[000:00:00;00] the respects welcome to asked teen double you on your tv for live streaming on youtube as well. um the conflict and this is a program where we want to hear from you your questions. your comments today we're talking about the assassination of moss is political leader, is mohammed and what it means for the middle east, around the revolutionary guard says media was killed in a free don error strike on his residence in the uranium capital. the attack came just hours after he attended the non duration of vermont's new president. in toronto. there has been no claim of responsibility. but ron and from us both blame

israel. iran supreme leader ali from an a says his country has the duty to avenge honey is death as it occurred on a rainy and soil follow home. all my and i have 2 very knowledgeable guests with me in the studio. to answer your question, sony. rosanna is the though is middle east alice and, and see i could send her, he's with the counter extremism project and, and g o working to find the growing threat that extremist opinions and i the ologies post to the entire world. basically. now he has wide experience in diplomacy and intelligence and security. thank you so much for joining us today and very much looking forward to our conversation. and this format is based on the, the questions that you submit. so go on and post them in of the top on our youtube channel. you can hop on over there if you are not already there, while we're waiting to hear from you, i want to get the conversation started with our guest, johnny. what was your initial reaction to the killing of me?

well, i mean, the initial response is it's spectacular. just to think of, you know, how is it technically possible even to operate with such precision. but then when you zoom out and you process is a little bit, you try to understand where is all of this heading, what is the strategy is really is you know, amy and what is the end go to this war? and unfortunately, i don't see how this actually helped is real progress. it's long term goals of bringing back to hostages, or, you know, bringing down the themes into regions. this is a very, a israel is, tate took a very daring step and we get to see how, you know, how it will end up, you know, you know, unfolding and know, leach and how about events? how did you feel about the business, the crescendo of the last couple of days, which was particularly bad for the reading and organized boxes system, they call the acts of resistance. we had the death of sugar and, and they wrote deputy to us ra, you're have to make and forces attacking cookie,

pie spa in your ok. and now you have the since nation of on year an entire on really the, the heart of the excess of resistance. so that is where they was simply opportunity that in all of these cases, beta rolled for the attack. it is that it's a, it's very clear i need to vertically, a clear political message and that there is an escalation and that there is an escalation on a fairly broad front. not only against thomas, but the against this axis of resistance organized by around me. we'll get back to you in a 2nd, but 1st um, the uranium government says a funeral for honey and will be held in turn round before his body has been taken to guitar for burial. we want to dive into your questions, which just to remind you, you can post in our common section on youtube. but let's take a closer look at who is now, how many of us it is male hon. you agree? see runs new president and what would be one of his last meetings? just hours after attending the president's the ration he and his body dad,

we killed in a strike on his residence in tears. at the time of his days, new was the political face of home, of the militant is the miss group that carried out to be october 7th terror attacks on israel from us. spies is killed around 1200 people and took more than 250 of his hostage, nearly half of whom still health and java. tanya had not lived in gaza for several years, but ran home us from kata where he lived in exile. born near a guys of city brief, few g can the 62 year old was a child of palestinian refugees from the village of alger. yeah. ash, cologne. he joined him, us when it was founded in 1980 stephen and was arrested in jail by israel. during the 1st intifada, the uprising against is randy occupation. a new was exiled to live in on. but he returned to guns of following the 1993. also police, the code,

he became the palestinian prime minister in 2006, and continued to rise through how most his ranks eventually becoming its political chief and 2017 mazda is gaza. leda yes, yes. and what is believed to have been the mastermind of the october 7th, the tax. mia was seen as a more moderate pulse and home us of his last several of his own family members. and is really a tax on gaza, which have killed nearly $40000.00 people since being 3 of him use sons and 4 of his grandchildren were killed. and i pro at the time media insisted the dates would not fix on going sci fi and hostage tools. it tammy represented homeless internationally and moved around the region for diplomatic meetings. he was

a key player in negotiations to stop the fighting and gaza. some fia has killing will be a major sit back. and achieving piece in the region is really officials are at this point, refusing to comment on her knee is that israel is also not denying its involvement this behavior after a high profile killing. is that surprising? the procedure of israel, i hardly ever takes responsibility or admits any of that. but it's, you know, if you try to analyze who would have the interest to do that and the means to do that. it's really hard to find anybody else who is the immediate suspect, you know, the fingerprints of israel are kind of all over the speak to me. you know, also point out a money i was on his rules target list for a long time. that's one of the after october 7th. i mean, we know he's not the big mastermind orchestrating dr. 7th terror attacks, but at the same time being keys also known to be a, the, the, the brand, you know, the part, you know, in his role and, and how much he was the closest to ron,

bringing money, bringing you know, support. and also sometimes when he comes to, you know, technology and the kind of connections that you're on holes with is what we call proxies, is the convoluted. it's not a direct, you know, higher key there. but then at the same time, he was quite pivotal in that exit. so you know, the connections when you're wrong and what he meant. so what we can learn from his, you know, his behavior and you know, in choosing to go to a very well publicized event. well, plan to had the integration of the new presidential, you know, president any iran showing how safety felt the wrong, how protected he felt there, and how the it may be ranges themselves to felt that they were, you know, following their attack on his role in april felt like they've sent a message of the turns to israel and they can, you know, be more safe and secure. so just to show you how, why didn't did this message, as well as trying to send to run is resonating now in into her own hands,

