former high ranking military leaders. why did us veterans turn their backs on democracy? and what does this mean for the upcoming next? the enemy within dogs to lie 12 on the w. you want to dw news for berlin, and this is asking dw, where we take today's top story and discuss it with your questions. today. it's the results of the french election. and we're asking who really one today for its present emanuel macro, and refused to accept the resignation of his prime minister gabriella tall. it's all offered to quit as a result of what voters decided sunday in the 2nd round of snap a problem entry elections. that's all agreed to stay on for a bit longer. but what did the voters decide on sunday? the left this new popular french one a 182 seats and succeeded in its goal that preventing the far right national rally

from gaining power. national riley was in fact forced into a 3rd place with only a $143.00 seats, despite expectations that it would repeat the strong performance from the 1st round of voting. one week ago, president emmanuel mac rollins centrist together coalition came in 2nd with a 168 seats, but with no group gaining an absolute majority, can we even talk of a clear winner? french politics has little experience with coalition building. are they about to get a crash course? in the meantime, with, with france, will france be home to what is known as the politics of paralysis? well, we want to discuss that today, and i want to bring in our guest now who are ready to answer your questions or respond to your comments. sitting right next to me is cheap over the lawn. he's a french journalist here in berlin. and to my left and

a little bit further away is lisa luis, correspondence, who is based in paris to both of you. welcome. i just quickly want to uh, tell our viewers how to get involved. and it's extremely easy. just head to the comment section in our ask dw, live stream on youtube. now once you're there, you can post of your questions and comments, and we will go down the list and we will try to get as many in as possible. don't be shy, we're looking forward to hearing from you. well, we're going to get started with your questions in just a moment, but 1st, a recap of the french election and the day after the celebrations in paris. as the far right is defeated at the pools by the left wing st. pop you there. the new popular front. the make shift coalition of left wing parties came in 1st place in the surprise for posters and a relief for their candidates. not to get our people have clearly ruled out

the worst case scenario. so swap this evening. so the national riley is far from having the absolute majority of the commentators were predicting a week ago. quite the contrary. it had been a month of suspense for france, after centrist president emanuel mack hall called snap elections and a bid to catch a rising far right off guard and challenge them at the ballot box. the 1st round of votes did put me in the pens, anti immigration national rally party on track to win with some surveys predicting an outright majority. but after the centrist block collaborated with the left block, pull their support, they managed to pull off a shocked defeat of the far right. some national rally, supporters watching the results couldn't believe their eyes. or i thought we were going to have at least $250.00 impedes. so i'm disappointed they make smaller then

it's true that the crowd locked in the popular front joint forces to block the national rally. so yes, a lot of people voted for a barricade. the french were like beavers blocking the national rally. and it's a shame because they didn't vote for ideas. they voted against ideas of what they visited. the jury is still out on whether mack home got what he wanted from his big gamble block came in 2nd place. and the centrist prime minister, gabrielle atalla, with whom i call, had govern side by side, announced his resignation. sunday night. but when he went to my calling to make good on his promise, the president told him to stay on temporarily as prime minister for the sake of stability. it's the 1st salvo and what promises to be a heated debate over who's in charge of the left is the biggest for us and the divided parliament. the choice of prime minister is ultimately and my colleagues hands the prince still in search instability. let's get the conversation started

now with our correspond at least louise she is in paris and be here at the table is to be met along who's a french journalist based here in berlin. and lisa, i'm going to start with, you know, we saw these images of people cheering. last night when the results were announced, were they cheering because the left his alliance came in 1st or were they cheering? because marie le pens national rally did not come in 1st. i think the answer to that is but really you know, many people were really excited. they were also very surprised last night. no one was expecting that result because all the polls ahead of the 2nd round. if anything had shown that the far right national riley would come 1st. and then in between round one and round 2, which was only one week. lots of people actually got into action. they sprung into action. they were across the territory just to be entering flyers. and many people

