live and die down. it's simply too risky. the only hope it will not be another 2 years before they can see their family and friends again. what is your news update? thank you so much for joining us. my name is the calls back. saved loud. thank you so much for joining in. welcome to don't hold bad. a lot of people do that. it's all about saying it aloud. you guys would have being nosy, bay, like get everyone talking to me. you're healthy award winning called called don't call back beyond the result, vs to many hunters are wrong. they

kill animals. i shot you down, bang, bang. you hit the ground, bang, bang for time to see it very differently than the problem on that part of the solution. it's a momento, a souvenir, it's conservation signing for itself off a save us of the animal world. wow, [000:00:00;00] the hunting expedition into it and your it's not just 70000 visitors more than 500 exhibitors. and i see how can i help you? carlo hang on. flashed markets, his hunting trips. yeah,

that's who the look on. the boat is available there. teaser offers like in the supermarket, dispute visitors are supposed to get an idea of what these trips costs. so i know the costs view that the hunting vacation that's condo annual questions, private farm in south africa, costs between 5 and 70000. yours. the german guests with that issue until the end we have the permission to tag along we covered arrow costs to remain independent. finding that pray only required

a few minutes of stalking. now if i was hired, nice shot cut. oh my pleasure. thank you phones. beautiful for me. so even yeah, perfect shot. good. i know a good memory, steve. us name must be up on this even as we wash the animal. ok, so the photo looks respect developments of either no blood or sweat as respectful display of the animal dogs failed to be this dispute for most guests, the photo and the trophy vital to a successful hunt law zebra should be 5. yeah. okay. so basically these, all these other ones we mounted 6 on we'll email you with the details of less drive

to the site. yeah, trophy hunting is an industry in south africa. busy with your trophies on this side . we've replaced it, ended this lady. now it's done. we're making natural habitats withdraw sticking up, you know, ultimately gonna use some sand or some of them sand and bring that in and, and the actual gross artificial grass visions, i would say definitely comments and why we, south africans grew up with hunting animals trophy. let's meet the game and so on. so it's just what we know speaking, and of course for someone coming here from said germany or austria would have it can be horrific. a shot if it's individual checks on the

condo and replaced connex trophies and is familiar with the debate. the. the point is the call at least the killing of the game is legal is sorry, i post pictures and so it all the same. it showed the world that i'm not a shame twins and that it's all legal as you go up to the office. but the photos like these attract criticism. many find it respect lists and crow people's own. there's also a few but, and people who get upset of the pictures are divorced from reality, from the vehicle biologists daniella for i am works for pro wildlife an organization she co founded 25 years ago to better protect wild life dylan were again, trophy, killing. let's incompatible with the modern understanding of animals and species

conservation inbox. until. yeah, they're especially critical of hunting safaris. i'm see accompanying price listens . mm hm. you have some of the headlines too, that were relatively cheap. yeah, under 10000 euros females even for 5000 firms. thompson madison has had just, i'm just gonna be in the draw so crazy. cheap to atlanta. yeah, similar, fairly cheap. and here for 1900 euros. also on sale. a small crocodile for 4000 euros, a plane separate for 750 yours and off the price for i have a part of us that i send the i just find you tomorrow to put a price tag going on. i'm going to say that's how much this animals life is, wes. yet sophia, is living status to that div. those 2 things, national trade and elephant tasks. and lion pellets is illegal. they're not allowed to leave the country, but there is an exception for trophy hunting,

which undermine species, protects and regulation. i think it's best to move in on time in yet. importing hunting trophies is sometimes legal. but pro wildlife once a complete ben, a starch land ist in the hope that he owed them. and he is the use largest consumer of hunting trophies. and 2nd only to americans worldwide is germany bound import is called trophy hunters would lose the incentive to kill these animals. because ultimately it's all about status and hanging your trophies on the will wanted to seen. so hold on the line, so not in the the maybe

