to the end of the dream of revolution, july 20th on d. w. on complex on this week. our 1st interview with a subbing is really minutes. this is because of war began raising key questions on these governments tactics, human rights, and it's prisoners. and us accusations that the country has been bombing garza indiscriminately. i may try to please diaspora fast minnesota, but he wants nothing to do with jews who join empty will protest support. we ask why he's accusing sprains prime minister of anti semitism. once again, talks on a hostage release get on the way. but what are the chances of a breakthrough? the hosp, these families, one the government, they was elected to pico. another thing i'm gonna try to agree welcome

to come pick. so it out. it seems that ability talks will again take place this week over a possible deal on releasing. is there any hostages in pausing the fighting in gaza? what are the chances of a breakthrough this time to think it's all to, to do that aspect. it's hard to den, i hope we will reach an agreement. obviously, one of the main purpose of the war mode of the main goals is to bring back our hostages. 120 hostages that are still kept from us dungeons and daughters. and i hope that we could reach an agreement. apparently you're probably the so suddenly throw in a new list of non negotiable demands just before the talks are due to start again, the times of israel said he's move was met with and got by is rarely security officials and mediators who not for the 1st time accused him of trying to sabotage the deal. is that what he was trying to do for the last minute spoken very well?

no. i think that it's in areas to say it defied me this to is fully committed to bringing back to hostages that are kept by the months does of some us. and we have set goals for this war and we're not going to withdrawal. the goal is to defeat from us is to and highlight is military capabilities is political and government capabilities. and that, that is, uh, these are the goals that we've set and we're not going to move backwards from these goals in order to reach these goals beyond me himself, not the prior. it is still the, i mean the himself knows that we need to have a control control over the feed identical. we don't the same call. we don't the fatty matter and to allow the idea of forces. food scales movement all across a gas, a street and it,

these are the demands that are we cannot, uh, we cannot to give up these the elements and we can have the ceasefire. and we can release the demo east unfortunately. but we, we do it, you know, to bring back out people, but we won't give up the conditions to complete the mission of and now they didn't come us. it's me that didn't, and he's leaders, the army says, but you're not going to achieve your items chief idea of spokes bus and daniel had got reset and then interviewed last month on channel 13. whoever thinks we kind of remember, ne thomas is mistaken. making how must disappear, it's simply starting signed in the eyes of the public. a mazda is an idea how much is a political party? it's rooted in the hearts of the people. how much is the muslim brotherhood? it's been around for many, many years. judging by the results so far, he's right. as a 1st and foremost,

commodities suffering heavily is not one 3rd of its at least manual rich commanders . and he's also going to paul. although the philadelphia quote, we don't, uh, we have the dozens of tablets that are the main dollars that from these tablets have. he had the weapons coming, expose is coming from the satellite. but into that, and how much is an idea? is not something that i care about and just like in nazi germany with that was also an idea. it was an ideal, a logical movement. you don't care what a military spokesman says. i'm saying that we're not speaking about eliminating the ideal. i'm us. we're speaking about eliminating the tail of least of come us that go exactly why is that isn't that the the weapons factories of, from us is needed delegate, but it is,

this is what me to eliminate the idea. maybe the way we will be will be been, will be leaving the ideal come us. i don't care as long as it's come us as a military organization does not exist. so you talked about your aims of the war, but as far as the people are concerned, 2 sides of the as rarely public se, returning the hostages is more important than continuing the war. you are losing the face of the hostage families in the statement over the weekend. they said the people of israel boat at the time. and again, every poll that it's in favor of a full deal for the return of all the hostages. we will not allow government ministers to torpedo a deal once again and they threatened that if the government fails to accept a deal this time, millions will take to the streets. they're not impressed with the government's performance of a well 1st set of groups of february is of the hostages,