were appealing to a to is to vote for the candidates that were not from the file. right. there was also a number about 200 what they called jesus to more so people, you know, some candidates withdrew from the race who came to in the 1st round of ratings. the older contributed to the results on being different from what everybody was expecting. hence, these scenes of, you know, exuberant joy last night because no one was thinking that that would be the outcome . yeah. see, but how did everybody get so surprised last night? well, i think that's what, let's just say that the, the, the electronic system is slightly complicated between the 2 of this and, you know, going to 3 red races when candidates with pro it can really completely change the outcome of the election. so that's why a pause didn't see that in the, in the 1st place after the 1st round of the elections. but over the week, as the candidates withdrew, you could tell that it would end in many,

many constituencies in just a 2 way race. and, and in the end, what's people seem to have realized is that the funds was facing a historic moment. is like some comparable to the breakfast for funding where you have to decides about the issue which decision on the faith of your country is that was what was at stake here at the the me breaks. it was also for many an existential, but was what we saw yesterday was that for many french motors, an existential question. i think it came roughly to, to this and question where people had the feeling. the vote within the results of the election will impact the owner. we are like what happens moving forward? well, that's the big question and i don't think anyone knows quite well as of today.

what's going to happen? as you've said, there is no clear majority for anyone. obviously the left wing block 10 folks isn't, which is a surprise, but it's the 100 seats away from an accident metro. right? and the same goes for the centrist alliance or wrong. so, um, but what did you hear from your colleagues today here in germany? because i'm sure the people that the german journalists watching what happened yesterday. i mean, maybe they were abused somewhat because you're kind of in a situation where you have to do politics the way the germans do apologise. yeah, absolutely. um i, i spoke to a few german and b 's today for august paper and they said basically the same that we french have to learn how to negotiate and do the crisis. but it's not quite the kind of trying funds. i mean, we have a culture where the, the main policy kind of dominates and

a set the agenda and not really tries to find compromises. if you see the, the president has a huge power. it's a presidential system. and now we have to learn how it probably a month. i read them across the way the words. i'm wondering lisa, is this a steep learning curve that the french politics is about to experience will be, what do you see happening next? be it because as it stands right now, no one really has a claim on being in control a while. absolutely, as people just said, the french really will have to learn how to form and how to work in correlations. i've been speaking with a few new members of parliament and our members of parliament that return to the office today here, right behind me at the national assembly today. and they were, you know, was asking them, how are you going to make this work? and this that, you know, i think we should be in charge. that was someone from the center. and then i talked to someone from left say,

i think we should be in charge. and every one actually wanted to impose their own agenda that own program. i think there's still a lot of leeway that actually have to walk many, many minds to find some kind of compromise and work together together. maybe look good at to germany. i actually awesome. and do you, are you looking to do them? i need you to that german way of forming correlations and use that well, i really have to look into that. you have to look into that. i mean, when you say they're going to have to learn how to find consensus and find compromise, what top timeframe are we talking about here? i mean, i heard i heard today. some commentators saying years of political morales, is that realistic? as well as prison in my cos, count the souls, the national assembly, again for at least one year. so is likely that a base will take at least a few weeks. we know that the different sides,

different political parties on know now looking into which name, if they can put forward for a possible prime minister there for now, i understand rob discussing negotiate and on the less, but also from the, at the, in the center. you know, people from, for example, the new popular front thinking about what they could offer it to bring people to the negotiations table. it's very difficult to say how long that will take at least a few days, possibly a few weeks, possibly a few months. but it's true that this is all looking very good unless fronds really climbs up that very steep learning curve and, and learns how to work together. this is really not very much into friends themes so far. yeah, i mean you could we see, but before the next presidential election, which is what? 2027 is it? is it feasible? is it possible that my chronic because snap elections again? i mean could we be going through this all over again?