a is one of the most popular destinations for german hunting taurus and namibian. steven jacobs has been offering hunting safaris in 2010 for elephants. the best bull elephant was shops the previous day by an american now work us, we'll process the q came around this ticket. you stopped the and started feeding on that motion in that line gave me the perfect blank shot. one foot down finished. everything is over. you know, if i would one day die, i would like to go in that man as well. it's a switch that you switch off when it's finished. there's no suffering. no, i know nothing. the elephant was very old. okay. oh and okay, going. so let's get going. the elephants advanced age matters, says the hunter,

as did the big task. an elephant tons can cost as much as $100000.00 yours. these pictures are disturbing to many, but show the realities of the industry. a $100.00 the elephant would like to have a side panel of the screen. i think he wants to make a rifle bag yourself, but i full bag out of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the shortfalls that stephen jacob's documents. at least you can order on this conservancy without gross animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't it good to be able to sacrifice one of those poles in order to make all of the others live in this area?

because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area, that one boat can do cash payments for the area. and it actually gives value to the elephant instead one. the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the know numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory. population stabilized at low levels in the 19 ninety's. and says all to use it, elephants are especially abundance in areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and steve and jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k. i think i think a lot thing is to me is make sure that the guy, the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and in most, you main way that these don't take shots too far away. don't food if you're not 100

percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's fenced in a small little fence and it's hundreds, it's going to be really called a pro fee on that. you. the other thing because collecting because that's basically what it is that animal is good neutrons to get to what? so what is, what is truly fee or if you go beyond that, but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. gemini, is most important and help us to a trophy hunting lives in this area. to find one village works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation or see how i see there's been us on the phone. when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue, i was pretty naive and probably with an added to that many have dismissive because everyone knows these pictures you home. everyone knows these videos where you can disability their kids. and they also had a certain effect on me all by me,

you know, to listen to this and the fact of steph on one and the she has a trained forester on tons himself, sometimes with his eagle. he campaigns against an import band on trophies. and is creating alliances around the world, canada, and that's not always the issue about one thing. that's what about sustainability in general. okay. quite interesting stuff. and a switch on you, michael. all right. by what it does on a full audit in new york is on if that's true for him, the debate has hypocritical. it was a system on us. what's different from hunting in germany? so yes, good. the deer gets eaten in the end too. is just like the antelope and then maybe in the media, i guess the, the total fear is the trophy is i don't want to degrade it, but it's actually a waste product was,

is just not feeling well to the sounds simple. but what does that really mean? we now have a few days of hunting ahead of us. it's the 1st time in, i don't know how long 3 or 4 years that i finally have something like a holiday. we're all ready. bowman, 80 steph, on phone. delish wanted to shoot a video to base to the guide meet is about an hour to find the right one. the note if he gives you another shot, can i take him again? if he gives you another shot,

the shot that's got me. something went wrong. the village debased was just in jet and fled the as we will see if we can maybe catch up with them with a bit of down. and we will definitely have to get another shopping in. um, because if he takes over hunting again, this can take on 4 days, but we will to oversee see what we can do a nightmare for hunters,

the animals stuff us and it's unclear if the truck goes can as a find it the quick break. 3 hours later. so let's, let's do this for special simple objects. also full of course, you want your 1st shot to be a clean kill. so let people make mistakes women's, and in this case you feel, i'm the one who made the mistake. and i'll go see though i still can't work out what actually happened with this policy. it was all like, maybe we'll get lucky and get close enough. again, i'm one of them on the

and then 5 hours off to the faulty shout. the track of spend the animal again. he loved he's down that yeah, man was for 2 years. no thoughts. yeah. yeah, definitely. must have had to head down. yeah. but this is a perfect shot, but i do. perfect. sure. well dawn, you guys especially. i mean, we are a team is incredible. we are a team the physical so simple title keyless, the head is just

