i just saw, it was incredibly like this is very to providing you with free information, dw made for mind the last year, poland, the trends in europe and ousted the fall rights law and justice policy. so they've been in profit 8 years. but just how divided does the country remain? and how wide is the government that the far right party emerged in the european elections as the most popular among young people? my guess this week and more so is the justice minister adam button uh my opinion on that we are maybe a little bit let me think uh this kind of, um, a vision. how to talk about liberal values. how to talk about you're up to 2 young to young voters, few countries of what's the war and ukraine more closely than poland,

which was the time and again, the put in was much beyond his board is only no one. listen. what warnings does the government have for you? are these things i don't button uh welcome to come pick phone. hello good to see you. when he won the election last year, your prime minister, donald tusk, told everyone, this is the end, the bad times. poland, one democracy, one you spoke a little too soon, didn't a democracy. there's actually a long way for being one in poland. isn't it? i think the idea or the sauce of being in the system of the e bureau and democracy or kind of a some of your retirement system. i think it was, it was good to say those things that we are going to be back of the democratic track. and the law tools along with of the coalition partners is guarantee that we are going into the democratic direction. but of course,

and then you're the transition requires a lot of time and energy to make it properly in order to make that democracy sustainable and long term. the factors, though you're still battling a stage operators captured by the last government judges loyal to the last ruling party. unimpressive in the line to them lose vito. you are not powerful enough to over time. so you, you have a lot of battles before you can time victory having to this show boss of basically, um, i think the worst case scenario should be to say that we can have the adjustment of ink and just wait for the change of the president. so we have 24 institutions, and interestingly you can make a lot of the reforms not only waiting for the adoption of the just not to not i also by simply making like a profound, a deep discussion will. those drives as one of those by making the friend personal changes as well as accountability processes. and he, paul, that these day so, so basically that is my task on the one that has to go follow up with. you see this

all the reforms on the other hand, to make a deep changes in those fields where it is possible to good accordance with low. um you, i, i appreciate it. do you want to make changes and you want to know the forms, but the president andre dude has actively worked against you in january, he was in fact, sheltering in the presidential palace to form a law and justice ministers who have been convicted of abuse of par where are you surprised that he'd go to such lengths to try to of what your government you know, i think this case was very special one and the only one that had to illustrate the power on the 1st month of law. on the other hand, it shows that the president was a, was basically called in a little bit like a political and east additional trop. i'll do you want me to please note it is the verdict of the call to the cause being that a given that you dance of the december of 2023. after

a number of years of the gulf fights, the dead tore. and based on the evaluation of so called 1st pilot part of the money made by mister president. and so interestingly, president of poland and we do not made a part of the already in 2015 regarding the state of washington. so companies cute, although it was a part on inc, wait after the car, so far as these thoughts and the interesting, the after 8 years it was possible to achieve a, the called the court of sucker with his mouth saying that this part of the vipers that did not matter, i understand, but it was a huge challenge to you wasn't good. i'm wondering since the president tom runs out the middle of next year. how your government will co exist with him until then. the police know that in this situation, those to dump them out of order put in prison and do a release of the 2 weeks of being prison. after the 2nd part, the ink of the president,

did you under estimate how hard it was going to be to dismantle the operators installed by the law. just as part of your, your deputy day. i've called you as mer to code the damage to problems, legal system, a catastrophe. it runs deep on us through stomach level. you said this isn't a task that will take months or a year. it's going to take an, an taught term of office to undo. if you all to keep your coalition together, you're gonna have to show some results. so pretty quickly on to in this, to this process, it could be long term. uh, i need my last for longer than just a couple of months, splitting all this stuff, and the bro power has been built over 8 years. so its just these moms things, this including some personal changes. it cannot take place just we'd be in a couple of weeks or holes. but i think one of the things for us i basically did is like a huge pressure on those things is comfortability. so the interest angle, you for a number of people in polar, it does not that important wherever those institutions are working properly again

or not. but it is important that the people that were using power this were simply spending money. this were using public funds for political purposes, are facing responsibility for those kinds of they've committed either about okay, oh well they, you know, we want, we do everything in the car. those were law by the interest bingley just a couple of weeks ago. i have something me through the one the motion to lift the parliamentary immunity to one of the 2 to one of the deputy ministers. there was another motion of the preparation. there are a lot of different cases and the inc. we are going to also make accountability full of so called smear. that's the case complain of useful these judges. so i would say that it takes time, but i think we see was over week of that. so the results of the leave. but of course, the event at least thing to the shelly minute, the value is submission of the view of indictment does not mean uh,

