leaders, why did us veterans turn their backs on democracy? and what does this mean for the upcoming election? the enemy within starts to lie 12 on d, w. the, in the early hours of february 24th just over 2 years ago. are you kidding me? and joe list in care of be unmistakable sound. the russian miss, i'll talk you thing. he says he really believe that need to be lying in a fit with a russian bullet in his head. but it didn't happen instead, any upon the money and co woke up went out and began reporting in real time how ukrainians acted for a full on the daily hourly face of his new book, cold. i will show you how it was found. the 1st 3 months of moscow's invasion, and his remarkable you love affair with his own country. helio,

upon the muddy, and co welcome to come fix home. hello, thank you for having me. your new book shots the 1st month. so most goes without invasion on ukraine. in 2022, a story you said about so many people doing incredible things and discovering a lot of incredible things about themselves. like got um, you know, war as such as a function of making people reveal for they truly are to reveal the interest selves . so many regular people just like your me just like anyone you know, appear to be capable of incredible things like making a moral choice of standing or what was rights against all the odds with a little to no chance to win what the entire world bird be great and alive, yet regular people objected driver's radio host. and the military people

made decisions to stand up making moral choice and fights. as many people are not there truly believing in the grain. so my book is about very regular people do it. sure, roy things, when the darkest on time games, you've often said the hope all was once another chance, but then how close have you come to losing hope over these last 2 years? i'm gonna say that's the darkest it's in this regard was the 1st day of the invasion 1st our something vacation because what was happening was k us was, may have was extremely dog environment in terms of, you know, the entire world's given us. i mean, the drain ends in inc and gave it to the 72 hours. and the 1st hours were telling

us very little about, you know, the future and about the chances of this country to survive and to go on living and fight in and survive. and but same time with 1st victories, so great and such as the very southern victory of the grand forces said because normally our fields, which is the airfield just outside key of which was attacked by russians with 1st fortunately, failures spectacular failures and such a sudden and unexpected move taylor's, there appeared to be a dream of hope. and a very sudden understanding that's what can make it. we can do it. russia is failing. so the beer is over the darkest hours. very, very quickly shipped to home and to, you know, the motivation to move forward. that's your 1st thought was we were going to die. you said we were under no illusions as to what would happen. we would end up in a pit with a bullet in our head. how. how long did that sort stay with you? i think it's 24 hours. let's go this way from the evening before the invasion from

the night before, the invasion through this night's alphabets as a base and ends to the 1st symbolic victory will be kind of forced into custom. no air feel that we haven't already discussed the moment. um, you know, initially we really had no illusions about our chances, but some still as hold always fun to try to find the weight. we were thinking about really a war a very long ago with the war that is unwinnable for russia and the answer. so we, we knew that that's going to be a car that, that will work with lots of casualties, lots of heavy um, the consequences of this country by the same time in dm's you came, but before you've greenville overcome this. but when they 1st picture, so we kind of soldiers defeat in russia, russian air born jobs, and the cost only our fields, which was supposed to be a quick jump on ok if they appear to be home. and i don't understand and that's

what against against to you again. so your expectations, if you and your colleagues decided you were going to report this war in real time, not just the fighting, but what do you want, other people so and felt. and in 5 days you went from 10000 follows on x to over a 1000000. how do you explain that? was it that you are holding up a, a mirror for people and say look into it. there's some good news, the pathologist, the result in the invasion of k of has been stopped in its tracks. was it back on? i think it's more about the unique nature of the situation, but we're, and i mean the phone scale or to style more an invasion in the middle of our day and time in general. just all the twenty's um that was in general of the whole situation going around your grade level in general, the whole board, but then your grade was so distorted, really rare black and whites so full of emotions. so full of things that touch upon

the most basic uh and the best things about human nature that it's resonated with so many people around the world because most people are good people, no matter whether you're left in the world, how far that's how, what people's emotions during that period, and it was very much about emotions because um, like i said, there was such a black and white situation and such a terrible feeling all the doomsday coming up on the entire nation. that was in a sense that never deserved this. and we were born of those who claim the, as i mentioned many, also many 4 of us who supported us, who felt this way. they were outrages. they were in a scream and from inside the souls and social media. so naturally, that means a lot of attention because of the unique situation that we were in useful people on the streets. you saw people in an air ride shelters. you must have had some extraordinary conversations. was that one in particular that stuck in your mind. uh,