you mentioned the killing of what sugar in bare root yesterday. israel did claim responsibility there. he was a high ranking leader of has the left. why would they claim responsibility there? but not if it turned out to actually have been them in this case. why not here? well, the sad truth is that uh, the government i live in on is really now side show to live in on the country, right. it really is a country that is thoroughly under the thumb of a spot last or israel clearly didn't feel the need to operate. escape it's involvement. their goal is part of that responds against the attack on the jews village on the goal on heights where a lot of kids were died. and this was really the opening shot of their response. i don't think it was the last one, but it was definitely opening shot. so they are very clearly declared responsibility. they're able to not declare responsibility in the around because they've never done so in the past. and they were a couple of clearances, nations that could only have been israel like in 2020 and i'll try to lead

a pass that on avenue or one of the key shopping streets any ron was, was killed. i then finally said a one of the key scientists was killed. they abducted some scientists and i, i just the offices revolutionary got offices and interrogated them inside iran in the past or is, or it has a network. but it never really officially takes responsibility for any of these operations in the country. and i want to pick up and one has said about the, the network. we need to understand the ability to execute such an operation on such short time. you know, it means you have to very be very well, deeply connected with operatives on the ground inside the ring and capital. i mean, as what's a correctly said, israel has done several operations before, mostly targeting a nuclear scientists. but you know, to know, to zoom in on the very room that he was in. um, and this was also such a surgical operation that we, as we have seen no collateral damage. there were 2 victims,

it was near and his body guard. so just to show you, you know, that, that, and this is a part of the message as well as trying here to send, just to show you how well connected in deep they have inputs. they infiltrated the vanya and you know, a position may be, or any other forces who would like to harm the ringing machine. i have some user questions i want to get to, but 1st i want to pick up on that because it sounds like a message being sent to iran. what about the timing? because that happened on the day the new president was inaugurated. what do you make of it? okay, i mean, this integration was in a garage in all the ration of a president, but it was also a meeting of the acts of resistance there who sees that send representative understand these, let me jot that send in a representative. the rocky munitions. this is, there are many shells, nero's there for hom, us even is spot. i had sent a representative. so it was both the integration of a, of the president, but also a meeting of the axes of resistance. and at least for one year the have confirmed

but the met position. yeah. and then he met for many, many so it is really now also we are in a situation where you're on is no longer managing these relationships, right. glenda's. finally, i do remember when i was at the embassy and tear on in 2005 to 2011. they would never really openly admit that there was a how much office everyone in the count knew that that wasn't how most of us knew whether how most of this was, but they would never hopefully speak about this. they would not, they would deny that they had a relationship for the with these and now inviting these lead us not only to the funeral of pricey, but also the migration of possession can. and having them gather that is certainly iran showing that is no longer using this proxy network in gland to sign minus, but that this is the mac and how effective in the region which they manipulate in whatever way they see me. and what time israel isn't having any of it. okay. and correct. and also when he talks about the opportunity,

the timing of honey i was listening carter which would be off ground of limits for israel because of it's very crucial. was the mediator in detox now and also because of the connections to be american and so on. and he's been to single turkey. that's a no go. it's a nato country ado on israel. a turkey relations are already is very fond as it is . so what's left is actually any other place and, you know, i think for is really the fact that he was into ron. and sort of like almost the cherry on the top and a sense of this is a degree in an extra message. they can send their, you know, closer to killing 2 to 2 birds with one stone. i think at the same time taking much higher risk, obviously. but i mean, luckily because otherwise this would have been a veteran. declaration of words as strike is a big what, what, what happened here saw, according to what you mean and media, it is really a suicide. black cropped drunk, right. which means that was a team on the ground that had that drone that knew how to fly. that's thrown into what window,

but it is different from the viewing and the act ross to settling over to air on and releasing iraq. and that would have been very clearly beyond the realm of deniability that would have been a glitch. a collaboration of war, which very clearly is rarely is not interested at this point. there is a lot happening in the chat. i want to sure get to that. i know there's so much to talk about. maybe there are so many questions coming in in the chat a tablet was asking a we have been hearing that. how much is the problem? so is the killing of a leader going to end the war shiny? well, i think that's a very simplified assumption. of course not, we're in a vicious cycle of violence that i think is real, have tried in the past, been moving several heads of a, of its enemies and whole need to realize someone else has taken the a position where no one is replaceable. and in that sense, it will be the same case with any else, was specifically in any, any use case. he's of the official leader of the political branch,

but actually how mosse today is run mostly by. yeah, he us in mark, he is in gaza. he is in the tunnels him and his brother considered to be the strong people of, from us actually taking most of the decisions orchestrating the october 7th event and so on. not to not to say this guy was not important enough. what was not, you know, causing enough them a cheese on the list of, you know, tourist on the american interest for us as an example, since 2018, he's definitely a guy who's been on the radar in very active. but then how much is also a very much of an organization that is very much widespread, is sort of a net kind of of, of compound and not so much of a key or higher key as you would imagine in modern, you know, as in western terms, of clear hierarchy. so in that aspect, nothing has been changed. you know what happens and guys that will keep on happening in gaza and any of the goals israel has set itself for, you know, a releasing of the hostages. for example, has not moved one inch closer, maybe only found himself actually retreating after today. how do you think this

will affect her mouse is political operation? yeah, no, probably not. absolutely agree. you concave yourself out of this problem, right? i mean, i rounded the news, curie i took off and you have seen the found off. i must most kept famously. so obviously there will be replacement. but i think what is really important to understand is that in the last couple of years, the external leadership still have control over the internal leadership and cause i invest back in 2014. the external leadership actually forced the leadership in gauze. i have to stop the consultation with the as well that no longer in that position. what has value in the consultation with israel, from us perspective, how the hostages and whoever has the hostages under his control. and this has been why has to save what's going on? that's why near and the how must team have been agreeing to some proposals from the americans from these really side, but always have to double check with send why and the last couple of months it was