fluid comfortability because she wants to give a, the judgement of the court of the new, the final judgment of the call. but still, i think from the point of view of the police people, the, they see that things are going on, that things are going fall off. it is already acquired in photos for the our perspective on what is happening right now in poland. one of president do it, as advisors said that removing the $3000.00 judges appointed during the previous government's 10, you could cause huge legal problems and go down the mind. huge numbers of rulings that they've made. she's life isn't. i think the you mean most of the appropriate companies? yes, i do. yes. yeah. so the chief of the test salary of the president of the of course use right. but the reason all of the dispatchers will do is just use quite differentiated. some of them are so called a name them rookie charges, so the objective score for his graduates of the school is for admission of the, of the national school for just sharing procedures and services. and they didn't

have an opportunity then just to become judges open limitation of the restaurant kinds of, of judiciary. some of that are the people that made a choice of the candidates for hire just to show positions by his national accounts . you have to be sure. so i think the, with my task is to find like the best way to make a bed, think of those judges and 2nd, to make those with this. but i think it's such a way as not to undermine the final, the 2 objectives of having you shouldn't be reached by with the participation. because if we were to show it, i know that all the documents you should buy them. then of course, it would mean a cost in the system, so that's why it is the issue that requires a deep reflection that i'm going to ask for the finance commission for the, the deep um, evaluation of with different procedures or of i think of judges and i know that i have to meet here like to uh, conflicting values on do i tend to get to show the independence of the i tend to do

the show and the ghost ability and pull it. but there is a danger that your reference that reform could cause chaos and actually power lies to adjust the system goods you. and there's always such always bugging me. you know, there is the, there is the reason why we should predict the outcome of things. and we shouldn't go to quickly with those changes and seconds, you know, here we know that we've missed the president with this prison. then we cannot make any betting of judges because he claims that all that you to show me day shows that we're way right here. are valid and we've out and it said the uh uh, or maybe without it, if los as compared to the position of the court of justice of the you and the repeat, called acumen rights. both courts claim that there is a flaw industry to show them the nation, so we have to rebut this law. but that's why we need to have some time. you know that to make like a proper process of letting up those dentist, mr. but now despite your election, when poland remains deeply divided,

doesn't that didn't last is election. your civic coalition actually got few a votes from the lord. justice coalition, 6600000 to 7600000. a move up to 30 percent of the electric didn't support. i have a block since i prefer the smaller parties. not very encouraging. was it? i think that the, you know, we are very satisfied with the result of the problem into our elections. i think nobody believe in the success of the democratic colleagues sion, i think right now whenever you're after local elections and do a permanent directions, we have like deeper reflection on what people expect. of course, up all these politics. he's very divided and we see still quite strong position of that and just about the and also some that's the out there, not the right week of the pop these but it, but i mean, you know, i would ask you simply tool deliver on differently reforms that we have to think about not only level of, i don't say about that if jp last rights and we those rights to but,

but i think what is for me personally and both of these that we should take about some level of homeless, the integrity professional, always with the public life, so you know, all the different a spouse is of my work. i tried to show that that i knew come back those polices with the respect to those basic principles of openness, transparency and dignity minister. very you mentioned the european elections, your group beat low on just this but only just to get to send 21 any piece to brussels, but they'll send 20 less than last time but only one seat behind you the show that your democracy at least for now is a pretty fragile construct and a lot of the country doesn't support you, especially your liberal attitudes on the issues like abortion and same sex marriage that has to limit your scope from a move. uh does this i think it is. uh, i think it was, you know, this kind of approach before you repeating that,

actions that the parties that are forming their willing coalition should not create the values these topics in the politics that we sent in was in the discussion regarding control and include those topics that are the only dividing lines between the early part t, but also and, and the justice. but also that there are like different scopes. and there are different views of those issues by a part this farming the really college. but i think right now it's clear that we have to believe that we have to make different changes. so for example, right now we've up to date, we've got some a novice, serious discussion concerning same sex register with partnerships. maybe we will, we will not have the same sex marriage yet, but for sure there is, um, i think we are getting closer to i dropped the law and the same thing, the same sites, registered partners, she maybe the during the recognition because right now you can make a correction of agenda by the child, the cartersville does, but we do have like

