is going to be funded here repos here, every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate. when people think kicked tom, they think money. luxury k tone is going to kids is the most, any causal site team, the world fees a to i talked about a student who was going to have that money if we didn't do definitely what from home, how are they going to survive? the focus on cape town is insane, but that's the fashion space and seem to be signed municipality and saw that because it doesn't match. the cape town is the best. it's a wonderful feats, but it means nothing. in the general idea of, of lifting everyone the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent of strict debates. my name is edith kimani,

and this week we are back in cape town, south africa. now this is a city that's used to being the best, a community categories, but it's also a citric grappling with the legacy of apartheid economic decide which is to continue to rule the day here. as of today, we're trying to find out best yes, but best for who, who better to answer this question for me then some lovely south africans. i don't want to touch base. no mind love because we were speaking yesterday on the phone. and you are born free, right. and yet you were telling me that you already disillusioned. why? hi. thank you so much for having me. know my dissolution. a meant absolutely comes from the idea that of to city as women to be and meant to seem like a society, a democracy that has everything together. but in fact, we are regressing. and so in many ways, in terms of that democracy, in what ways do you think you'll, regressing, particularly me, i come from a student's background. so i particularly see that when we discuss finance in the

student sick, the of course education is the backbone of any society. but access to education is something in south africa that has been reserved for those who can't afford it. okay, so we'll come back to that in just a short while. the economic, despite to, when it comes to education, but to bundle you live here, right? you were born and raised in cape town. can you tell me what the situation is like for the average person living in the city? i think as, as the mind just said, if you don't have access to the sources, you have to have the, the, the lock should be to have access to it. you on the backbone. so yes, we now we know beautiful, but of gave me on the phone, but the is so many different spaces to this, such as township, such as, as escal, is where i also comes on. and if you don't have someone who's gonna be giving you a hand up, then if someone is taking you out of that position, you're going to be mainly and it's a very difficult space to be in. yeah. so can you paint that picture for me? because when people think cape tom, they think money,

you luxury. but we also have the cape flats. what's life like that? a death every day on the death of the young person every day to be more specific. um, hopelessness of feeling a total profit, the people living in shacks which is basically like a full roof sheet structure with no segmentation. um, no electricity. uh they have to go to, to the government, but on they do pay them government grants. they depend on some suggestions for food . um uh, so it's quite a, it's quite a different and a dock place um from what are you seeing right now and, and, and talk economically would also talk socially, mentally. so people the young and old or just lift. yeah, what is the 2? okay, let me bring and tell me who is representing the d a which is a very popular particular in cape town. i mean, it must not be nice to hear that young people feel disillusioned and they haven't

even been a life to, to years what's not working. so the, do you just like any add the port t dining room municipality is not immune on social challenges. ok. time oh, it's a nomic try them just for that matter. so as a young person myself, i can be like to some of the same to me instead of being shaved years today. but as someone also works with the municipality is one of the youngest sconces in the county. i can say that's great. down isn't a fault based to position compared to other municipalities at on the 20. if we just look at the evidence in front of us, and i'm speaking about the report from the order to jingle new, this research support staff is a telling us that more jobs are created here area than any of us at the let me ask costa kona here because you will not be afraid of speaking the truth. in fact, you confronted some of the leadership in this city in your opinion with the disconnect because the da think things are working. but on the other hand we're

hearing so doc situation k. toner's been ticket is the most unequal society in the world. another the, the shape of both the amc, which is the company in potty and liberation movement as well as under the democratic alliance is based on inequality is one of the biggest issues since the dawn of freedom in south africa. we have not seen any single affordable units being built in the n s h and to the legacy of updates. black and brown, people are subjected to having to live in communities with basic services are not provided. and this is, it is not the voice to from the historical and deep violent history that we have in south africa. that's known white's people were subjected to such conditions. less has changed in terms of policy, less has changed in terms of how blackboard is a police in cape town. we may say this is a wordpress say to yes it is for some people. but for the vast majority of people living in the cave down will happen not to be white people in particular. they

still experience that limiting default protect and locked in. you celebrates and just said yes, of, of democrats that we will say was the man i let me hear what's on your mind. so for me, i'm not a youth. so i've got the perspective a different perspective in that city is have paused show. we've got a few freedoms as township entrepreneurs, as tasha presidents, which are mostly policy, you know, changes. but in terms of implementation, nothing has changed and i agree. we need to be expects move for, you know, the last 3 decades. we've got nothing to show for it, but when we look at ourselves as indigenous people versus other global indigenous people that have been subjugated since he is not enough time for us to be able to expect us, as the intention is to make the changes. we need to put more pressure on people like the d a, the white people who have had the benefit of privilege for more than 400 years. they need to come in and damage cause you please move. a lot of pressure is put on

