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the, the, the own comfort zone, this week. our 1st interview with a subbing is really minutes. this is because of all began raising key questions on his government's tactics, human rights and its prisons and us accusations. so if the country has been bombing garza indiscriminately, i mean side chick, please. diaspora fast minister, but he wants nothing to do with jews who join m t o protests abroad. we ask why he's accusing sprains prime minister of anti semitism. once again, talks on a hostage release get on the way. but what are the chances of a breakthrough? the hosp whose families one the government say one less it to pico. another thing
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i'm gonna try to clear you welcome to come pick. so it out. it seems that ability talks will again take place this week over a possible deal on releasing is rarely hostages, and pausing the fighting and gaza for the chances of a breakthrough. this time to think it's all to dad and phil ashby to talk to them. i hope we will reach an agreement. obviously, what of the main purpose of the war mode of the main goals is to bring back our hostages. 120 hostages that are still kept from us dungeons and daughters. and i hope that we can reach an agreement. apparently you're probably to so suddenly throw in a new list of non negotiable dom ons just before the 12 to do to start again. the times of israel said he's move was met with and got by is rarely security officials and mediators who not for the 1st time accused him of trying to sabotage the deal.
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is that what he was trying to do for the last minute spoken very well? no, i think that it seemed areas to say it to the defied me this to is fully committed to bringing back the hostages that are kept by the months doesn't from us. and we have set goals for this war and we're not going to withdrawal. the goal is to defeat from us, is to and highlight is military capabilities is political and government and capabilities. and that, that is, uh, these are the goals that we've set and we're not going to move backwards from these goals in order to reach these goals. the ami himself, not the prior. it is still the, i mean, the me, himself knows. but we need to have a control control over the feed identical. we don't the same call. we don't the fatty matter and to allow the idea of forces. food scales movement
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all across a gas, a streets, and it, these are the demands that are we cannot, uh, we cannot uh give up these uh elements and we can have the ceasefire. and we can release the demo east unfortunately, but we, we do it in order to bring back out people, but we won't give up the conditions to complete the mission of and now they didn't come us. it's me that didn't, and he's leaders, the army says, but you're not going to achieve your items g 5, you have spokes bus and daniel had got reset and then interview last month on channel 13. whoever thinks we kind of limit ne, thomas is mistaken. making how must disappear, it's simply starting, signed in the eyes of the public. a mazda is an idea of how mazda is a political party. it's rooted in the hearts of the people. how much is the muslim brotherhood? it's been around for many, many years. judging by the results so far he's right is the 1st and foremost come
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us is suffering heavily is not one 3rd of its at least manual roots commanders and he's also going to pull it. although the philadelphia quote, we don't. uh, we have the dozens of colors that are the main dollars that from these tablets have he had the weapons coming. expose is coming from the satellite. but into that and how much is an idea? is not something that i care about. and just like in nazi germany with that was also an idea. it was in, i do a logical movement. you don't care what a military spokesman says. i'm saying that we're not speaking about eliminating the deal. i'm us, we are speaking about eliminating the tail of least of come us. the exactly why is that isn't that the, the weapons factories of
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a mass is needed delegate, but it is. this is what me to eliminate the idea. maybe the way we will be will be better be leaving the ideal come us. i don't care as long as it's come us as a military organization does not exist. so you talked about your aims of the wall, but as far as the people are concerned, 2 sides of the as rarely public se, returning the hostages is more important than continuing the war. you are losing the face of the hostage families in the statement over the weekend. they said the people of israel voted time and again in every poll that it's in favor of a full deal for the return of all the hostages. we will not allow government ministers to torpedo a deal once again and they threatened that if the government fails to accept a deal to stop, millions will take to the streets. they're not impressed with the government's performance ave. well, 1st set of groups of february is of the hostages,
