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brutality and politics. the welcome to this week's to the point, i'm probably and i guess i'll meet today's guest people. my. the alarm is the berlin correspondent for the friendship business daily lives. a cool? yeah. kim is eyes is a freelance journalist, political analyst, and honorary professor at a french university stairs and berlin and sariah ser. heidi nelson is an american journalist and the host of the common ground berlin podcast. 12, you're welcome. thank you for being here. and i'd like to start with you sariah, what was your 1st reaction when you heard about the shooting against donald trump? was it just foreseeable steps and this political bones? um, it was shocking. i mean, one would argue because of the gun culture that it's, it's a comments saying, but i definitely, i mean i, i was fortunate enough i guess,

or unfortunate enough to wake up at 1 am our time here in germany and was able to see it sort of on live as, as it were. so it was quite shocking. and do you think it was foreseeable or student, or in any way of shocking why and then and it, well, there's so much rhetoric about violence. you would think that one wouldn't be shocked anymore, but i guess i didn't think it would be him who would be targeted. certainly a lot of the targets we've heard a lot about media. us have been from the democratic side of the aisle or their spouse is the case of nancy pelosi. um so yeah. so that i think it was the fact that it was him and that it was so open at an event like that that there were so much secret service. and that the 20 year old to get that close to fire off an a r 15 rifle. york, we've also seen this destination attempt here in europe most recently again. so back his appointment is to robert feed. so how do you think these 2 cases compare? i think them basically they are quite different. um i, i think uh, apart from the gun culture which is not that of developed in europe still the best

of politicians. i think the background is very different if you have a different aggressive, a political language which is much more seems to be much more aggressive at the stage of the political debates. but as in the, if you have an increase of this and you of as well, but i think in the united states it has a lot of division. and i think i can't imagine luckily that there will be an estimation of a candidate for the private and so for the drum and private is still for the french president in europe. but we have seen attempts to a sold and even murder candidates in germany as well. not in that high political level, but now others. yeah, i don't know if they are. yeah. they but they, i think have a more router background. i think it's much less violent still in comparison with the united states. and of course you never had to have shootings in the early ninety's of other minnesota germany as well,

but the happens as well. but i think it's not that dangerous. i think in, in the debates here as in the united states, the western democracies are seeing more and more violence, but also more willingness to vote for extreme political movements to the left and to the right. do you think those 2 developments go hand in hand? yeah, i mean probably, but what we see is that the debate is becoming more and more polarized and the capacity of people to talk with the, to the way, if they, if they belong to. um, you know, the opposite box is, is, is, is getting less and less here i think. and, you know, to some extent, you can, you can see that the, the rhetoric of the political part is pretty additions has to be, can us become more and more aggressive. and you, you never know to, you know, how far its way to go with its stuff was, was, or will it go into

a deep like in the, in the states. what we've seen in the more recent political companion funds we had for 2 elections. you open elections and put them into an election slightly. we did see an act of violence against petitions and to an extent that is probably new. you didn't come to to that sort of violence like against him. but surely there is a trend in that direction. time certainly seem to be changing now non violent communication, maybe a buzz word on social media and podcast, but apparently not in politics. democracy it seems, is increasingly becoming a fight using words and using weapons. shots fired on camera. us presidential candidate donald trump narrowly escaped in assassination during a campaign rally. slovakia is head of government, robert feats so is hit by several bullets leaving him critically injured. and the

brutal attack against german s p b m e p. mateus, eka interrupted, was literally a slap in the face of democracy attacks instead of arguments motivated by hate and politicians become the boogeyman. meanwhile, the political center is suffering like recently in france. many voters rally behind parties on the political french, the extreme left new popular front and the extreme right. national rally and in germany, berlin is nervous about the upcoming state elections in the eastern part of the country where the right wing populace a f. b, with its hateful slogans, are leading in the polls. extreme politics is the political center becoming increasingly irrelevant. the. now people, why do you think it is that what we would call a same moderate inclusive political message just doesn't seem to be working anymore