a proper latest on the procedure for this. and surely we have to put more than thousands on work respect for women's rights. the bad news for you in the european elections was the fact that the euro skeptic confederation, and much as the most popular party in permanent among young boats as the 18 to 29 years old. how much does that were you? i'm good. i'm worried because if you can judge, we should talk to way i'm going to generation them using their perspective, their language and the are we are thinking and in my opinion other we are maybe a little bit let me think this kind of a vision how to talk about liberal values, how to talk about europe to too young to young voters. you know, just, i would just give you an example. you know, i'm a 47. i remember when you know that to cross the bulk of poland, you have to, you know, have passed towards these eyes when it was not that easy when you know,

and it where this will go. the way some country was regarded as a kind of a miracle for us. okay. if you look into the duration, they don't even know what is the password about, okay? they are just traveling from even worse. simple barcelona, we just with id, you know, they don't, they don't understand what, what is like the real added value of the european union. what is that is the value of the free exchange of goods or a move of people in the opinion, these giving us a sense of security. so, you know, if you have a better to, and you breath we've this every day, you don't feel the necessity of taking care about this, that this should be clean and such a if i went through this much easier for uh, writing policies to kind of create uh, if you think of the a danger or even to make some, you know, quite a propaganda type of argumentation and that is much more attractive to the young voters. you mentioned the european union in january. you said the union was

extremely important for public brussels as an instrument for good and the destroyer . so we have a great loyalty to it. but this loyalty didn't extend rarely to the use reformed asylum. a migration policy, the new pots has its no, you're simply repeated the same veto as the previous government will protect poland against the relocation mechanism is how donald tusk bought it so much for the promise to reset the relations. this is only a partial reset, isn't that i would suggest that we have a full reset. come, you know, uh for me, from my perspective when you rejected the part you reject about a piece of news. let me tell uh, what i'm think about. okay. um, and from my perspective being the minister of justice that you might need from the you recovery plan has been unblocked. that's the 1st drink. second, article 7 of the treaty is not any longer in use regarding paul then the so basically we are now if we go to the country and always there is

a serious risk off by the undermining of the, of the rule of law. i think with as a little and migration package, it's quite a key of use an argument presented by the police government that basically poland is the only because accepted more than one medium refugees from ukraine without thinking about the of the hosting and the refugees. we have 3 can go through to buy the a football team to walk you forth in the ukraine. and basically there was the political argument behind the decision on the assignment of the migration. i understand that, but in, in v towing menu packed to upset the same human rights organizations that used to work closely with you when you human rights ombudsman especially says published border guards are once again being accused of mistreating migraines and pushing them but illegally the refugee charity, they also lane your foundation code. your government stands shameful and said to

continue the policy of law. and just as most people run away, dotted offloading from violent war and persecution, they have the button i wouldn't put up with that would be, you know, um, please know that. uh, i participate quite often in uh, in different meetings of, uh, different internal bodies. we've been the government dealing with security, with the boldest security with 10 of us. and then i'm also taking into account where these companies on the ball during the context of the, the wall, the happy what of the, why the russian aggression on, on you. right. and 1st we don't ended out that the situation that the typical situation of the boulder is the result of sako. so called hybrid war, which is instigated by the russian by the arrows regarding uh, the end. yeah, i need to change the words the somebody's ation of the situation in such countries as, as, as bullet. but you're all accused of an ego push backs. no, but,

but and 2nd think, you know, quite the majority of people that are crossing double the, i'm not interested in thinking poland, but they are just interested in moving forward to the, to jump on a job that you, you kind of just so they don't go on to event to be registered and i know that it with respect to those one wants to be registered and we would like to stay and pull that then to see for the international uh uh, the protection where companies they are soft with the appropriate and uh and they can stay in, in, in poland. you said that but human rights watch demanded in march that you got access to the published asylum procedure for foreigners who are seeking it, repeal unlawful, border regulations, legalize push backs and stop criminal prosecution and the harassment of civil society activists trying to help asylum seekers at the border is all that too much to ask, or i think the police google mines is blink. every single it should be done,