a part of the animal. so you're not sure you could just leave it here in the but they're going to treat it. and i can take it home with me as a souvenir from the hunting, and the value varies a lot, depending on how each hunter sees an inverse. how this position with a sheet. this was that's wonderful for you. the, the teen takes the animals body to an indigenous, solemn vintage the oh hello, how are you? what are you? good, what uh, assume uh, hunters and gather is, but they're not allowed to hunt with bronx tools and the nature preserves in return. they get the meat from the trophy hunters as well as some financial support. the kind of final, this is the small,

but vital difference is that this way a lot more money ends up in the community. then when one of the locals goes out hunting a bonus on top comes on the one for casa worker, these are on with great for the new was killed and we now distribute to the meeting to the side of it. i don't see anything wrong with it and judging by their faces, either today or the owners but there are also doubts as to whether this system really works. south african generalist adam cruz questions, the benefits of trophy hunting. one of his investigation spoke to world wide control to see when i published the se, so the on story. i had no idea that this was a story that was going to go global because this is not a one of story. this has happened many, many times before and many,

many times off the woods. and that story was picked up by the international praise . and then it went totally global. there's renewed uproar tonight over that hunter who killed settle the lion in the home. well, it's talking about the us dentist who killed in line and involved language. is it that difficult for you to get any reaction that you need to kill? i wasn't unhappy with that. really. my issue with the story was to highlight the problems with the trophy hunting industry. not the individual trophy. the hunting industry is problematic side them crews, even if it divides by all the rules, the pro trophy hunting people and governments state that trophy hunting is necessary in order to provide financial benefits for the local communities for the because i'm going to prove that that is not the case

and it may be as nature process are among the forest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look to get this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money a route next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken? well, no, no, no, they know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves, have the money fund the that the conservancy gets. where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even been if you did anything as we as still somebody, what do we get? nothing. even visa, we did not gave a team these things during our travels without them cruise. we only met

a few people who benefited from the income like in this century, the people the benefiting directly of our said plus minus. let me put that out for the $1892.00 going further say each and every one will see how the whole class. 6 does turkey hunting improve your lives? gives you money. you'll be on us. no. i cannot say wait a minute. cruz looked into the industry in 2021 on behalf of hunting opponents. oh you. he investigated $29.00 of $86.00 protected areas and found that hockey, any income from trophy hunting was reaching the locals. the big question is, where does the money go? if it's not going to that community members of the 170 years holding the money cruise match with the cham, another conservancy to confront him with the criticism. that is the way of

saying things. i'm quite sure because of the academic a live little the ones, the benefit did the when you let them to up and fish out cash benefits out brought and how and the benefits will not be understood by the next visit. we didn't get the feeling that much money was getting to the low cost hunting advocates criticized crews for working full hunting opponents cruise. betsy's independent and only uses officials, i guess for his analyses. the thing that strikes me is the constant declining wild life. so this whole notion that conservancy is preserved, wildlife, and because they preserve wildlife they, they full benefit. the communities living the is uh, is incorrect with wild life populations are declining,

trophy hunting must not take place in response to our inquiry. and it may be in government rejected to cruise this criticism in most protected areas that claims the number of animals is increasing and where it's declining, it's due to drought. so human animal complex. same both way. we met with one of the most active proponents of hunting tourism handbook, entrepreneurship really, pups runs and luxury hunting results here. this annoyed by the stereotypes of tre fee hungry tourists. so it has come as a new member, let's look at say white men who come here like this out. $581150000.00 for safari, a tooth which then goes into nature conservation come in and helps the pool. workers have all villages within this redistribution is also somehow wrong and go do you want such

a doc documents document the a very papist rarely hung himself anymore. day he wants to shoot an antelope meet for guests and employees. he owns an area and, and bob boy, slightly smaller than him the 30 years ago, which was a capital farm. now, happy tax from many endangered species. these tennessee finances nature conservation through his wealth and hunting income or the whole draw.

