flooding a kind of moves, that alia ja should, and andre pick off 2 people bottle. i told the guy that price that they had no idea, even on the morning that they were released, but they were going to be free. 2 of them even said they wanted to go back to russia to fight for freedom. i'm feel go invalid. and this is the day i the i was sudden i was going to die improvements prison. i did not believe i would ever see my wife again. i did, nobody will ever see my family again. this feels really serial. the school representing the f. s p. special forces who accompanied me to a school to me, told me literally the following. and farewell. you can of course, attend to rush. you're like no founding. you'll be arrested like the found they are your days will end just like the boundaries those causes of people that is still in

russian prisons and the they have to suffer 10 of the conditions and i think they would be happy to hear that it's possible to be safe also on the day and then pick the outrage on the boxing gender out of this threatening to over show the powers games. the algerian books was born female was registered female leave to life is a female boxed as female. has a female possible. this is not a transgender case. the welcome to the day 3 russian dissidents who were part of a historic swap of presidents between russian and the west. have been speaking about that or deals in jail and the man but, and the germans that he bought. and the day after arriving from russia as part of an east west prison as well involving 26 people. and they promised to continue

their opposition to the russian government from the broad, one of the men volume, a kind of that was 7 to 25 year prison sentence said he thought he would never will cash of an alive. i was certain i was going to die and put this prison. i did not believe i would ever see my wife again. i did. nobody will ever see my family again . so this thing was really serial. this thing was like a film i was setting i was going to die improvements person. none of us knew until the last moment. i only realized that what this was yesterday morning when i was out of the cell in the affordable. and i have to say that after spending a year straight here, as long as you can find me and i spend a year out of a 2 and a half years. and so as you can find, i wasn't sure i was so able to speak in any language. hales a, something out of this world to suddenly become be in the middle of an airport. this never would have happened without the passionate sustained

both public and private effort, public and private commitment by governments, by organizations and by individuals who have dedicated their time, their reference, and they hudson cells to making sure that at least some some a very small part of us for a small part of those 100 small than a 1000 people who are sitting and pollutants, prisons for the crime of opposing war and opposing dictatorship. have to be let out . i don't only feel, i don't only believe i know that i'll be back in my home country and it'll be much quicker than you think. so human duncan is

a former acting special envoy for hostage affairs in the us. they also a former us diplomat to welcome to dw, how are you using a deal like this 20 for prisoners to children and something like 7 countries? how's a deal like that put together as well. uh, it's probably more complicated than that. so what we do know is what you just described, obviously is taking a lot of so to speak, triangulation, not just between the us and russia, but involving other countries. um for me is there's a well part of that triangulation and our country should give a special face germain for what they've provided in this instance. so to say that germany in norway and sylvania others interests were somewhat compromised and it also needs to be rectified trust the future. so there's really no and so, so to speak, to the deal that took place because equities exist at that former table. and while

they're playing that game and the excitement gets great, you find people standing behind the mickey side this on each other. so we can't even begin to sort of digging around all of these different aspects. but just to save at the end result, i believe has benefited fruits and more than anybody else already. why decided that this is giving him a great deal of propaganda? was the opportunity if you remember, the us page $6000000000.00 to receive 5 americans from iran last year, 5 americans held as hostages there, 1200000000 ahead. so obviously this deal under that market condition, that type of price points under this deal, it must have been worth at least $60000000000.00 or more dollars to put in in any kind of benefits. and one of those is the prospect that he can help keep donald trump out of office because we've already heard him say he does not want to have to

deal with him in the future. so perhaps the part of the benefits is to enable the to tend to remain with a democratic administration in washington, which he seems to feel as is easier to uh, to deal with for, from his perspective. and your billing advice, pale should not have been done. i can't so i can guess anything is complicated, is this from a far i haven't been in this role for a few years and i are very happy for the humanitarian aspect. of course, we want to see people repatriated and watch them with their families. but we can't be too happy with this. we must be indignant about why this happened in the 1st place and a disturbing pattern over the last 10 to 15 years that russia and china have increased the taking broccoli and wrong whole detention of foreigners to gain political advantage over foreign policy interests abroad. that's the real game here