. well, i think the, this message has come, i'm rudely from the fault is from the center center left or saint a ride. and that is a positive which, which has been on the power over the last decades. and obviously when, when you want to pop out you, you try to bring solutions to sometimes complex problems and solutions on the simple warehouse, properly specialties, i'm default, right, so far left would tend to an offer. and i found a bunch of simple solutions and i think people longed to that sort of disclose and, and, and swift, and simple solutions which they feel they don't have really are coming from the position of bodies. so that's where the one explanations when explanation and, and but down many, many factors why people are, we tend to, to,

to vote for extreme or bodies. and that's one of them is cost of living. one of them is also an integration security or that plays a role and it's difficult to know what comes to us, but truly the center, right and left bought is more and more challenged in all the western democracies. speaking of those west or democracy, you are an expert on russia and you wrote a book called the german russia illusion rush. i took advantage of the trump shooting and immediately used it to point out what they considered the downfall of the west. do you think this type of violence is a symptom of liberal democracies? i guess it's, it's becoming more and more of a symptom. because of course, the, the democratic debates have fundamentally changed, which was the social media of internet communications. and you're still not a very how this can as role abused by a for him, powers like boss or like 29th, as long as he could anymore today. but it's still difficult to really become

a valve at the end of costs of this weaknesses of democracies, most of democracies to find solutions, a exploited by putting for instance. and i think this is a, the big challenge as well for the establish bodies of the centers into less than the right to really couldn't convince the people in europe about the possibility of solutions and to talk to points for the problems they have. the policy in particular javi, i don't know, and all the states is much more to hide the problems because it's too difficult to explain them and to lose voltage in the directions. and i think this is a key challenge for this type of spot is really to come to a point to, to point to the problems and to really try to solve that. so the problem was the last government to say that particular drum, he had been to hide the problems not to be false to schools. and do you think that can also cause this regression by voters and the citizens? and so, yes, because then the people need to and,

and trust in the people in the government to deliver security for it's as one of the problems of the local. we use the communal problems of migration. that if a potties to establish problems that even not ready to, to, to point to them and to, to understand the problems of a pod from solving them is already a big cause for this, this content of the people election and elections and prepare a, prefer the populace the simple answers which are available to you. now sariah coming back to the us, the trump shooting is quite complex. it's because it was not an obvious by the supporter attacking the republican candidate from what we know so far. how do you assess the way republicans and democrats have actually dealt with this and says, well, it's the usual equation where one side is blaming the other. i mean, the republicans right away. we're talking about the fact that this young man had given $15.00 to some progressive cause that was not abundantly clear. he also came

from a quote unquote mixed family where i think the mother was a democrat and the father was republican in a community that was well to do. it just shows a lot of the frustrations. and i think the problem in america is that social media does drive us to some extent, the political discourse. discourse drives us to some extent, but everybody invite invents their own facts immediately is used to sort of polarize the situation and this was no different even though a recent survey show that people are saying all the political discourses becoming too violent to 84 percent saying it's time to ratchet it down, but then what they actually do, it actually is something else. do you think of all those calls for unity that we saw from joe biden, for instance, and other, a full edition is also in the republican party. we're not really that honest then of do you think they still this? well, i think they, you know, i mean, the republicans, i don't know who said there were who's calling for unity, but i don't really hear that at the convention. we're back to planning joe biden,

using a phrase that was perhaps unfortunate that could be used to show that this uh, that somehow ronald donald trump, sorry, should be targeted. i. so yeah, i don't think there are necessarily being honest. i think it is something you want to say, because you think it's what people want to hear, but then it's back to business as usual, which is progressively, or i should say, it's as a re graphic, you know, it's, it's not a, it's not a healthy, healthy thing in a democracy, it certainly isn't. uh, if we take a look at this that i can uh or slow that example. uh you like, robert fitz over the prime minister handled the situation similarly, and it's saying that it was political rivals, the media, and even george soros were responsible for the attack that he suffered. is there a way of capitalizing on such a sensitive event? i guess the cause of agents are too good. capitalizing on that the to supports. i'm the 1st creation of, of, of, of the victims. and of course he can, i mean is the best example is not from how is it like supporting of the situation