i have a moment that i really remember and i will call it almost every single day about things like moms telling favorite tails to little kids in the underground shelters as if there is no more just you know, laying there. you know, your mom's leaving their kids don't sleep really late in the nights out on the floor on the country for on subway station that is that what used to be like a bare bump sheller. so tell us the table from old you are being in on the floor and making they are so somebody will come for, for the children. so it's very tales in the middle for, for kids that do not deserve this. you said the biggest difference between pre war ukraine i'm now is the sense of unity in the country and sense of, of becoming a nation, a nation that wants to be dependent,

that appreciates being independent. how does that manifest itself? where, where do you see that it's, it's about so many little things that happened in this country. it's about so many things that appear in the minds of people, such as far as those, despite the war, despite the, you know, the terrible situation that we're in. we have and at spectacular outbreak of the kind of cultural like truly unique, ukrainian culture in the more weight sounds, music, even the stand up comedy stand up comedy is just having the renaissance given your grain with young's media is having tours and uh uh, you know, having a performance as an air bomb shelters. and so again, in gain and a lot of audience and, you know, go with the money for the military to. it's about the increasingly large use of ukraine your language versus may russian speaker switch to creating language. yes. because of the principal, just because the doctor wants to have it,

it's been in contact with russia a culturally and was sickly to it's about so many things that really make create the united to creating a nation as it will be both from the grants east and the brain grands west finally have a really large story and into common and you didn't expect any of this. you didn't expect the government to be there was no to the outbreak of this without war. i must say that i this exactly what i expect to because 0 in the time a brief and the doctor's time, especially when it comes to such a resilience. and it's a very viable nation that ukraine it is. uh, people tend to find the cold. do you know, gets united states across the street on something on the idea of surviving? so it's very nature whole thing and in many ways it's, it's getting a sense, the beginning of the conflict and frustrated from 6 as dictate. so the training from 2013 is super different from what you're saying this. and i must say that i

like ukraine of today, much more. let's, let's talk about the west. the extravagant promises to stay with you all the way to victory. and then the, the delays before during the weapons that web given over given late the invitations that keep being sent to join the nato. but they don't have any data on them. have you lost face with the west along the way? i don't think so. i don't think i have lost faith um, but both of you ladies have cost huge. not those of you currently live. suddenly the delays and getting the weapons for you. i mean, as you know, that's it just so that they, that entire story of the praying for swaying and begging the west into, you know, change of the attitude change and the position towards which russia is changing the entire political backgrounds, entire mindsets. and i'm begging it every single step with every single website that gets a complicated story. it's a hard story, it's a story. so do people feel let down by that?

it's not the full it's bread situational in, oh, you're going to say it's certainly emotional. it's a very vibrant culture with very little bodily public opinion. so once that comes, you could be say, and things like the way the west has to be trained as but the same time was something positive happens. the same person will tell you that no, the west is still with us. you know, we finally made and we persuade on this but, and all hands on hodge, honestly speaking, you know, given all the, you know, as we look at the general situation, i've never seen that happen or even a, all in the last 2 and a half years it's impossible not to say that the west has really changed. it's not changing as fast. and as, as the nomic last, we want it as it's necessary for the sounds vicks, it will be brain and the free world in this we're but what's the change of west has done and much one that we could realistically expect knowing what the west used to be 2 years ago, would you trust the warehouse any more or any less if donald trump becomes

president again? i think we still have hold. uh, even if donald trump, because the president again was still helpful. and one of the things that we learned from this war is that there's always a way if you are not given up, if you are ready to go on solving and fighting work. and there's always a way to go because we have overcome so many nevers about so many things about um in this work, you know, it's advice that many times you were written off. people didn't trust you. people didn't have faith in you. and i don't think that that ever happens because it's been that mac process of, you know, it's very painful, very steady evolution towards enforcing something with the west persuade. and the end of working with the people it's, it's a war it's, but it's the same time. i know it's something to work with. so that's why i would not those and hopefully always find it and wait to use. as you said,

you think the wall could go on another couple of years. what do you think would have happened by then to and that mutual exhaustion on both sides running out of i munition, what we are thinking about and what many analysts solve. so notes that's russians, codified on this one is that there is no tomorrow, i mean the, your, their sources are large. i buns on there so that the legacy is extremely abundant, but the same time they were fighting the war. so in such a wasteful weight, that's in all the that they cannot come to save their losses, but they'll production and as many on the list know that and the we see it too from, for me inside your training. and if i'm able to reach you, they only cover like 20 percent of the, of their losses. so, in the next year, in the next 2 years, that may come, the situation in which russia will have to rely on its own production