when somebody's taking overseas, and then that is linked to extorting foreign policy interests from our country. that is truly called the rock, pull the tension or a hostage situation. and when that comes into play, we all, we all pay a great price, so we need to remain existence if this happens in our, in our civilization, that something is in human and brutal, such as taking your personal life is occurs and that is being used more frequently as a diplomatic device by countries which otherwise are had to provide relations with us. one of the, the big push and wins that index is providing classic coffee assassin who was jailed in germany. the german government did not want to release him. i mean, yet it did. what do you think made the germans change their mind as well? as i said, of the opening, we have to give germany a of a big settings and our for their cooperative cooperation for their partnership

throughout this and over and overtime. when i served as our special presidential envoy for hostage affairs, i went to germany and we actually met with colleagues over there in the same offices, so to speak. we were exchanging our lessons learned and trying to learn from each other and collaborate so that that goes back for them 5 years. so germany of all of the countries that i visited on that basis was most sophisticated. and it was saying what we were trying to do to establish a fix your accuracy in washington that will deal with positive very understanding basis. so not nearly scramble in the middle of the night from we have the, the news that another house has been changing. so um, i know the german ministry has been thoughtful and delivered to roberts consideration this, i'm sure having worked with them in the past and in to some extent therefore, policy interest had to be addressed and, and the must be at least an acceptable level for them. to have this outcome,

as i say, there are other players that we may not know receives side best. other aspects that could reverberate back to compensate somehow germans, germany is a generosity and there are supports in did you main retrieval of these people and also a lot of the other decisions who are not released. okay, good talking here. thank you so much for joining us. that he dug a former us special envoy for hostage issues. thank. i. thank you. the cause of the powers olympics and the agenda rabbit spoke to protests on the streets of the french capital today. and the furious reaction from the italian prime minister at the heart of the control vesee is out. jerry and bucks and mama kelly scene here in red. it was full. he's like 2nd victory on 1st day against the natalia. the opponent was led to widespread criticism with claims that she should have been banned from powers of to fighting agenda eligibility test . the world championships. there's plenty of outcry. the international olympic

committee has defended that decision to allow the i'll do you mean to compete? we'll hear from them in a moment 1st then here's italian prime minister, georgia maloney. you open and i think that athletes who have, let's say male janisa characteristics should not be allowed to compete in women's competitions. no, because we want to discrimination against anyone, but to protect the rights of female athletes to be able to compete on a full time. the algerian books was born female was registered female live to life is a female boxed as female has a female possible. this is not a transgender case, so just i know you'll note saying that, but that has been some confusion that somehow it's a non fucking a woman. this is just now, let's pick this up with a minus the guy who is a professor of law. i'm going to start is at the university of high for in israel. she's published on the topic of gender and support. welcome to the w professor. so i suppose the 1st question that lots of people are going to ask is, how can we be there's

a box of who's been disqualified by one of them. supporting body for failing agenda test is then allowed to fight the olympics or right. so the i n c have published a statement explaining how that happened in that statement. they explained that these 2 athletes that 2 boxes have been participating in the female category for years using the eligibility test that was used for us, which is to look at that sex on the passport. so pass code is the criteria that they used to determine both sex and age. now they would, uh, into 2023. the i b a which is the international boxing association disqualified kelly's. and the i o. c declared that all that, that decision was made on, on, on the stablished, on scientific evidence on sufficient scientific basis that it was arbitrary. and

then uh, those, these 2 boxes will not giving a due process and the full, the i o. c had decided to resort to the old eligibility rules that were in place to go by passport and how they were able to compete. so we'll go through your mind when you look at his control of the se as well. i think that the aisles you have reading need a re supportive decision. i think that these boxes they have uh, you know, since according to the publications they have a certain sex variation which allegedly makes them have a like from the so now the many women in the lympics and you know, different sports that have different sex variations. and they were born,