and he's the sleep. but really brilliant that usually if it's in that situation, causing this iconic picture of the flat on the face and showing the fees to, to them was type of built fide. i mean, this is probably the best part of your football game that you can can have from the i think this is the same of the other extreme radical policies the same as being and would like to, again, to make the difference. and in the united states, i think it's more us by the, somebody clicked, kick, legalize the republican mall, a fight against the state itself, because they, they fight against the deep so called deep states that this, they want to take it back to the political boot. this is, i think, a slightly different in, in europe. this is the more disappointed because this contentment, 7 political trouble signal thoughts of lots refundable, fundamental challenge to the form of democracy, vc and the live states. when we take a look at the example in france,

people you already mentioned at the beginning, france hasn't seen these types of attacks on high level politicians so far, despite a very strong this content among the french population. why do you think that is what's different there? uh um, i'm not sure. we, we, we did have uh there was um, this one's sufficient attempt on child to go, but it was quite a while ago. 62. but it's, i don't know exactly what it's an interesting question. why such things happen in some countries or not? in other countries? what, what is the full front is known for its capacity to demonstrate go on the street. so that's probably one way to express anger and, and perhaps it helps. but to interestingly be we don't have assess the nation attempts, as you may have in the states. we don't have the same weapons low either, but, but never that as the, the roots of the problem remain. and to some extent,

even though there are differences between countries, they also submit all ideas or, you know, coming us back. so i would say we, we saw in the last election, people who voted for the far right had issues with the cost of living. and that's truly something was the rise of inflation. we saw someone in other countries. they also had issues with regression, all was feeling of insecurity. but as you know, coming to to many, many democracies. so i have the comment i've heard most after the shooting is trump will now when the election in november there's still a long way to go. but the how do you assess the impact of the shooting and the outcome of the election? well, there's no doubt it is getting him points and in polls and surveys and that iconic image that we've talked about a number of times is something that he's going to be able to draw on for the election. certainly we saw a bump for reagan when he was shot, you know, and, and it was a different dynamic but so that,

that does help them. but there's so much in play that. yeah, that we don't know. we don't know whether joe biden is actually going to step back . now there seems to be some indication that he's thinking about it to some extent i've, but again, that's still a, any question. we don't know. we don't know the introduction of j. d vance. you know, and what that will have, i mean, there is some popularity there. the goal obviously was to reach to the mega make america great crowd that is poor or you know, working class that isn't in, that comes from states you know, that will hopefully or, and then with, i think drop us will be for is that that will cal supposes way, so we don't know about, you know, there's, there are still too many unknowns to be able to say definitively that donald trump is going to want. but there is no doubt that the shooting gave him a very, a boost, a big boost. we'll have to look into that future because with or without the shooting, it seems increasingly likely, at least as donald trump might return to power in 2025 development. many in europe are concerned about because after 4 years of the 1st trump administration,

leaders here know that trump is not exactly a fan of your or what is donald trump wins the us presidential election. in europe, alarm bells are sounding off because trump never hit is hostility toward the new. during his last term in office, he called it an enemy of the usa, a brutal trading partner, and worse than china. he's also repeatedly challenge nieto even threatening to leave the alliance. he doesn't want to protect member states delinquent in their payments. trumpets even said that russia can do whatever it wants with them. your opinions are also worried about the impact of a 2nd. trump term on the economy for trump, america 1st means a world trade order that prioritize this economic protectionism over a transatlantic partnership. a sense of deja vu is being

felt in brussels is a divided europe ready for more donald trump it's time for those. what have sariah, i'd like to start with you. we've heard the republican national convention and 1st ideas about a possible 2nd trump presidency. what would you expect from a 2nd, trump term with regards to its policy towards the european union? oh, i think the europe is going to be in for a hard time. i mean, i think that the, the pressure on nato is going to be very great in terms of germany. you have spawn even mention today. i think of that he, that the germany has to fulfill its 2 percent of gdp obligation to funding its defense and that is still not there. i think we're going to see also a lot more focus on asia, which is something that people forget that america is not. you know, the kinds of relation perhaps, is more important to europe that it is to america. that there is definitely an asia pivot, no matter who's in the white house, and that's going to be, i think, more pronounced. i think terrorists are coming. i think it evaluation of the dollar