well, not before you have time, it will say once that your time has passed. well it's, i mean if for some us pollutions and phones and commentators, it is even likely scenario that even if a government is, is booth. and it may not last more than a year is not so of one quite as i can tell you in politics it is actually uh, italian. oh, belgian politics when is stage of between palaces and instability. so when we to try to get probably the least bad option, and that's what all these are trying to do. now, what could maxine could he could he find a way to benefit from having a home parliament to be? no one has actually majorities but there in parliament cuz he may be playing these groups off of each other. it's a, it's a fair question. um and also bearing in mind that the results of the election

was bad for my claim. but it wasn't as bad as we expected it last week. mm hm. so, um, you still have some leeway and, and considering the fact that they may not be a possible majority based on, you know, body collisions. you may end up having to designate a, some sort of a technician, governments like we have to meet the reason why you're the only difference in technical who would feel would be, let's say, the prime minister of the mean. is there a name and then would it have to come from or from the i mean the business my call has of presidents has the riots, according to the constitution, to designate whoever it was the only trouble is the this prime minister may be kicked out by the by the mentor was a vote of confidence wherever he would want to pull. he would want to take

a prime minister from his party or his alliance, but they don't have the votes to justify that, right. so he's got to go to the left us alliance. well, that's if it tries to bring up a political equation. but if you have a technician come in, yeah, they would have to choose someone being accepted by the i guess, the majority of the bosses, are there any names you can throw out of that someone you could imagine who the, i don't want to go there. you know, we knew tiny, they took a central bank of, i guess it could be an option, but it's hard to, to know it. it's popularity to come through that option. i mean, the 1st in defense base policies will try to, to, to form of government even if it means mine over to governments. i mean, they can also try and remind you that the, the, the last government, the current government didn't use activity since 2022 am. i know exactly what exactly i want to go back to my regular pins, party lease,

and just ask you can kind of talk us through how the french are viewing this. they did not win yesterday, but they did receive the most in votes of any political party, which in absolute terms means that they are the largest political party in france right now as well. and the french last is always the arguing that they should be the one, you know, the ones putting forwards a prime minister. but the question is really, as to both said, who would it be at the french, the left, the reliance includes 4 parties. that is the fall of friends and friends and both the green policy, the communist and the socialists, and at them on by themselves, they don't have a majority in parliament. so they need the support from centrist forces. now the, the members of friends and vote for, you know, as only middle shoals movement,

they are quite controversial and it's very unlikely that any of them will actually gather the support necessary to, you know, to bring together government that will be stable, will not be very to down by policy, but what about john? lose? what age on? lose the la on lisa, what about the only village on could, could he be a prime minister that macro on would pick? i mean, is it would that work? i don't think it would really say, i mean everybody as even even members of his every move might even members of the left wing. the lines are saying, it's only been also should not be prime minister. the problem is that he's such are this device of finger here in front that it would be very, very difficult for him to get the support of members of the parties. actually, the president said ahead of the 2nd round affecting that he would not recommend that he actually was talking about the extremes. so that he would be the ramparts, whose pocket would be the ramparts against the far right. but also the far less

than with that he was talking about l. s e, about about small sunbrook fronds and boat. and obviously it's only going to show always been criticized for anti semitic remarks. and in the past, we're not condemning me. they come us attack after you know enough to in october and israel's not joining them terrace. the so divisive is very unlikely that he might be a problem and it's a bringing together forces from different sides is it sounds very promising. we're getting comments and questions from you. i'm a viewer called bar cottage says that this is likely the last election without a far right victory. they've been entering closer with each election to but that was what i was um, i'm just thinking about earlier. i mean they, they got the most votes of any party in this election. i mean, that is, it sounded like a losing party. if stipulations are called again, would that be when they would have the momentum would,

would they be able to then to when outright well, what we can say i placed is that the momentum speaks for the national run. even with $143.00 seats is twice as much us in the last national assembly. and even the number of votes in the 1st run to the had 10000000 voters, which was also twice as much as last time and then 122. so definitely this spotty, she's becoming more and more mainstream and more and more accepted and some, but apparently they're still a republican front. and when it comes to a very concrete sweats, i've been seen as a threat by at least half of the population. then the voters seem to still want to block the somebody when i send us a, what needs the national to rally, do move. they want to come quit power, which is the way they want. it was my live and is probably, i mean,