only without any bought of less soviet supplies anymore. so which means russia be in less capable of large scale operations, which means russia having to narrow down their goals on the brain, which means i have an opportunity to strike a deal to negotiate. because you guys, you're not capable of flushing your brain and doing so, and you think this will end up and it goes to the aging table, not on the battlefield. all. hopefully that's going to be a strong position for you. train them for the, for the world to negotiate and stop as simple as is just the praise guys. so you're not capable of the doing this any again, week or so. let's stop this before it's too late. because you'll get them quicker, but the same time which i don't deny, that's the problem is not the racial about this when they're not thinking about, you know, rational, positive things. they're not a good we live in this regards. so it's,

it's good could be an option that no matter what the situation of a rush it appears to be in, they can go on and on and on with the score. because war as such as an idea, the perpetual war on the west. but you are on your train, the extension of your plan is the like a bed of the update of his team and they are all controlled and rule of russia. so do you did sign the agreement with them? would you have any expectation that they'd stick to it? no, absolutely, no. the only possible reason for them to stick to agreement is to enforce it sort of a piece deal of them. they will never observe a peace deal that is not in force unless they have to, unless they are forced to do this. so there is no good will. there's no, there's no trust in any sort of agreement unless they absolutely have to do this unless they're not capable and disabled and denied from their ability to go and fight in this way. this is the only, unfortunately, wait. and you don't see any possibility of

a living peacefully permanently beside each other after this at least will foreseeable future. yeah, the only possible way to, to do so that is to disabled russia from having a large scale offensive operations about a against the crane ends, which is, which is even more important. ukraine be in a way just song in the weight, so dangerous as a potential um, which amount of the, of, and other attack. so be way to strong is the only possible way to prevent, in other words, and to go on living without, without more entity going prevents. and they've gotten a little more. so the date with her still to start stop will be at the beginning of the periods. of extremely hard work from inside the train and from outside your client's here to prevent another work by making your grand astronomy as it, as it possibly can be reached the front of the co. you live now in butcher 25 kilometers west of kiff. the area, so a massive,

brutal occupation by russian forces in march 2022, which left hundreds did many appear to have been executed in cold blood with the hands tied. how is that what you're now? is it one of the hopeful signs that you spoke about? yes, i must say that i moved uh, double check shortly after the liberation from russia. and i bought my 1st apartments um, shortly before the beginning of the full scale invasion. and uh, when i originally went to butcher following the police, holding the military as along side with so many draw and listen to this picture was terrible. no, it's, it's really hard to describe the picture of i ma'am. all is the smell of death and the touch of evil. that was in the end, the year following the withdrawal of russians. and i remember many colleagues saying that's up to her,

everything that was seen in there up to all the mass graves of the, all the dead bodies that we saw in the bushes course forever is going to be across the land. but it never happens really. the spring time came, people return to the city months, get a got eligible, they babies and barks, know the son came in all the life prevailed. so ever since then, we'll check is one of the best place to live in here. many of the places were resurrect, it's a lot of people moved in there to, to live, you know, so anyways, i'm really happy that i moved to bush and i lived here and i enjoyed living here because in many ways what's happened, simple change the sign of hope is, this is every single day i walk through the streets and i see it's ivan, i remind myself of the fact that life always fails in old lights prevails over the darkness. and this is exactly what happens with the small town. comes aid down in the woods just outside key of life prevailed. no matter what's for reporting on

this conflict, you came across that russian. so just one of them you were able to identify from the name patch on his uniform and an online search. who was he and how did it make you feel seeing photos of the place he lived and the family and imagine what his life might have been like now, do you have the terms to live it? yes, i am deep identified. one of the russian soldiers to be precise, he was an officer, a young guy, 24 years old, young officer. um with the military education. um the guy is from uh, easily i think body odds team was born 7000 kilometers away from k of and uh i'm in the russian range. um really close someone go in border um healthy. yeah, i'm good looking guy. big fan of football of activities, and i really from,

