalating despite efforts to secure cease fires. but all is a former gorilla fighter himself. delegates from the colombian government are meeting in venezuela with representatives of the 2nd market dahlia group. that's led by former members of the revolutionary armed forces of columbia, the far which signed a peace deal with the colombian government back in 2016. now,

the head of the guerrilla delegation at these new talks in caracas is even marcus. he's a former far commander who was part of the 2016 talks to even enter the columbia in parliament as part of the old deal. but he returned to the jungle to take up arms 2 years later. and his lead a renewed written search and see ever sent me a lot to unpack here. and that is why we're bringing in some joe lopez, case a journalist from colombia, and joins us from herrera. somehow a tell us more about the 2nd market value group. how big are they and what are their goals? because and so when the market value says this, isn't the fox on? i'll say now the mobilize the fuck. as you mention the best, remember that they agree? if his agreement with the government in 2016 but 3 years later, some members of the, of the group now in a transform into a political party,

they do started. we've, we've many different topics in boston. the implementation of i did these type of shipment and they split off just to mention, if you numbers just to give you a perspective how big gets to the 5. you said a start that the in 2019. and that they had the at that time just a few members, but nowadays they have about 177651 members across the country. 1200 of them are part of the same as far as, as located in the jungle in the south part of the country. and according to the columbia intelligence, they are involved into knuckle traffic and delinquency and cases in different cities as areas in the country. also, the competitive intelligence said that the leaders also said when the market value are based in venezuela, where they get support and from the us government,

i'm from business. when are they control of the group in this other parts of columbia? and just to give you another brief a numbers and when they, you start that in a 2018, they have processed in 124 towns and villages in different areas of the country us later nowadays in 2024, they have the presence seen 370 means they have grow its presence in one kind of a 4 to one person. yeah. and the presence of the most notable in remote parts of columbia. right. how is your electricity affecting people's lives there to yes, the markets out of the house that very specific, the area where they are located. that being said, they are located in the origins of coca. and marino the, in these areas are in the south and west of columbia and the other board there with a quite or and why is that? because it is, locate the scene a burglar specific i'm burgess,

talk to to call resort for day. not cut off the industry because on the way they can take all the cocaine from this one, based on some fields in the eastern part of the i'm this mount times they, they take a look. okay, across the mountains and up until the jungle, the pacific coast, you know, just to, to send it to the front box around the world. it's about your subject area also because he's very much in use and also because of the deluxe of estate presence. and that is, it's a perfect, so in order for them to have presence there, because also they can force the farmers to change the fields that they hospitalizations. they have a, that's a fruits, vegetables, coffee they, they are forced to change it between the 2. okay, and one patients in order to grow the production and that's why they are forced. and so if we take a look to the situation for, for this, even those living there is that is every day like it and nightmare libby and under fire, between the army and the complex between the army and the rebels. and also

a force by the rebels. adults to do a startup of patients and also took up the different they. so it's ok because if they don't do it, they face a different and better difficult situation like their kids can get right. in the worst of the cases, they can be a far as a do and recreate to the lines of the the, the rainbow groups. yeah, that's a horrible, horrible situation to live in. now. and then president gustavo petra ran on a platform of bringing total peace to columbia. what's different about his approach to ending the violence to that of his freed assessors, some members of their position in columbia and also some members of the voted to collect or time sex ourselves off. or i'll say colombo society, it's that you still don't understand why it's possible tablets which of these means for the government, because the government didn't explain exactly what they wanted and how and they

were going to implement as these a proposal. and what were the foundation of these a total a piece is for us to do parts on members of their position is just the process that was used by paid from the company when he was running towards the columbia in presidency. but what is the point of if we take him in consideration, the other different and the piece talks a whole divide, the government and the different levels groups and a lot of the history of columbia is that this time the government is trying to talk face to face different rounds of conversations with the different and specific groups that are involved in the complex in columbia that we have to mention is not only the left, we are re less, historically in the country. we also have many, and the wind show a growth, very small spread across the country. they are involved in defining a sick daughter of a knuckle traffic chain. and that's why they are involved. and they are very