in the school more into this kind of establish polity, mainstream potty and put the acts together with what was really striking during the campaign was that they came with figures and decisions and measures that contradicted themselves over the campaign, so it made the impression of a policy set, the southern, the willing to take power and set them to as well more ready to take power then it was 10 years ago, but not as ready as they wanted to. well, is there any center of the road left, though in french politics would be if we go back to the 1st round of learning, that's when we saw the national rally when and now the 2nd round, the building we see this left is the lines we're going from it seems from the outside of things we're going from one extreme to the other and this interest the people and maybe he would have voted for macro and they're kind of left out in the cold. well, that's the situation we're on. now it's

a society really divided between these 3 blogs and i think that's how friends looks like right now. and, you know, people of the, the national riley voters will certainly feel angry and bitter about the outcome. since the few that come 1st and the 1st place, they feel they have the republican friends told the victory. yeah. but that's how politics have been working in funds over the last decades. and it's uh the roots of the game. i mean, if i look at the calendar right now, i mean it today is july 8th, and one of our viewers. harry seldon writes, it's summer anyway. france is on hold for 2 months. then strikes will come in september as usual. so no change there. i mean, it is true, you've got the olympics coming up this month and then it's august when everyone is on holiday on vacation. so is it realistic to think that any movement is going to

take place until sometime in september? i don't think anyone can say how much time it's it would take but um i wouldn't be surprised if if it took a month. i mean look at badging there. they've been with always a government for 500 days. and i mean, i'm no choice quite of the the more that we strive. yeah, exactly. um, but i mean, if you look at it in a snickers manner, you can say about those types of school then wrong decisions. let me ask lisa in paris lisa, i mean you're no better than anyone here. we are, we're facing the olympics this month. and then we've got vacation, vacation, all i ever wanted vacation in august. i mean, is it realistic to expect political france to do anything until september as well? i think they have trying to come up with a new name for a prime minister, but it's for now as you know, prisoner my call has asked i believe i tried to stay on as prime minister or even

as car take our prime minister. the goal here seems to be to get at least through the olympics until august them there are the power olympics later on in august and you're right. i think it's quite unlikely that much will move during these 2 months to come. but that might be negotiations going on in the background to at least find some kind, some kind of common ground, which they can work on in september to build a new government that could be a government of national union. mm hm. we, we, we got a question for, you were cover lean of elena, she wrote, and she was just asked me, how is this going to affect the french economy? it's about, i mean, will it affect the french economy well, and it's, it's twitter. and in any case uh with stunning poles, the writing agency or say today that the it would put the, the writing in the pressure if the pro fees is more than expected or if the deficit is higher than expected. and then it will be because the, the form of government and said they were gonna save

$20000000.00 euros in the cover institution. we don't see how that might happen. so that's one thing. and it will surely make markets nervous and the longer it, it gets to more markets, my different levels and the, and the more, the, the, the, there is a venture on the growth of phones and of their, your opinion. and these are, what would you say about this, or need most cities at least anticipate an economic bump when they're hosting the olympics? what happens afterwards is a different story, but our, our, is that the french situation at the moment, that's why i've actually looked into vos, in stories i did in the past. and actually when you looked at the to nomics, these are supplied funds, but it's doesn't, it wouldn't be games. don't have a huge impact on the host countries economy. a overall i'm what made me

talk about, you know, invest those reactions to a yesterday's results. when you look at the markets as a table just said they are been nervous. there was actually some volatility at on, you know, europe in markets. but it looks like investors are for now really watching what's happening in front. it might be that might have reacted in a more drastic way if the far right national russ at the national rally had come to power. for now, it looks like france might face a period of standstill, and that means that the country will not move forward very much, but it doesn't mean that the economy would crumble. eva cbo, we've got like several comments from actually lots of the viewers here. the comment is, what about marine the penn national rally creating a coalition of the far right. i mean, we're pulling people away from these other alliances. do you see that as