and also victims of the warriors failed, doing the wall with different voices. and some of them seeing that we need to go into a deed no matter what other conditions and obviously, and we could have disagreement. and all of them is 1st and foremost when this war it's not going to be easy. we made a significant progress as i, as i've said one 3rd of the 2 always of some us where eliminated most of these military and factoring capabilities. and besides capabilities, vouch and capabilities. most of the last most of these capabilities, we can't ever cease fire and we can release some fail least and but we cannot stop the war and we cannot allow, come us do so by while the war has gone on, mister chipley, israel's reputation has suffered greatly around the world for now, a majority of americans, your closest allies, disapprove, of israel's conduct to the war, 55 percent against. and so does that government,

despite on your progress stations about protecting civilians, president biden has accused israel point blank of indiscriminate bombing. one of the most serious charges that can be leveled in more time. he is in a position to know what he's talking about is that you have the closest possible intelligence connections between israel and the us to 1st, i not aware already of the western army calls for civilians to exact weight. and the as well at docs are going to be lounged in a tax water rates again, the state has come us a it positions and the idea is extremely careful in regarding to civilian lives. and i think more than any of the wisdom of me at about the p. o. and i've seen the polls many books. eh, how about harry? said others,

and most of the population in america as the subordinate easily, i guess we do have a chatted with the younger generation and, and we would need to do a lot of work of education. and it at public diplomacy it to have a better situation in terms of public diplomacy. but as the main nation now is to win this war against a jihad, these general society organizations was threatened to commit the crimes of october 7 raping, murdering be heading, neutralizing bodies again and again and again. so it's, it's not that we have a choice here, and we didn't, we did not choose add to this war. it wasn't our initiated, we were attacked. and this is a very natural response to do these attacks. under what circumstances is indiscriminate bombing? not of all crime in your view. what do you mean,

the indiscriminate dep bone being this is what president biden the cues do of indiscriminate bomb, the accused, but that's not the reality. the bomb things are so he doesn't know what you're talking about. okay. so how do i sound it's? it's a gas. he goes from us down. it's yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about. he's wrong. is wrong. a. mr. circular, you don't use 2000 palm bombs. if you want to go easy on civilians deal, which is why america, you from the if you of all the into if you call the civilians to evacuate fatality though it before. and then you use heavy logs because it's some cases, entire streets being trapped by bones. it all come us. i think it's absolutely a digital rate. so you pop company with the americans on that bite and himself said in may, civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bones,

the 2000 bomb bombs and other ways in which they meaning israel goes off the population centers the state department, also flagged bits concern say it was reasonable to assess that israel had, at times, used american weapons and amount of inconsistent with international law. that's quite an accusation. do you have, do you have the other opinion, how can you dial get and how much still it's while the in the condos at 20 meters, 50 me though sometimes 70 me. those been used the ground helping you do it without the heavy bombing. you can tell me how you do it. do you feel nothing for the huge number of casualties that you've caused? 38000 that move in a 2000 digit move in a 1000000 people displays thousands of palestinian children's dead. and which was, which was this war we still do. now i'm asking about how you feel about before the state. we didn't, you are,

this is life. this is life. we didn't you the life or palace gets the lower the life, eat so more you feel the lives a mass open war. we didn't choose this war. what do you want us to do it ok. you can get away with the burden. you can dial families that live raping the be great being murdering years and people in the bobby strolling in dialed ages. what, what do you expect us to do exactly? well, i'm present. barden expects you to listen to him these but people asking about better than by that i'm asking you as a reasonable human being. it's not, i'm not here to answer the question. i'm here to ask them to get your views, but by them those are the vacation. it's a little more obligation to eliminate come us whatever it takes. i think we're making huge efforts to prevent the kidding of civilians. and that

is despite the fact that hundreds of civilians are dissipated in the murder rather inc. raping of the lesson is ladies on october 7th. so this is not about prevents, this is about the future. we must sick your villages and i will people where those come us operate from liking for structures. schools hospitals is overriding from this even population. so he makes it very, very difficult to create adult of separation and to add a situation in which there are no civilian casualties. this is the war started war against the dial me. it's a war against a table. organizations were uses the population as human shields and you know, it,