women raised women, the whole life and with this women. and i think that it's really helpful to remember that women kind come in different sizes, shapes, colors, and sometimes even crumbs those. and yeah, so i'm, i'm really actually, i was surprised as to the good side by the i o. c. so that state in states. so as far as you're concerned, nothing to see if this is a woman. as you say, a women coming in in lots of shapes and sizes. so she just happens to have a natural ability to punch honda. well, i mean, i don't know that as a real huge gap inc. competitive to the t. i mean these are the boxes that are sometimes losing and sometimes winning and, and they have been beaten by a few minutes. the very interesting i i actually said punjab,

it because of that they, it's having contests and said she had never been hate so hong and my life. so actually my heart really goes out. but uh, i actually saw like, uh, 30 minutes ago some news outlets that have uh brought what she said. but the contest that they telling can contested. and she had actually said that she's not angry at her. she had been serious because her dreams to be olympics have been, you know, went up in smoke and this is why she was angry, but she was actually a very comfortable, you know, to, to compete against her. and i think that it's really a politically contested issue, which can be taken up by uh, you know, advocates of extreme positions. okay. i wonder, i wouldn't come to that actually, because do you think we'll see more of these cases because it has become

a hot button issue. open tend to dispute have something about history in this folder. i'm thinking, you know, the last time was, was cost to so many of, for instance, but, but the cost of what seemed like an isolated incident, whereas i don't know, is it happening? always seeing it more frequently now. so i don't think we're seeing it more frequently. as we said, the women with sex variations have always existed and people with the sex variation has always existed and support these issues came up every few years and different kinds of support you mentioned cast as a mania, but also duty, johns and in the sixties and seventies and eighties that will more athletes that were kind of excluded taking out after some sort of feature kind of triggered an investigation agenda or verification test. and so we have these test

verification 6 verification tests since the 1960 um and what triggers them? you know, that's a big question mark. when we say the women is the protective category, then we should also kind of pay attention to the fact that it protects a certain kind of semen entity and certain kinds of women. and not all women in the open amenities, so these can be triggered either by, i mean, historically, by political associations, a race and all that. and definitely for women who really, really, you know, succeed. so, and so what we're seeing in the last, i think decade sense the cast to so mania and tramps athletes issue is that, um, does a lot of misinformation and use of examples to make a point. not necessarily related to that case. okay,

that's an interesting i'm the topic which i'm show will come back to what i thank you for guiding us through it. so cleaning, press up my hands to die from high for, you know, see thank thank of the hundreds of people, including officials and religious leaders of attended the funeral of slain. how most politically, the smile, honey, and make the tawny capital. but i had lived that in exile for many years. it was killed this week in tax. rodney bought the right and, you know, thought you said was an east framing miss armstrong. the question now is, who will succeed him? a master's leave ships expecting to meet soon to decide. whoever replaces a smile, honey, a as a mazda is new, political leader has to decide on how the militant group will continue. it's fund with israel, and also represent him us on the world stage. the man accused of orchestrating the tober 7th terror attacks on israel. yes, yes,

and warm is considered more radical than honey. a bets and more is believed to be hiding in the groups tunnel network beneath the guns a strip. and he's expected to remain the chief of hum us in gaza. experts believe i'm more likely contender to replace honey to be. this man colored michelle, a veteran homeless official. he was previously the leader of hamas, his political office directing the group from exile in 1996. he survived and his really assassination attempt in jordan. michelle is considered more moderate and he has good ties. we've caught our and turkey. but his relations with syria, iran and hezbollah, soured over his support for the 2011 air of spring protest. another possible choice to replace honey a is holly ohio, a senior hamas leader who also lives in exile. he was the target of, in his early assassination attempt in 2007. l hi is viewed as