us as black people to be the ones who have to stand up and fix things and remedy and point out where the problems are. what we need to be doing now is putting the blame or spotlights back onto the people that subjugate us and say to them, they need to come to the party. so let me ask lou here a new by the way, please tell our audience, your full name, my name is put them on. okay. and so because i can't do the click sounds, i'm just going to call you, i hope it's fine. so you are still representing the a c, particularly we use leak. we're talking about systems being broken. why into fixing them from the inside? i think we have to be honest initially and to point out what exactly was said that the agency in particular is not only working to retrace this 48 years of successful operation by the part of the government. but it's also, we're trying to retrace the use of the union with africa and the quantization which came before that. so we told him about centuries of successful depression here of the, of the majority by the minority tent, by much item fulton,

one of the previously disadvantage groups. right. and, and also we spoke earlier on about access to education and i think we have to be quite honest about that, that much has been done to ensure that the doors of education are open to all, particularly those who did not have access to education before. and were systematically excluded based on the color of the skin. but also we must state that there is biased to any quality within the so called best friend sitting in the country which escaped on the black. the blacks, the colored, everyone else of class was classified as non white, clustered in the areas which are the most dangerous areas to live in our people's even can read it areas or people are unsafe during the, during the night. and the best parts of coupon, which of course, are reserved for the minority to systematically that is the which you don't be aware. the majority of the people are unable to, since we're unable to leave within the city to serve as specific or. and that's what we need to acknowledge within the city. okay, so before we go to far, you have to come back to talk to me about access to education know here and say, you know, it's so much back to now that it used to be nice,

black people can go to school. the colors have access to university, but do you really? i think it's something i'm a bit violent to constantly acknowledge and pad in the back. yes, we're doing so well. guess what is shipping this? yes. with cheating that but on the ground. again, a movement like these mis full happened from 2015, 27 team is. and those fights that people did. we included all those things that the season was full after this and purchase, the dead seems now and void. it seems like absolutely the most waste the time because violence within usually t especially is still replicated. yeah. off the people don't have housing. they don't have access to education. i have 2 slides to register for my mazda is this the final year mazda is they wouldn't let me in because of x, y, z again, what's, what's x, y, z finance money, because i didn't have the necessary um,

scholarship. so i didn't have the necessary marks, everything like that in order to complete something i'd work so hard for. yeah. okay, let me hear from the gentleman here. i think i would want to talk to you about the access to education only those who can afford the one who can access the education . but the question is, who are those who can afford that those who are minority to in discount? because the majority of people's lives in these kinds of they can't afford fees to i even the government, the increased fees each and every it even though institution includes definitely it was close to 4.5 percent. but the question is, who was those things they've done? man, it's like, it's a matter of time to see those who kind of for don't do they have access to education. there is. so let me hear from you for a 2nd because the situation is not going to change any time soon. right? and the universe is a thing. they simply can't afford to know of the fees any further. so what happens? so i think i just want to pause on the journey of

a young person growing up in the k flats. you eventually then make it out to go and finish um, great 12, then move onto the higher education and you finish your degree. grapple with the issues such as fees and financial, then a new set of problems start because now you have this degree, but you lack experience because what is employ your seller's employer says, i want somebody with at least 12 months work experience. how am i going to get work expedient if you don't give me an opportunity that i so i think because you spoke about having solutions, i think one of the solutions that we need to think about is having things like a work integrated learning program, which now says okay, cool, you have your university degree, but he is also an opportunity for you to have practical expedients. right. and then also building partnerships that off to the initial partnership working today did learning program in that you don't just sit it down again and say, i just finished the initial 3 months of the initial but 6 months of the initial.

but it's also a protect show because now you're sleeping outside of your comfort zone for you to and bulk onto permanent or long term employment. yeah. okay. i want to follow a thread, but you've just started. so this person has finished university and then looking for what you've already said. it's difficult. tell us why shavon difficult is an understatement. maybe maybe we should start, but we're not finding what these a huge percentage of us can choose guys to do some employment. so you get a degree when to school for years, some of us 5, you get even the owners, you get them off to do find a job. no, because companies want a certain skill set. you don't have it skills because you just finish does a dictation. they want to certain standard devalues, these must be things we learned that the universe that we didn't plan that. so we're getting out of university being sounded as well competing with those who but getting a tour of putting the door. thanks you about a job even longer people into to go work full tank of st is you. you don't follow

you to passion because the just not enough going around for everyone. yeah, no. what do you have to say to that? because you'll part a showing has been in leadership for so for that to you is, is a discussion which has been having for a very long time, which traditional universities. and it must be said. the traditional universities are refused to the goal of the curriculum. and this is with a discussion on the corner, nice ation of the coaching i'm comes into into, into please. because when you look at what you've previously, um technical universities are doing, they've been able to incorporate that work integrated learning into their own. cuz each of them i see where you're going with this, but it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation here, right? because they need a dictation that they don't have access to education. you know, the mean, the curriculum to change, but who is suppose to change the curriculum action because they told me, so the biggest issue with heads. and so that's in kind relation to the to cation is that a lot of legislations to exist. a lot of policy is beautiful constituents and praised worldwide. the biggest issue we have is a lack of political. we'll actually implement all of these promises. how do you see