you don't take kindly to criticism, do you? um you said you're not interested in building alliances, even with the diaspora. jews who take part in international protests against your military campaign. and god, why is not a role jew supposed to think the same way you do about this for no opposite. we can have disagreement. but if you're going without the semite, a muscle, boulders, medius, boulders, and so that's a problem. that's a problem. yeah. you called petro sanchez, the spanish prime minister in our dc. my for saying you had genuine doubts about whether israel was abiding by international law is present. and bob said, look in pressing a button, but what's going on to see might for expressing is no, no isn't no reason why a lot of them are not at all then why is pedro so you compare the sanches? do you compare sanchez divided? both have concerns very both up comes out very different. you think you can get it is hanging onto the sanchez but not about by that is that is sanchez is

a communist seeings. that's what we need. do we think so we need to reward the policy union with the state because of the events of october 7. sanchez came to offer fully the day of the hostage agreement to condemn easily and to be all around on the back of the hostages. in the most difficult way possible. so about sanches really uh i stand behind my words that some of the same like a and e responsive of is not a serious leader. and then bite and never said such things. yeah. the criticism and that's okay. and we can have disagreement, but i would not compare biden to sanchez. it's like to compare to biden to met on showing you think it'd be, can your comments about sensors are helpful to your country insulting and ridiculing important people?

or is it so could cell phones most of us will grab a wood? and when, when, when i see on to say like, like full being full, got away old men on shore and will refuse to rick obadiah from us as a tool that innovations refuse to come them at the mass up here of october 7. we have nothing to the bank with these kinds of leaders, the sky delete those are the lines would come us tables organizations be if it'd be about a senior authority. you complain about anti semitism in the west, but the protests against your action and guys are console. be explained the way as anti semitism can, but i never said that any demonstration against these this is it on the said mike at the can be created. so i think of the state of the is just like any other nation, and that's perfectly ok. but when you are blocking the entrance of the jewish students, add to go into the campus because they are the jewish at. that's the by some it is

a and when you are calling from the rebuild to the c, palestine will be free. meaning they will be no, we use rep, meaning if mcclin's and good general aside against the jewish people, then you are not the same light as so this is on the day some it isn't and saying that the please a stop on thinking guys our something like that and that is still the videos and we can drill a line in between the 2 as this was going on you and of a leading politicians, as we see continued to claim the moral high ground. your own human rights organizations have a very different view. your public committee against georgia slammed your armies treatment of detainees that it's, steve came from prison and the mega front and other facilities. and then there's really dr. who was station this confirmed, the collection of report sites and a pulling treatment of detainees, much of it,

amounting to torture. just this week he said in april 2 prisoners have their legs amputated due to having cost injuries, which unfortunately is a routine event where or compress it. he said in breaking the law or do care. so he's the vibrant democracy is as you can see, the human rights activist, the discussions in the supreme court uh this that a month base is now closed because of the complains of diesel depositions. and this is the state will be, is a, if you heard any criticism coming from human rights, actually based about the conditions of which in which the hostages are being held. if you heard something from the red cross about this, the, the conditions of the hostages or the feeling of the hostages inside chief, a hospital or in the i must done is that you heard anything uh like that coming from uh, from data. how much did we hear about the conditions in the state came on another

prison facilities since there was no public authorization. so people help out until the 45th day. and the red cross wasn't allowed to visit families when not informed of where that relatives were. these were 1st, disappearances went back that they mind is being closed because of the complaints that the conditions were not the we're not good enough. i don't think we need to give the some us still east and added the look statement. they need to receive the minimum and that we uh oh, by international nose and we spend by the installation of those. and well, if there any situation in which there is a problem, then we have a, a legal system to make sure we stand according to international level. you don't like human rights organizations do you, you have in the past dismissed them as anti semitic, and anti zionist,

whose purpose you claim is to undermine israel legitimacy and spilled the blood of it, soldiers and citizens. you actually said that as a conference 2 years ago, are you ready? and i really said gab of the criticism that you have to kind of construct this daughter for line cabinets. first deal to do to mine. you're saying human rights organizations. some of them have a clear political role pro bought a cd and organizations. for instance, the sha, for instance, but said in breaking the silence, the, the old, these organizations have any funded by a you were being states and the democracy that you're so proud of. it, i am proud that these organizations can operate, but some of these organizations, a whole style. several of these organizations with fight full, they knew about prisoners, but they won't fight for the rights of their own people. so therefore, i also have criticism to some of them and i distinguish some of the overrides um,