so i need to be on the lookout because this is a walk run a met him on like in other parts of africa. the number of runny nose has been increasing in the south, a valley. the clear arguments for the past in favor of regulated trophy hunting space in case of tim vegas on the field when now on track for having around 400 runny nose here in the next 5 years. and at some point, it'll be possible to make a rhino a final thoughts or some european or american to shoot. and if that means the one animal pays for all of the conservation in the car, and i think it's great shots pull to talk unfinished yourself for comment on

the private drawing and protection. forcible so works to sort, searching here the forces, recruiting you ranges. there's lots of good men in these communities. there's thousands we surrounded by thousands of people. so why, why go far, far off to funding? why not fund goodman from here and support your community? that's the key. let me say is moved to mary, maintains the rhino database. we haven't because he has an f one to all them. so we create a for to all the, the 6 at the foot of the, for the identification that we'd have made. so that we can, we can see if you do have to create a new house. so what you want to do with this data is we went to analyze, right,

you population is progressing. the past and other hunting organizations find on it's about to cool to of the protection for special. okay. we've got a lot of independent dinah funding. i'm from diners outside on that are on choose each property that's way their own china is are bringing in the funding through hunting inside of graphics and that kind of thing. um, through they they, they business model. but it's still not enough. the number of elephants in the south a valley has also increased thanks to bryce clements on his team to come back to poaching. in general, the number of elephants in southern africa has increased slightly and because humans have pushed them on to small preserves populations aren't even sometimes overcrowded. they rage nearby villages and destroy crops, sometimes even happy toughs. the mighty bellow about trees are important

ecosystems. phones has gone up trees just included in front of the road. we have to have under the trees salsa from the climate crisis. but also because elephants eat the moist bob quinn voters, guess this is some progress design phones tragic to see a tree that centuries old being destroyed simply because we have too many animals to feel it. that's the challenge. that's just not the we shoot 3 elephant design. go there for you. let me complete nonsense of all the files is probably going to enjoy conservationist. daniella fry a is just as passionate as v paps. but her goal is to achieve an e. u wide ban on the import of hunting trophies in brussels. to give you some data tools. here was parliamentarians and also with the e. u commission are important and guessing these plans implemented. and that the e u as

a whole ultimately bands the impulse of trophies hello daniella from la under green parliamentarian. before that of course we're really pleased to see the majority has widened in the parliament and for the people it's clear. so if you show that the majority of european citizens are against trophy hunting till fee and you act up clean and take it, it's also about a certain prestige related to hunting. which in my opinion is totally outdated. the you would definitely be ready to take the next step to make some in the parliaments cool to bomb the impulse of trophies is a success for daniella freya and us sent back for stephan. ventilation. like most countries in southern africa and maybe a,

a poses and import fund failing it could lead to fuel guests and less revenue which is live on delish has allies in the ministry of environment and tourism. so 1st of all so far, so good as well. yeah. romeo ma'am, where you and is the ministry spokes person? steph, on one dimension, updates him on the current developments in europe. i'm going to send you 2 links this afternoon where you can use, you can read for the public segment of the european volume and have also sentence saying um the be the care for an effective band of a trophy hunting and why life traits so and now that's okay, thing as is what it was not possible to implement only for jeremy in germany and of

a advocating for it and brussels on a european level. all right, that evening. stuff on formulation meant with mac cpr newest to organizations supports and maybe in consistencies which are partially financed by hunting have a situation in finland, italy, and now it's back in germany. we don't understand why that's why jim in decision make us will make decisions on our behalf. we have really puzzled by that to be honest. so here it's a simple question of equality and respect. if there's a problem, let's fix it to give a, let's fix it together. you cannot just bend things, then you don't give us out of tentative. if conservation cannot put bread on people stable, then we might also as well forget about conservation an

unusual encounter in south africa. hunting critic, adam cruz was about to meet hunting, organize the carlo n. okay. so i'm interested in seeing how he is contributing to conservation. uh, with pro fee hunting yeah, we'll call a single break and so far it's the 1st time that to have spoken it's been not an argument saying that you're taking off the trophy, you taking out the base jeans of that's b c. so a lot of cases it will be the case happening. you have, you've got a client in the place, top dollars and you do, you allow them to shoot the biggest and strongest animal that you have a. but i want to have a few to with, with the go, the full and if you go to any farm and let's go back to the exit coats that he