now, constituents and from the very basic things of like get towards that into a home. getting a toilet is all the components are kind of weird from our community is going into the functions of the national government is the biggest issue that we have. the constitution is not enough. is it guarantee in terms of what the life, the quality of life we should be accessing? we can't access that because the kinds of 22 cents we have does not. okay. alright, but the certificate is wrong because when i read the data, specifically about the tape, talk the numbers a when in the 90s when it comes to access to what the electricity data. so it surprises me that you're telling me people don't have running. what's a home the social just is quite leasing has had to take that democratic alliance lead to municipality, so tough gaped down to cost to the quality caught on the basis of not having it planned for informal sacraments. you're going as they may have to day. how many toilets will it be? will it be bringing to inform us documents? there is no plan. how is it that a weather event municipality doesn't have

a plan for up to 60 percent of its population, which doesn't have access to basic save uses. good question. let us a d, a representative here. the focus on pipe down is insane, but that's the passion, spiteful thing to be signed municipality in south africa. okay. the da's a victim of its own success. but moving on to other kristen, 60 percent off, informal statements all without. the i don't know with that claim comes from, because i can tell you every single month, more than $50000.00 people move into the city of grapes down from the provinces, y to find opportunities to find jobs, to get education. and if you look at the sophistic cds by the quarterly labor for survey offsets a say, you will see that specific off good on has to license over 80 percent of all new jobs in south africa. that is more then housing. and i think we need to combine together. so even though the city of cape town may have a 1000000 of challenges, both socially and economically, i cannot allow emotional arguments to say, oh,

but without looking at the fact. okay, lots of the responses mazda, i think, in order to have this conversation. um, that is very emotional and should be driven with emotion. i think something within so africa that i've noticed within my youth is that what upsets with statistics are obsessed with numbers. and what they mean, but those numbers mean absolutely nothing to the people that experience those, those, those processes. what's important is reality. ok. all right. i lived experience. i want to hear from the lady at the back here. we were speaking about and my not is to use and i think very often we forget that the all minorities with a might not it if we look at the, the issue of race and we look at the issue of colors and we look at the issue of algebra, q people in this country, and specifically in this province, then i know people are speaking around, you know, the government would say the local government would say a, but you have emotional arguments. but the really a jesus a policy, it policy is not in 4th, when you're thinking about the issue of education,

access to education, access to health, access to employment. that is really not to put tons, people for algebra, to keep people in specifically, taunts and ultimately the people of color, 50 years, empower democracy. these are wrong because he has and she's standing in the d. i you spending. yeah. and they are saying that very emotional arguments, so i'm really glad that you have introduced the issue of the traditionally marginalized being almost double victims of the system goes to corner. i want to come back to the issue of housing because it good very he to the how pressing is a need here in cape town, the cape town is kind of this the ticket about uh, 400000 or more. um, in terms of the housing back lock um many people, particularly assisted. so people who are waiting to get housing from this government and housing is a shed function across the spears of government. local government thing, the municipality provincial government as well as national government. and what you've seen gained enough each of the dates on is that we cannot have an exclusive

city that kate does pull. some people have money, particularly white's people. say to of cape town is busy during the day, but come at night, you will see that's who has access into this city. it's not a matter of privilege, but we're saying that there's an edge in mantra as a way of progressively realizing the deep and violent format to history have of black people been sleeping, auto visited gentrification. i have to ask you, what do you say? i think that we need all fears of government on big if we want to ensure that more people have access to affordable housing with it's in the, in the city or it's it on. but i do want to see said so much. so this has been made in terms of folding houses even for students, which is mentioned earlier on the new development in edit a c. so in as much as they are a lot of challenges, this is a complex issue that cannot be solved overnights. so let me hear from you because your part of the students need a sheep. tell me how housing

a fixed education access in general because the, to seem to go hand in hand. right? yeah, i think you're right because they think so for students coming from another province to come to side before she comes to the point is 3. they need to ality on cape town . if the owners with syndicate makes it very difficult for someone to come from an immediate class, the media or in the last last name is because of what housing. if you go to the, can you give me an idea of how much it would cost to rent a house as a student, for example, for a month. and um, we must be talking about 82800000, which you have to pay for when the 10 months does the means as low as a 10, those in $9000.00 a month. and this is not affordable at all. let's make example of in building pods the amc because they've, if game called n s 5, they come in plus something called the costs of it when the pay $45000.00 pay a to is put it while there is the dentist costing under the 1000. you mean that's put into by the end of they have if you block with the only institution or the debt owing billions of money for close to $55000.00, we'd be able to top up on top of the total of talking about if we didn't,

