the the, this is due to the news live from berlin, from us political leader. it is miles near killed in iran, both from us and a ron se near we just met with a ron's new president, was disseminated into abroad. mazda is blaming israel for the attack. i mean, it was one of the hallmark leaders most targeted by israel in the wake of the october 7th, tara tax, the little walk into the show. so you can do the envelope in berlin. we need off with some breaking news from us. political leader is while he has been assassinated into

crime. i'm offset and social media posts that i knew and his body guard had been killed at their residence in the country. no one immediately claimed responsibility for the assassination. what suspicion immediately fell on israel, which had vowed to kill him. yeah. and other leaders of hamas over the terrace groups. october 7th attacks on israel. a dw reporter all you all know marshall that is following this breaking news. ayana. what do we know about this attack so far? so what do we have so far? a 2 separate statements. one is from the roster of illusionary guards and the other one is from homos. so i'll called the 1st one run through the illusionary god say that the residence of his most near the head of the political office of how much the stomach resistance was hit into wrong. and as a result of this incident, he and one of his border guards were killed. then we also have homeless, they consume this attack and they blame. e's real right away. the call it is in

this attack and i'm quoting here. they also weren't of grace escalation, and the also told us attack a cover of me act that will not go unpunished. so talking about israel, of course, as you said, we haven't gotten any conformation yet, and we shouldn't expect this in really a short time. usually they don't concern that right away. so an israel has been trying to actually target honey a for a while off to be october 7th cetera tech. and apparently we still need to wait the full of the confirmation boss according to your reservation in regards to some us itself. he was successfully targeted, targeted. and also wanted to remind you that honey was in the wrong for the integration of the ron's new president's and she was targeted that image was residence. alright, so you're unable to show up with our news team. thank you very much.

and for more and those were joined by been him, been to lay blue. he's a senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies and he joins us from washington. then him welcome back to the show and explain this to us. how significant is honey, is that ok? well, it's great to be with you. again, this is a huge political set back for the rob back to our group. notice i'm off. honey, as you know, was in tamper on where the patron of that group actually resides in the i have met with the ron supreme leader and he runs 9th, president's the newest president and method position you on right after being sworn in mere hours before you shouldn't have a starter contrast, he was hobnobbing with senior political, religious, and military officials from these logical public seated next. the members of the constellation of terror and proxy forces that to everyone called the axes of resistance. channing get to america and israel and then hours later this news as you had just reported is bracing. i think if you had to contrast this with the

other reported assassination that we had spoken about earlier today at 11 use high ranking military official and the suburbs, i'd say boots. that one is designed to throw a tear group off balanced by robbing them of a certain capability by targeting a person that has a particular military aptitude. this is designed to send a strong political message and things that go 5050 right now with the rest of the gods of war, as well as the form page where the ron, because this attack did happen on there. so it should, we assumed in that israel is behind this assassination. we know that they've targeted top of most leaders that they know secret about that i do believe in this case it's, it's quite possible to connect the dots. i'm not sure if the is really is whatever come on potentially confirmed this story. they may have a political rationale to do so a bit later on. but a, the reporting timeline right now is quite tight and be they don't always confirm these things. but as you mentioned, there is a certain trend line here,

but even if we zoom out, there is a different picture and there's a picture not created by analysts or anything else as a picture related by a former intelligence minister. any ron, mr. eunice, if i'm not mistaken, where he talked about how punctured the state security services board. i believe he even said that no, we run into official or should sleep soundly at night ever since he said that and this was many years ago. well before cove it, so you've seen a whole series of things go, go bump in the night assassinations of people even uniform on iranian territory, targets kinetic and cyber against iranian military nuclear facilities. so this seems to be the latest in keeping with that trend that many winter in finger during all of those assassination attempts and espionage and cyber and sabotage operations out of for an intelligence service with this capability and intent. and where you put all of these together is realistic, most likely the attribute you said this assassination

a sense of statements. what will it actually mean for home us and it's organization to well, uh, in the goddess trip in particular, uh, the could mean 2 things. one, it could lead to the expanding of the military capabilities and assets and kind of coming out from using some of the human shields and, and betterments and, and betterments within some of the refugee populations in the gaza strip. and, and expanding of the military forces that as they have, or it could lead to greater external involvement to bail out her mouth if indeed the acts of resistance sees that that piece is about to be taken off the chessboard . and these really simple down trying to press their advantage again, things can go quite literally 5050 right now. it could lead to a major uptick that pushes these release back or can lead these release or provide these real easy opportunities. take the advantage of militarily double down because this was a politically studying move quite like what happened in january 2020 in iraq when

the us killed the wrong chief terrorist and head of the codes force, major general costs. and so my money or their successors waiting in the wings for her new and are they likely to be more milton? less milton. what are we likely to see? it's unclear button this, and this is the middle lease things. you can always get much worse, not better, but i will say this, there was again a sharp contrast in the logic of going after a political leader baterri organization versus own, with a certain localized capability, the intent if one is looking to cut off the head of the snake here is not to rob them, of a certain war fighting capability is that stunning kind of political effect that is usually followed up by something else. so again, all i should be on the region right now, not to assess political succession of what may happen with a potentially different secretary general of a mos in particular. what may happen in doha, where that group does have its political headquarters, but really what will happen on the ground and the israel guys of war,