is coming. it's. it's going to be a rocky ride for europe. i'm afraid, iraq, you right, that requires unity, a table of their opinion and would need to stand united with a possibly hostile you as president. how difficult do you think that will be considering the current political landscape? well, it's, it's, it has been difficult in the past and it will be shortly even more difficult. now, i am not only because, you know, with the policies that will be always tired of and most likely against you. but also because as you're saying that the political landscape is become more and more fragmented. and what we see is that in france, which is the 2nd largest economy in europe and union is it is very and stuff, but we don't have a proper government yet. we don't know for how long we lost it may take weeks if the month before we have a, a full blown government and, and, and that will surely make it more difficult for the opinion and for friends in

germany to find a common language to really come in positions, and because we know we, we do have different interests. we, we have common interest, obviously as are your opinion to stand together. but we also have because of all the structure of economy, different interest in, in, in germany, the kind history is extremely important for, you know, if you're talking about free trade in front of maybe more luxury goods that so we'll see how that, that combines but truly the fact that funds is in a very unstable situation. world, how not to talk about coming collections in germany in september these here, but also in september next year for the relevance and actions where we also have no clue what's going to happen. of course, one leader might be pleased to hear all of this you were talking about vladimir

putin essential figure to talk about when we talk about the future of your what would a return of donald trump mean for russia's emissions of putting this. so suddenly hoping that to something, to some extent, make a deal with him and accept occupations the russian illegal occupations of areas of employee. and that he wants to demonstrate to his type of capacity and to his a be a peacemaker like you tried before. so this is not very good for the, for your pin policy. i don't know which extent to put in if this is the best deal many, many directions open it's policy from build the finally follow after a potential, even the victor or victory of, of a trumpet stood quite crucial business depending upon the voters in only 7 5th

springs states and the other, okay? and so this is not, it's not, i'm not to not to be the clear, but i feel the policy of from bill b and the particular as to for international policies. so even as male, that $240.00, but nonetheless independence, the who will be in the election in washington in november. it's finally f. and finally, it's ultimately at stake and all of that. a gemini, fundamentally, we things it's defense, policy and culture. we still uh uh, leaving the secuity is admitted to the security against, for an address us in germany of us entirely on the burden of to nighted states in the claim of the united states to enhance and to improve for the major capacities of germany. uh, old, small them 30 is also the affordable guy and we still highest and uh behind our so called historical a shame that the name may never be again the great the,

to the power to, to the cause of the 2nd blood will. but this is, i'm, is either too much the overall, i think for this. and this is a dependency upon the from all bind bill. but for them, they are, as you mentioned, and they are a asian powers, as well as the asian focus, much more important at the bottom of fibers asia and ve noticed in germany or the put additions, notice about the one to avoid the, the political debate about the improving of military security. it requires a lot of investment in defense for the european union however, so i, if we listen to donald trump's remarks, for example, he has pledge said he would put an end to the warren ukraine within 24 hours. what do we know about that plan and what a p still that would mean. but i think you walk that back a little that, you know, he, he said it might take a little more than 24 hours, but yeah, i think it definitely, i mean if, if i had to predict, i think it definitely will mean that putting will be able to get some concessions,

the lab concessions he needs to be able to say, face whether he gets to take over the entire country of you, craig, you know, remains to be seen, but it is, it will be very bad news for ukraine. it will be very bad news for europe in many ways. again, i think economically it's going to be a bit of a struggle there, especially if they have the dollars the value of just being talked about quite a bit. that will be artificially devalued. i think that would really hurt the euro in a, in a bad way. so yeah, it's, it's not a grim prospect. i, i would say as a business journalist people, of course we just heard about the challenges for the european union. but lots of people have predicted that donald trump might come back to the presidency. it has your prepare for that potential scenario. well, that they've prepared, in a sense that they've had the trunk and the 1st base so that they know how it behaves. and then the know when he's a say something it is photo was,

was acts um and i guess the that's then perhaps new. and if you compare to a 2016 where people just in a didn't know when you what would happen in fact. and now you can say when since last saturday, the people in germany and from top preventing from more intensively on a possible reaction of another trump and i think that's going quite intensively. indeed, it's all in the making. it's all in the future. we'll see how that goes. we'll be here to discuss it. thank you to all 3 of you for being here today. and of course to you for watching. we'll see you next time. take care by the

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