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and also victims of the warriors failed, doing the wall with different voices. and some of them seeing that we need to go into a deed no matter what other conditions and obviously, and we can have disagreement. and all of them is 1st and foremost do in this war. it's not going to be easy. we made a significant progress as i, as i've said one 3rd of the to always of some us, we are eliminated. most of these military and factoring capabilities. and besides capabilities, vouch and capabilities. most of the last most of these capabilities, we can't ever cease fire and we can release some fail least and but we cannot stop the war. and we cannot allow come, us do so by. and while the war has gone on, mister checkley, israel's reputation has suffered greatly around the world. for now, a majority of americans, your closest allies, disapprove,
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of israel's conduct to the war, 55 percent against. and so does that government, despite the on your progress stations about protecting civilians, president biden has accused israel point blank of indiscriminate bombing, one of the most serious charges that can be leveled in more time. he is in a position to know what he's talking about is that you have the closest possible intelligence connections between israel and the us to 1st, i not aware already of the western army calls for civilians to exact weight. and the as well at docs are going to be lounged in the docks. water rates again stay is come, us a it positions. and the idea is extremely careful that in, regarding to civilian lights, and i think more than any of the wisdom of me at about the p. o. and
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i've seen the polls many pools, and how about harry said others and most of the population in america, as the support would easily, i guess we do have a challenge with the younger generation and, and we would need to do a lot of work of education and it at public diplomacy, it to have a better situation in terms of public diplomacy. but and the main mission now is to win this war against a jihad, these general society organizations was threatened to commit the crimes of october 7, raping, murdering, be heading huge, relating bodies again and again and again. so it's, it's not that we have a choice here, and we didn't, we did not choose add to this war. it wasn't our initiated, we were attacked. and this is a very natural response to these attacks under what circumstances is indiscriminate bombing north of all crime in your view. what do you mean the
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indiscriminate dep bone being this is what president biden the cues, 2 of indiscriminate bomber yeah. cues, but that's not the reality. the bomb things are so he doesn't know what you're talking about. okay. so how do i sound it's, it's a gas, it good come us down. it's yes, he doesn't know what he's talking about. he's wrong. is wrong. mister strictly, you don't use 2000 palm bombs if you want to go easy on civilians deal, which is why am i right? yeah. you friend, if you of all the into, if you call the civilians to evacuate baterri deleted before and then you use heavy logs because it's some cases, entire streets being trapped by bonds at all from us. i think it's absolutely legitimate. so you bought the company with the americans on that bite and himself said in may, civilians have been killed and gaza as
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a consequence of those volumes, the 2000 bomb bombs and other ways in which they meaning israel goes off the population centers the state department also flagged its concern, saying it was reasonable to assess that israel had, at times, used american weapons and amount of inconsistent with international law. that's quite an accusation. do you have, do you have the other opinion, how can you dial good and how much still it's while the in the condos at 20 meters, 50 me though sometimes 70 me. those been used the ground helping you do it without the heavy bombing. you can tell me how we do it. do you feel nothing for the huge number of casualties that you've caused? 38000, that more of an a 2000 injured more than a 1000000 people displays thousands of palestinians children's dead. and which was, which was this war, me spelt him. no,
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i'm asking about how you feel about before. let's say we didn't you are, this is what this is life. this is life. we didn't use the life full pallets. good, so i work a life, eat some, or you feel the story. i lives a mass opened war. we didn't choose this war. what do you want us to do it? ok. you can get away with the burning and die of families that live raping, be raping, murdering years and people in the bobby strolling and dial villages. what, what do you expect us to do exactly? well, the environment expects you to listen to him these, but the last thing about brett, it in by that i'm asking you as a reasonable human being, it's not, i'm not here to answer the question. i'm here to ask them to get your views, but bite and those ideally the vacation. it's a little more obligation to eliminate come us whatever it takes. i think we're making huge efforts to prevent beginning of civilians. and that
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is despite the fact that hundreds of civilians are dissipated in the murder rather inc. raping of the lesson is ladies on october 7th. so this is not about prevents, this is about the future. we must seek your villages and i will people where those come us operate from what are you liking for structures? schools. hospitals is overriding from this even population. so he makes it very, very difficult to create adult the separation and to add a situation in which did all know civilian casualties. this is the war started war against it on me. it's a war against a table that is ations, were uses the population as human shields and you know, it,