you know, the to put a proper balance between the needs of the police security and the right. and the respect for, for the month of the rights of those seeking for that protection on the old out them. but now would have been satisfied with that with the as i said, i be the minister of justice. uh, i still called the police. you have the government in this field. let's look here. we may have russian activities and problem, the prime minister nouns, 9 the rest of people alleged of profit acts of sabotage and poland, and co ordination with russian intelligence. do you have a solid case against these people? no, i am the prosecutor general and i know some of those cases. so you know, i might be one of those cases which was quite interesting from many different then goals. it was a plot concerning getting access to the different security procedures and the information regarding the apple tv special and the guide. because being uh, caught,

uh, was the guy collaborating with the g r u. and basically this whole action was possible . thanks for the cooperation of the police and ukrainian script services as well as police on the cranium, prosecutors out. so we are you being russians, military intelligence, excuse me, g. i mean you obviously military intelligence because they may have some freedom by the rush. um, uh, the address and you know, and those cases that were about putting fire in different places. they were also cases a light like this is the one where i think one of the most important cases was the case of the near brooks. well, where the guy was going to put fire under the factory of paints painting materials, unfortunately has to be stopped before doing this by the police, but the police decrypts services. so you don't need this quite a new phenomenon for us that we have that kind of new cases of expo nations. pull

that, you know, and for us also, what is quite important in your end. and the very radical one is that one of the police judges decided to every great from poland and the system assessment. and he became a, he started to cooperate with the vision and the new forces. so he goes, mean you mediately expands from the just to show the position and to he has been that the price of them, one of the just show the money to you is right now there is a european, the restore. and after he, you should, let's talk about the war in ukraine. if we may, um, from your vantage point, what are the chances you crime will lose that? and, you know, i think that i, what extent my company tends to comment on such a issues. please note that i do, i deal with a lot of issues, but i'm still most of just the prosecutor general, but i'm not that many still forming the 1st or i'm not that political or jo

political strategist or i'm always you talk totally about the hybrid war the russia is waging in poland. is this in your view stand the kremlin interference. so part of a bigger plan? yes i, i know that you would like for me to, to, to, to hear from me some more general um, argumentation regarding, uh, that is about to you know, uh there is the reason we have a great experience on those issues. ms. bennett and other stuff she called us key who has a deep knowledge about international relations and then the um to spend the golf that of the different, the restroom and implants as well. but you know, some of the cases of the 9 who be interested in, but maybe i will just talk to you about one more fee because i think you, you should be impulse. and you know, one of the important thing sheet ease of this government. and the problem is the tooth was the creation of a special committee,

kind of my advisory body to investigate different forms of rush. so if lawyers on police file, then this company doesn't need to create the just the weeks ago. it is composed of experts from different fields from forwarding to relations, uh from uh, and on the, but this, this information uh economy. uh and, and the economy side. uh, there also lawyer seen this. he does grow and i think it uh, its rowe could be quite interesting to evaluate what are the, of the possibilities of, of life with rob the off the listing the police. i believe these court so for example, i see that there is a lot of these information that the spreading quite easily and the police these cars that could be a result of the ration o'clock r o, we can see that there are, there were some activities to have a deeper influence on the energy sector on different fields of economy. so i think

it's quite impulsively my opinion on the complex of the police debate, you still kind of look deeply into different forms and my thoughts. oh, russian influence on a daily political life. this committee that you talked about, how long does it's about what it's saying. and poland, excuse me, i'm asking this committee that you mentioned, which is monitoring russian activities in poland. how long is it? it's about what it's saying. so i don't know yet what could be the result of the work of this coming teeth has been just, it has just started the walk about a, there is a, there is a strong pressure by the prime ministers on those by to me still being tardy or add to that this committee will to be quite a, to the how the wall kink been powerful in terms of signaling the franchise because of my peak is that sometimes we do not appreciate stored extends. i don't know,

some furies of looking at one of those. you nor i, architects of the 0 you're out of the optic vision of the world are later on, probably translated into the daily politics of you, friend you and member states including their opponents or how different methods of these information are used on the daily a database so, so my feedback is that the wall of this call may be called kind of also something bolton's fall of a new countries just to, to look at what, what are the potential and actual ways of people asking the public these course in different countries. at the bottom, uh thank you very much for being on complex. um i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much. so thank you. thank. thank you. the

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