a possibility? um you mean in from so you're not in different department. right, right. right. so i'm in france. yeah, of whether they've, they've started already since they've convinced the head of learning from the town, which is a center. right. knology compatibility, compatibility of the city you in germany and the, the head of the party already joined the national reality, which was a very controversial decision. it got kicked out of his policy. what is the, all the members of the, of the potty trained? so if you came out i'm, i'm sure what the national run a will try to convince some more members of the body. and they have roughly 60 seats. so it may be a, a, you know, pause, they can dig into. but before they succeed it's, it's, it seems very, very long, you know, way before they manage to get more than you know,

2050 seats. so i don't see that somebody said, oh, you're saying that it's you, but they, they, they one in the 1st round of voting rights. they came in 1st place and what is to stop them from increasing in popularity? nothing is increasing and prevent already. i think it's going to happen anyhow. the question is whether for that election or not go that direction, they manage to get some people moving from one to 10 to the other. but i think it's, it's rather unlikely that it's happens in, in big figures. but what you're saying is that the, what you're asking is whether the people in the end vote for them, i think the likely a scenario is that, you know, at some stage if the country becomes actually power lies. yeah. so you may have another election in a year where you can't repeat the same game every year until the 2027 isn't. that

isn't the, the what marine opinions hoping will happen that elections will be called, called again and the frustration. yeah. in the among people in the public will be so great that it will feed into the national rally. it's weird and at some stage it might also falls in my new, in my cool to step down which up in to now he from the rejected. but it's hard to imagine a president leading a country for another 3 years if the country, so if it's finalized. so if we might end up in a situation where i'm not now and not maybe maybe not in the next couple of months . but in a year time, if the situation remains very instead of the main menu and likewise, no other choice then to step down and call for new presidential election. and in that case the electrical system is such that it would be a race between 2 major potters. or 2 major candidates,

and mine will fit in that case, might have a real chance. okay. okay, that's one possibility. but he, he has really nothing to lose now. right? he can't run for another term. so he has between now and 2027 to effect change if at all possible if he has a 100 parliament. i mean, this would be an opportunity for him to, as i asked earlier, you know, to, to maybe pick and choose cherry pick and maybe get something accomplished. i mean, what would be the incentive for him to throw that for, went away and say, i'm done. when i'm on the face of it, there's no upside to decide this, but um we don't know yet how the solution would be in the year time. i'm not sure if people want to the country people influence but also outside product. walter country that is completely stuck. so now this is not the question. it may

have become a question in a few month, one of our viewers um its pronouncing this right to tear on st. desousa road. i feel sorry for the people of france. i mean, is there a reason to feel sorry for the people of france denied debo? well, there's plenty of reasons, different story for the people of funds, but people are funds like in any country, get the result that they did is a new way. so do you believe that, do you believe the results that we received from yesterday selection that, that is what the voters want to they get what they deserve as well. it's, it's, this is a society that is split between. i mean, i think it does reflect how people think and how the, the, it's not just the, the results of a complex electro system. it's also how the mood is, i think, in front and you have certainly a block and a growing block of far right. voters which sees and it's not necessarily as far

right, but they few issues like immigration, security, cost of living is not addressed as the should be by the, the current government or president government. and if you that might try a policies have never tried before. and then you have this block on the far left or in center left. it was different wings within this block. and, and, and i think for most of them is through a still issues a traditional to the left bought his social justice. but also blocking the far right to getting into power. and then you have the center body and it's the, the earlier my called photos who wanted someone with a nibble, a stable majority, and a stable economy. and they said i wanted to get your take on something that was said today on the other side of the atlantic of us president joe biden,

or who we know there's no.