as well as in all the other kind of connected fronts. for example, a couple of hours ago for the 1st time member there was a report that you run back for you, malicious, any rock had fired for the 1st time ever since october 7, ballistic missile towards israel. so there could be an intensification of the campaigns outside of israel against that country in the aftermath of this news. and can you tell us a little bit more about how new and how his role different from maybe the military structure that was still within garza? can i tend to believe that is some of the cleavages or stem charts that exist in western analytical and academic circles about a political wing versus the military wing is, is a bit more projection and aust, foisting at a different distinction without a difference onto some of these groups structures, um, i know for example that, you know, honey, is a distance from you could say the battlefield does not mean it would be any less

involved or does that mean with the less involved or not have any kind of knowledge in operations, particularly operations i that ended up becoming the october 7 terrorist attack. this person oversaw the structure just funding the channel and it is pulling away of money and assets and resources to make him us. what exactly it is, which is this resilience terror group in the gaza strip. and what about a ran itself, this happening on the, or on the, just in the immediate aftermath of the, in all your ration of as president. what does it mean for this country? what kind of statement? there's a sense about them. and as you've already touched on their security capabilities there, i think in a post, april, 13, april 14 world. and that was really a world in which these chemical public, which is for many of its covert and shadow and proxy wars um, from a distance and without kind of an overt kinetic elements with israel. now there's

always a non 0 chance after the reading fire drones, cruise missiles and ballistic. this was directly, it is real. there's always a chance that it could step out of the shadows again. and the animal question has been, what could be the trigger to get them to step out of the shadows? if i had to guess this wouldn't be it. again, it's very different to go after a whole series of i, r g, c commanders and syria and spill are running and blood. i'd have that'd be a different threshold for the use of force that to go after. one element of the runs acts of resistance on iranian soil, but nonetheless, because this act did happen on iranian so they're likely it's going to be a significant to run an element of the response. whether that's just quarantine to rhetorical or more financial and material support to his proxies that remains to be seen. but the fact that the i r g c and many, so semi official news outlets were so quick to confirm this news tells you that the regime is in the, in the business right now waiting through what has happened. and it's probably shaking through a response. all right, that's been him been so they blew with the foundation for the defense of

democracies. thank you very much. thank you. and we go over now to the w correspondent, rebecca rivers in jerusalem. rebecca, good morning. this news is still quite fresh. are there any reactions there so far? so yeah, this is incredibly fresh of very much as developing breaking story stevens. so we have had to take to date no reactions from the as railways. and as you heard from the guest who was just speaking there, it's very possible and pet, quite probable that we weren't here from israel, unlike with the retaliatory strike, we saw earlier it last night earlier on a tuesday evening in may rhodes? kidding. a key hezbollah come on the we will, where we had, you know, almost instant confirmation from the israeli millet tray that they participated in that attack is very likely that we will not hear from israel on this particular strikes. so it is certainly looking all accounts from what we're hearing and from

what we've been hearing from homeless and iran, that it is likely that the israel was responsible for this attack. so we may never get that confirmation from israel. i. this is certainly going to be a shock, if not a surprise, if you can separate those 2 things. a is my honey. i was certainly very much on the wanted list on israel is wanted list, and israel promised that they would go after the latest of her most in the aftermath of the vicious attack on october 7th. and they confirmed that's certainly what they have been doing here. now we have had some reaction from us. the terry group has the concern that isabelle honey and was killed in a rom, blaming a blaming israel. full that attack on a spokesman folder group has said this has a cowardly act that will not be in vain. it's something that they were prepared to, they said we are waging an, an open war to liberate jerusalem and we were ready,

are we all ready to pay an incredibly high price? so uh, obviously this news is going to be shocking for those across the region. but it may not come as a huge surprise is not honey. i was also named by the i c c a it is. um uh, i think uh the head prosecutor there. uh, requesting an arrest warrant for it is now honey a along with the yeah, yes. and well, i'm a day of to are the lead is now in israel, claiming that they did in fact eliminate the mohammed days in a, an attack a few weeks ago that has to not be 100 percent confirmed. but israel saying that is more than likely that he was killed in that attack. and now we say another later is mal honey, a also targeted so uh, the only person left on that i see see list list is he has yes. in one who is believed to still be alive in gauze. and now course this is right sitting up, know ready a tens of time in the region. we are hearing from all the accounts we have and it's

auto confirmation, but it does appear that unlike what we were hearing with the attack, that just happened earlier this evening in bay roots where israel was thought to have won the united states before carrying out that attack, it suddenly appears that this attack happened without any full pri warning to the united states. now one thing that this is, of course going to affect is the hostage negotiations is now honey. i played a key role even key in to look at her in those negotiations for the homicide, he often travelled as a delegation, as part of that have mass delegation to conduct those talks. now obviously that is going to, he's death is going to play a significant role in those ongoing negotiations. you'd have the correspondent rebecca rivers in jerusalem. thank you very much. i all right,

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