i only got to batch name and i a bill i was able to with the help of the internet to construct the entire life his family to assist are his mom is a teacher. his town is or invested to you, it's still far away from the crane. and to me, of this experience, this very event them experience i must say, was one of the payments on almost for the entire of mine. so a life appointment i talked to earlier because i realize how absurd though, that was the essence of the easiest. again, that sort of the of this work, this young guy could have a family. this the guy because have could be like a local coach for this football team is so far away from bush. he could be a, i don't know, a level deputy and work on making his life and the life of his peers better so far away from the train. he has, he died from nothing he burns in the time from nothing. 7000 kilometers away from home for an easy logic more that is just and more, which is even more terrible for me and for, for the, you know, for,

for everybody else has that so many good people. young go guys and girls from your grand pets of di to stop him and the likes of him and the yogic more for the me go manage today or since his wishes. and this is one of the most tragic and terrible things about 4 to 2 years on how normal does it feel to still be in the middle of this? well, how much of pre war life has survived over the last 2 years when it comes to most of the grandparents already like gifts of the many of the cities, even odessa, lives is as close to being normal as it is, as it can possibly be. because there's a thing about human nature and one that people can people tend to be striving to normalcy as much as they can. so business work in restaurants, work in shopping malls and spied power outages. by the way,

people use technology is to stay online to stay working bates access to but spend economy to, you know, go places, enjoy life, and go to seats side by the budget and say among people that they don't put things off of you if they were thinking about getting married, where they go do it rather than weight because of level. um yeah, they've changed people's attitudes in that way. for instance, that's interesting thing that happens to you to my society and what people do not spirits in food and beautiful things besides in the middle of work. if you want to get married, what is the best time to do this? because who knows what happens tomorrow? the same things about, you know, change them. they are of human lives, you know, doing something beautiful and this, you know, many people in the, many of my friends, they have gifts despite you know, having a war because this is the attitudes. so they're camden and they may be know,

tomorrow, so today is today, life is now. so, and this is the, and i would say that it's, it's, it, it, it might sound weird, but it's one of the beautiful things that have them to be built in war. so people live lives and they've defied the darkness. they defy the life killing force. that's, you know, covers this country and the state in the same time. it's a sort of a defiance towards what's russia, what's, what's the chief issue going on, living as ukrainians below you, enjoying your credit and go to a new kind of language. and you can join the training on life, trying to make this country still a better place. and it's, you know, to find the, find the death and don't want to live in is one of the, in a ways to combat the floor. it's crazy because it sounds almost as if in the middle level of this conflict, you've fallen in love with your country again and again this, yes, i'm gonna say that's, you know, again, it's a very interesting thing about,

you know, she wants that goal to change that the ones you are about to lose something you start really appreciate and something and it's, um, it's what's in the personal level for us. that's my love to key of okay is i always loved the key of renaissance. it's in the city gave me so much about that in my life, but the same time when you're about to lose, that's your thought to really appreciate. and so i didn't, gave my days when i'm not off work to and i started in history of the key of to in the walking the streets and the adult knowing every single detail about this ancient and beautiful city. and whether it's extremely wes. so ization of significance, the same goes to bell g cream to no history, no of the train. and it's, it's once on the site. it's too because people really discover ukraine for themselves. people. so i appreciate and many people, so i appreciate what they have and the people in general,

over the decades of this work, people started see. and the beauty that they have of having the independent country of cross country of country. oh, they own that is about them so, so it's really works this way. we love the brain as, as much as never before on so many personal levels. a problem i are going to be very good to have your own coverage. so thank you very much. here is the the,

the secrets of what plan, how big is there anything last on the client?

the melting permafrost is releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases. researchers are working to find out more harm wars and swans 6 celebrating climate change. the, the in 75 minutes on d w, the i'm just trying to have a site just to make the right decision, dw, and you can remove, follow hello guys. this is the 77 percent. the platform for the issues page share idea. you know,

on this channel we are not afraid to pass and then he keeps talking. young people clearly have the solution. the beauty of the 77 percent, every weekend on dw, the coming 0, same 6. 03 trans people. stories offline, right? so she, you know, flu need routine message into here. language english kind items are feed us complex doors to have 5 describe main district supplies. and she does pull bundle because sometimes some piece of interest chip. no, because their insurance is overboard to technical to turn 3 generations. one, jenny starts july 7th on dw,

the the the

labor party makes care some of the new prime minister, the rotors, all the seats counted labor wins a super majority in parliament. booting the conservatives from up to 14 years and the incoming prime minister is about to speak from his new residents down the street and will bring you that lot.