important for the industry and they must be in this is taking into consideration of this a and the possible fall. yeah, we only have about a minute left, but i don't want to let you go without asking you about how colombians feel about this, because they're scarred by decades of insurgency. it's really hard to find someone in the country who hasn't been affected by the violence in one way or another. so seeing the government talking again took a real us and most likely giving them amnesty. and then how did people feel about that? while it seems stuff, it's talking about the beast in columbia as a still a very popular topic for politicians, for, for different sectors of that society. so is it still, is it still a main concern for columbia? because countries not on their piece, you still have a call like i could do in different regions. and if these escalating day by day in

different areas, sufficiently in coca and not in your recent police. but what columbus wants to see, is there a, we'll please, and we'll do it for, from the government and from the read just from the different groups involved in the conflict in order to get some, some travel up as gonzales journalist in the data in columbia. thank you so much. you're welcome and occupied east jerusalem is really authorities have carried out a new wave of demolitions following him last october 7th terror attacks during previous gaza wars officials avoided scaling up such demolitions to avoid increasing tensions. not this time as either way as abraham reports nor actually. hm. well, i know you're comfortable this piece of paper turn. how much does light upside down? it's in order to demolish its homes, built without and is really permit. she was here with his parents, weiss and brothers family. i loved, she tells me there's was just what

a 13 demolition orders is really authorities issued in the area that day because they are, they told me either you demolish the house or we will come and do it for you is how about in his family live in east jerusalem is real occupied in the 1967 for an annex did in 1980 declaring the whole city. it's a terminal on divided copy. most of the international community does not recognize this and palestinians claim history as well as the capital of a future independent state. and majority of jerusalem's. 360000 palestinians lived here. a good baseline getting permits to build homes virtually impossible. according to the un, it says is really authorities own little land for palestinian development while facilitating the expansion is really settlements. that's also the experience of

these to tar steve. he's a researcher at your, i mean and is really non profit that focuses on the is really posting and conflict in jerusalem. the permits regime is being controlled by the municipality, a based on zoning plans that are controlled by the government. and both of these bodies are making sure that the zoning plans do not allow enough permits, fitting for the size of the population. and when palestinian communities in jerusalem initiate zoning plants, most of the times these are blocked, the rarely rejected. given the situation. how much did not even apply for a permit. he says he knew she never gets to simply build his house on his land and turns out of the penalty for doing that is demolition. which rights groups say is really, authorities have expanded since the october 7th terrace. they don't want a lot of arabs, they want to reduce us. that's an accusation. the routine,

the jerusalem, deputy mayor and settler liter, be a mental you projects to him. the increase and hong demolitions simply about enforcing the law. he insists, permits are issued without discrimination against palestinian residents. if we want the baby to create a environmental pushing them out, we would not invest so for palestinian and tied demolition active as tough yet. would you have? none of that investment kings mentioned is for his community is standing in the ruins of his home. he says, the jewish settler community, living in his east choose the neighborhood of some one, has no trouble built it. well is really our stories, demolished his house in february, and then we'll have the monthly demolished my life a lot in my pocket stone or my mother was here and then she gave birth to me. here . under this rubble, there was

a 50 year old picture of me and my mother comes in. i'm and you know there is nothing that can bring that back. uh we are the amenities, the visa, terse keys, right. scoop your, i mean, fears this way to demolitions, pittsburgh violence in jerusalem. she tells me that during israel's previous words, and casa, is really authorities often hold to demolitions. to prevent tensions bubbling over here. this time we see a opposite, it's a policy. we understand that this government eh, sees a conflagration, not as a risk, it's an opportunity to allows it to carry out more and more violence and drastic measures. she says that's because this tied for right nationalist each more thing here is administer of national security in charge of the police force muted in force demolitions to jerusalem, deputy mayor or a king. mr. bang for your is doing the right thing. we are not demolishing enough

in east to the center. as you wait for the bulldozer to come and demolish his home, tells me what his plans are. if they demolish the house we will pitch attend and sit here. we will not leave, i'll have them. so i handed to chris in the what the name dorothy and that's our time. but make sure to stay informed, stay engaged and stay in touch. you can fall our team on social media. our handle there is at data we units. if it's the latest headlines we are looking for this course and always our website dw, dot com for now though, from the entire team on the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day with the

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