in a fair way, and not just against the, not just regarding to, uh, this, the rights of the, till least. and but those while doing everything to protect their, at least by 3 main silence when it our people without being bridge, which are massive, accurate rate. these organizations in that i mentioned some of them breaking the silence. but tell them, i think diesel buddies, ations, and i believe you got all that he's ations, an envelope of writing against del overwriting against the state of reason. let's, let's look at the day off to the war ends. whenever that is going to be secretary of state anthony blank and says that has to be a clear political plan, a clear humanitarian plan in order to ensure how much does not in any shape or form was you control of gaza. you're never going to agree to palestinian statehood next to you. i you the 1st of all them,

if you examine the situation the enjoyed it in terms of the, the population. most of the population was about a senior is around 70 percent and it was established on the british model that's always valid. stein. uh, and i'm not sure that the you can say that the palestinians doesn't have rights there. so they have rights, but we need to have in about a senior. then we have disagreement with jordan. i think we can afford both only injured in somalia. i see if we could afford autonomy in gaza. we cannot afford the full, the state was allow me and i think this is the biggest. this is of october 7. am actually the best fox tool, the palestinians, head of state a small state in gaza. we evacuated 21 villages that we have destroyed

a little on villages. we evacuated 10000 people from their homes in order to bring the piece, you know, to, to allow that, but as tedious to govern. uh, guys out. and you saw outside the, you know, the thing that they allowed to be loaded. i bought it came out to you. you were like prison guards outside the prison instead of in the reason why prison. because nobody could leave without your say. so nobody could enter without the ball the data boulder with egypt and ops date with, with whom, with whom you co operate, where did you sleep? yes. when did you have the modem with you did? they can though they had thousands of them. were able to walk you news or and to bring salaries back home. there was trade where we've got them and we received october 7. so what is the lesson? do you want us to evaluate multi digit as the last one is more from the fact that you facilitated the funding of hamas in order to divide and conquer the

palestinians. fitness you to prevent them from speaking with a single voice knowing but how most of the palestinian authority would be at each other's throats. you promote the shooting that they chose, the palestinians in guide that shows in elections from us. and you chose not have them find that zone shows come on us. they chose come us. they chose according to the scott to you research institute, to so both even now to support october of 7 law 2nd, they do not regret. then my 2nd of october 7, they are responsible, human beings, they could've chosen otherwise. they could have turned the gaza into single pole. they could have invest not in manufacturing, the size and 900 kilometers of pilots beneath the ground. but to build hours, hotels, factories, they didn't do it,

they wanted us, they didn't do it on the same land that you want a state. and as your 1st prime minister david been go to and said a 100 years ago, there is no solution to this. both of you want the same land, both of you want to have it as states that is no solution to this the last time. did you as approve david? been grand, right. but i think that what we have we're seeing is that is a, is a culture of lice, with prosperity, of no hatred towards the palestinians. you can go into every single adoption that out in the news that and ask the kids about the song. i was born for peace to arrive. in hebrew i need not be the shuttle she lock you the and you can go to any can them in gaza and as the kids in gaza. what of the taught about did

use about this table is always lead to eliminate them. yeah. go at doc. this is the policy in any education and by the way, it's not just come us, but also to be at all. this is the big difference between palestinians and use of that is look to cherish life. we cherish live, they cherish day. strictly that's as body guy, diona g of the muslim brotherhood. although kind of valley or pa submitted button or hold them see, i mean, who's saying in general side equal ideology, racist ideology, out of this they might die. the all is you. that is the reality. they can choose to create in gaza state a flourishing state with an economy. it didn't do it. all right, mr. typically,

we run out of time. thanks very much for being on comfort zone. thanks for you. the

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