what we don't have that money if we didn't, we just moved from $1.00 because a, they were able to possibly exit 12 and the if they meet the minimum requirements to enter the institution, how are they going to survive? it does not on the take to i think that must immediately when such things i've been, i think with been a get the old, the defendant of leaving us like a some fee to tell. we just trying to see all those who don't below that people don't feel like they belong to this place. yeah. does what doesn't belong to the technical fee to tell them to move away so that they can remain with the program. but in the sense of leaving in generalizing wisdom teeth is twice then any adult prophy. yeah, i think that's how, yeah, i'm seeing some people noting here, do you want us to say some things to me. okay. so that for someone, for someone who is in just in case for us to come in batavia is facing in cape towns, they extracting because they come from rural. and then they come here thinking that they will find that to opportunity to get only to find out that one kid student accommodation. and then that helped to sleep in a hole. there was

a turning picture on facebook with student from 62 was, was sitting in a hole and sleeping in a hole in the whole. yeah, there was sitting there because they couldn't find accommodations. they had to post on facebook for people to, to needs for people to come and help them or house them so that they can stay and continue the education. ok, so sleeping in the hall, i had the o access of getting good across the so now we've addressed some of the problems. is there anybody who wants to add something before we look for solutions? i think just as we were speaking about the lived experience, like my mom paused, she died waiting for a house. so you can imagine we are 50 years of democracy. she waited 23. yeah. my go. so i think um, as the change needs to happen, i don't know when that's going to happen because, i mean just looking in my, in my community within the k plus many, many people are sitting there waiting on the, on the house that they've been promised that the 30 plus years ago. so the change

needs to definitely start happening now. so what needs to happen because of the solutions now? i think it just may be. what's more important does that way people live mid to where you live to, to mind. so quality of life that you get to enjoy or it's, it's a mines in your life span. i come from it kindly to which is the largest township. yeah. in cape town, and that's, that's, i spent all of my life a void in that community for the past 15 years, particularly working with people who are living and inform us that women to try find the solutions with people live, met us. and we are seeing the best solution that could be put in place. it's one that doesn't needs real good science, or at least public land, nothing. private land. there's public lands. yeah. in the united states, which must be at least for affordable housing to accommodate the way because of the city as well as the student's office. it's okay. and finally, the 1st thing that the national government can start doing when it comes to housing is the stop gardening,

the budgets to municipalities every single year in favor of saying earlier, is to be at the protection for over 2. i did a and see politicians every single year, not. i mean they've got the budget for housing that got the budget for education. so eventually you guys do mental hospitals. we know they gonna fix it today in groups on say, bobby consultation. really we talking about the best thing to do, i will be talking about today. all of those has happened. in fact, when it comes to connecting people from certain parts of the city. if the work oppertunity, that is one solution and immediate solution that can be solved if you really want to peach the gap between the 10 to 14 good. all right, so let's, let's, yeah, i'm going to run frontier. no model because i did start with you. you know, i asked a very simple question at the beginning, tape tongue is undoubtedly the best of many things. but best for me, it doesn't matter if case how does the best it's a wonderful feats. but it means nothing. in the general idea of

a lifting every so again with you see there will be another housing crisis. you will see it again at the beginning of next year. the rejection and psychological torments that comes with being rejected from that based in africa. that is something that is so deep and then so many ideas of, of colonial i'm, you know, fighting for a future. that is, is, is something that you would told is the promise land and funding that you were told is, is that it's hit, that intense ideology really needs to come to an end. cape time needs to be real. we are not the best. i'm not from k phone, we are not at the best. and we still have so much work to do, and i think blanket statements since the test 6 and everything are beautiful and they wonderful. again, do not speak to the expert. okay, let me conclude with savano, who is from cape town. are you the best? let's be honest. okay. let's be honest and say we are not the best. well,

that'll be a trying to be the best. the government needs to get any of your needs. analysis of the community allow the communities voices to be heard, but not just the hud. allow us to make decisions alongside you allow us to bring. we have wonderful people on, on, on the cape that we've got to the we use is called dr. people with education, but even not so allow us to actually make our voice heard but allow our decisions and allow our voices to actually master. yeah. um, so yes, you're not the best. i'm sorry, go down. um, but let's start with a base but not a loud live shy and involved communities. black, i'll solve like many of the people we part of it to see the making process. i think once we start doing that, we can make some movement. oh, i love that and that's a fantastic place to rock this debate. we did ask best for who apparently not for everyone, that the is of the apartheid. the kind of escape who you are and where you were

born. still same to my to what hopefully based on the solutions, not so much longer. thank you all for watching by the the

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