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you don't take kindly to criticism, do you? um you said you are not interested in building alliances, even with diaspora. jews who take part in international protests against your military campaign and gaza. why is that a role jew supposed to think the same way you do about this for no opposite. we can have disagreement, but if you're going without the semite, a muscle, boulders, medius, boulders, and so that's a problem. that's a problem. yeah. you called pedro sanchez, the spanish prime minister 90. so you might say you had genuine doubts about whether israel was abiding by international law, is present a box that is present in bite. and also a 9 to see might for expressing is no, no isn't no reason why a lot of them are not at all then why is pedro so you compare the sanches? do you compare sanchez divided? both have concerns. very. both top comes out very different. you think you can get the same on your lot, sanchez, but not about by that is that is sanchez. he's
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a communist me things, but that's what we need do those things. we need to reward the palestinian with the state because of the events of october 7. sanchez came to alaska fully the day of the hostage agreement to condemn easily. and to be all around on the back of the hostages in the most difficult way possible. so about sanches really i stand behind my words that some of the same like a and e responsive of is not a serious leader. and then by didn't never said such things you had to criticism and that's ok. and we can have disagreement, but i would not compare bite into sanchez. it's like to compel by then to mit on showing. do you think it'd be, can your comments about sensors are helpful to your country insulting and
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ridiculing important people? or is it it sounds good so most, most of us will grab a wood. and with what when i see on to say like, like full being all got away old metal. and she will and will refuse to rick obadiah come us as a tool organizations will refuse to come them at the mass up here of october 7, we have nothing to the bank with these kinds of leaders. these kinds of re, those are the line with come us. table organizations be if it'd be about a cd affility, you're complaining about anti semitism in the west, but the protests against your action in garza console be explaining the way as anti semitism can. but i never said that any demonstration against these that is it. on the said make act and the can be created. so i think of the state of the as a just like any other nation. and that's perfectly ok. but when you are blocking the entrance of the jewish students had to go into the account was because they are
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the jewish at, that's a by some it is a. and when you are calling from the rebuild to the c, palestine will be free. meaning they will be no, we use route, meaning if mcclin's in good general aside against the jewish people, then you are not the same light as so this is on by somebody's him and saying that the please, a stop to bumping in gaza or something like that. and that is still videos and we can draw a line in between the 2 as this was going on, you and leading politicians as we seem continue to pay the moral high ground your own human rights organizations have a very different view, your public committee against torture slammed your armies treatment of detainees, and it's steve came out of prison and the mega front and other facilities. and then there's really dr. who was station this confirmed the collection of report, citing
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a pulling treatment of detainees much a bit amounting to torture. just this week he said in april 2 prisoners have their legs amputated due to having cost injuries, which unfortunately is a routine event where or compress it. you said in breaking the law or do you care so easily. it is a vibrant democracy is as you didn't see, the human rights activist, the discussions in the supreme court uh this that they mon base is now closed because of the complains of diesel depositions. and this is the state of is a, if you heard any criticism coming from human rights, actually based about the conditions of which in which the hostages are being held. if you heard something from the red cross about this the, the conditions of the hostages or the, uh, killing of, uh, hostages inside ship a hospital or in the how must done is that you heard anything. uh like that coming from uh, from augusta. how much did we hear about the conditions in the state came on
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another prison facilities since there was no public authorization. so people help out until the 45th day and the red cross wasn't allowed to visit. families were not informed of whether relatives were these were forced disappearances went back that the money is being closed because of the complains that the conditions we're not, we're not good enough. i don't think we need to give the some us still waste and it looks treatment they need to receive the minimum and that we uh oh, by international or nose and we spend by the installation of those. and well, if there any situation in which there is a problem, then we have a legal system to make sure we stand according to international level. you don't like human rights organizations do you,