a powerful figure within her moss who was close to honey a. after honey is death al hi about to make israel pay a heavy price. well, how much has a record is moving quickly to replace assassinated leaders? the selection process this time will be more challenging. many members of the groups main consultative body. the short council are in gaza. so a full leadership meeting is unlikely. let's pick up some of those points with bob, a slave industry. he's an expert on iran, as well as being a distinguished fellow at the spence incense in washington, d. c. welcome to the w. a. how do you expect around adage, proxies to the event? if mal honey is coming. well 1st of all, thank you for having me. i think it's pretty clear there will be a strong response. uh when exactly and how exactly not clear actually before coming on air. i was just looking at some rather ominous posts on the social

media side acts from some people close to the iranian government with pictures of missiles going off on i would think there might be some sort of coordinated response. rocket attacks. drone attacks, not just from the ron, but also from, has been living on from the hudy's indian and who have already fired on, on top of each. and it's a very dangerous moment if, if these missiles are not intercepted, if they cost civilian casualties, of course it could lead to even more escalation on the as rally side. so it's, it's one of the tents this moment. so i think we've seen in the last 10 months and you expect a direct response from iraq amongst that rather than just leaving it to its proxies are you. busy very much so we saw that in april when the israelis killed 70 roney, and military officers and a diplomatic compound in damascus. this strike whether it was

a bomb that had been planted, or something that came from from the air or there are conflicting reports. hit is male: hi nia. in a very well guarded supposedly compound into ron, a place that's used for the i piece for ridiculous terry's visiting iran. so it was, it was quite flagrant and a real violation of iranian sovereignty. we've also seen the supreme leader of iran . i told her home in a threaten revenge for this quite explicitly. so we don't know if it's coming to night, tomorrow or a week from now, but i think it's definitely coming. okay, so this, this kelly of heavier, if it was a israel, and you've described as a violation of uranium solvers. the same was that we used in, in that april attack on arabian suffering at territory.

and what was said then, what was said now is people talking about the writing of response being calibrated . i'm big enough to prove a point, but not so big, but the whole region goes up in flames. that you seem to be talking about a strong coordinated response to this seems to be that sounds like more than we saw in april to you know, it's possible the, the april attacks were telegraphed in advance to many israel and the united states, for example, had advanced warning that they were coming and were able to coordinate a response along with other countries in the region. there may not be as much warning this time. the us is already moving some naval assets, other assets around in the middle east to be in a position to help the as rarely shoot down rockets, initials, if that's indeed what, what is going to happen. but i think, given the fact that it was entered wrong,

and also that it was on the day of the and organization of the new iranian president. that the reason you run has to respond strongly and more strongly than you did in april. okay, you talked about the, the, the us at moving it ships in the, in the region around. we've heard from us present that by them saying that highest kidding doesn't help the guys that sees fine tools. we've had countless visits by the us secretary of state, and i one do think factors have us influence on any of the parties in this conflict . the p is at the moment to be minimal as well. clearly us influence over d. b, not in yellow, is not what we would hope it would be. he has shown complete disregard for the views of the united states. he seems determined to continue this war to expand this war. he does not seem interested in getting a cease fire in gaza. we have to remember that if he stops the war,

there may be moved to bring him down in israel and he faces charges for corruption . so he has personal and political, as well as a logical reasons for prolonging the conflict. just yesterday, apparently joe biden spoke again with an antonio and said the united states was very concerned, not just about the strikes that killed anyhow, but also a strike in the southern suburbs at the root that killed the senior has been the leader is just a few hours prior to that, these are very provocative steps and they, they seemed, they seem aimed at whitening toward not have continued on yet. so it's, it's a very, it's moment united states is not happy about this. okay, got thank you for guiding us through that. so clearly i appreciate that a lot of this is a speculation, but interesting and on the nice bob of slaving from the steps in the center in washington. thank you so much. sure, thank you. and that's the day you could not follow out to him on social media at

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