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you have in the past dismissed them as anti semitic, and anti zionist, whose purpose you claim is to undermine israel legitimacy and spilled the blood of it, soldiers and citizens. you actually said that as a conference 2 years ago, are you ready? and i would really say gab of the criticism that you have to kind of construct this, the line cabinets 1st, the legitimate and you're saying human rights organizations. some of them have a clear political role pro bought a cd and organizations. for instance, the sha, for instance, but said in breaking the silence, the they got organizations an invalid for writing against the overriding, against the state of reason. let's, let's look at the day off to the war ends. whenever that is going to be secretary of state anthony blank. i'm says that has to be a clear political plan, a clear humanitarian plan in order to ensure how much does not in any shape or form was you control of gaza. you're never going to agree to palestinian statehood next
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to you. are you the 1st of all them, if you examine the situation the image rolled it in terms of the, the population most of the population was about a senior is around 70 percent. and it was established on the british model that always palestine. uh, and i'm not sure that the you can say that the palestinians doesn't have rights the so they have rights, but we need to have in the policy. you know, we have disagreement with jordan. i think we can afford both only injured in somalia. i see we could afford autonomy and gaza. we cannot afford the full estate, we didn't all mean. and i think this is the biggest, this is of october 7. am actually the best fox to the palestinians, head of state, as well as state in gaza. we evacuated 21 villages that we have destroyed
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a little on villages. we evacuated 10000 people from their homes in order to bring the piece, you know, to, to allow that, but as tedious to govern. uh, guys out. and you saw outside the, you know, the reason that they allowed to be alone, not able to, came out to you. you would like prison gods outside the prison instead of in the reason why prison. because nobody could leave without your say. so nobody could. and without you left a level of all the data boulder with egypt and upstate with, with whom, with whom you co operate. what did you like? yes. when did you the modem with you did? they can though they had thousands of them, were able to walk the news or, and to bring salaries back home. there was trade where we've got them and we received october 7. so what is the lesson? do you want this to evacuate all villages?
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the lesson is more from the fact that you facilitated the funding of hamas in order to divide and conquer the palestinians. didn't you to prevent them from speaking with a single voice knowing but how much of the palestinian authority would be at each other's throats? you promote the training that they chose, the palestinians in guide that shows in elections from us. and you chose not have them sign that zone shows come on us. they chose come us, they chose, according to the scott to you researching. they do to so both even now to support october of 7 law. second, they do not regret. then my 2nd of october 7, they are responsible, human beings. they could have chosen otherwise, they could have turned the gaza into single pole. they could have invest not in manufacturing, the size and 900 kilometers of pilot when use the ground. but to build hours, hotels, factories,
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they didn't do it. they wanted us, they didn't do it on the same line, but you want a state. and as your 1st prime minister david been go to and said a 100 years ago, there is no solution to this. both of you want the same line. both of you want to have it as states that is no solution to this the last time. did you as approve? david? been grand, right. but i think that's what we were seeing is that is a, is a culture of lice, with prosperity, of no hatred towards the palestinians. you can go into every single adoption that out. i mean, is that and that's the kids about the song. i was born for peace to arrive, and hebrew i need not be the shuttle and she lock, you'd be a and you can go to any kinda doubt in gaza and ask the kids in gaza.
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what are they taught about? did use about this table is obviously to eliminate them. yeah. go at doc. this is the policy in any education and by the way, it's not just come us, but also to be at o. this is the big difference between palestinians and use that is listed here. we are each live we cherish live. they cherish that mr. typically, that's as body guide you on a g of the muslim brotherhood. although the kind of valley will pass them in a bundle of them will be, i mean if we say any general side equal ideology, racist ideology of this, they might ideology. that is the reality they can choose to create in gaza state a flourishing state. it was an economy, it didn't do it. all right,
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