bought and sold his baseball really pushed breeds really knows on his from the, the, to african rhinos. bases have been all most eradicated in the last century. may need you to that prize torres from the population of around 1000000 only 20 to 20. $5000.00 germane and poaching continues to threaten their existence fried as link angle, greystone money from rhino hunting, and they protect that animals. this landscape kid was a foaming and skype creat. haven't got these mobile life. these other guy also living kid this farm. it has also conservation venue to a certain extent. my greatest fear is that we gained up in this distorted p and will the way you have animals that have venue,

like rhino as native friends and lines in these kind of conditions and all the wilds, habitat disappears. true. conservation value is where you have an area that is pure biodiversity, where a rhino doesn't just exist in itself as a rhino, but it's part of a much broader ecosystem that functions absolutely purposefully. believes that animals can only be safe, just they have a market value. if all the countries then the input of trophies, he has a plan b because he's also as far as the funding developed. and if the world abolishes the market value of wild animal funds and you can no longer make money from them, then they have to go funds to be important. then we plant trees a monoculture. and then you'll only have eucalyptus trees. instead of 30 different wild species on one patch of land at a football,

it's one of the most contentious questions. how much does the trophy hunting contribute to habitat conservation? the sun is setting on tri fi, hunting. it's an industry in decline. it's an industry that one day is going to disappear. so by creating those bands, it's going to stop in forcing us to think of other alternatives that are more progressive and will probably have a great to benefit on the impact of by diversity on this continent. what's happening here is the opposite. it's even controversial among hunters breeding lions to be hunted later. i show you some of the licensing. yeah. you would like read his work to create particularly attractive lions? a lot of money? no question. well, so office can cancel that my little bit. i'd be good with probably the one that i

have an opportunity to, but it definitely the social 80 potential would be nice. it really a good big black me. the result is customized animals painted exclusively to the desires both the hunters. the condos does on people, the customer sees what's on offer is a full price for a full name. what's the process? a medium line or a weaker line for less? it all depends on the price of it was even locked in price. a ministry style of videos are used to promote the can tons, at least 1000 tech does, are reserved for the deadly safaris. if that's consideration as pharmacy in south africa doing that and to live. we predict that city lines alliance all day and the well because people can't allow the coming on to yeah. for

way cheaper than going down to a line into well south african breeding centers now account for almost a so just african lions, the notes here, the companies to send the stuff to the slaughter. of course, i understand that people are troubled by the concept to him. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered lube this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted while the cattle are slaughtered. does it invitation often? but does this argument really make sense? for us to get amaze breeds more than just lions for hunting. he stores meat from the other animals and sells it, but not flying late. to meet the alliance, we've just got them for the way. you cannot do anything well, but it goes if you start facing the lion,

meet back to the lions to get the dice for alliance and then actually when they start fighting each other and that. and then i stop by stop eating each other. the hunting of captive bred lions is not the rule about controversial exception. stale about 10000 such animals exist in south africa. panama november 2022. the states, if the washington convention on international trade in endangered species meant to negotiate the future of endangered species. they'll be groups whirl so that because the agenda are included, the international train, huge of hunting trophies of them crew spoke of related on the hunting event on his research. and that may be he also met his adversaries, the hunters, the wow. yeah.

the couple of weeks ago i was in the media, i spoke to a group of 1000 with women and children conservancy. they say provides nothing. and yet we keep hearing the story about these consistencies being successful, that they were making millions of dollars from activities like trophy hunting. this is the great conservation lie ends in hunting advocates, many pub. thank you very much. my name is way past. i'm a member of the c i. c. i am a conservationist out of some bob fit and a lot of our indigenous people are the venue. welcome to questions, but no speeches. i have to give you a little narrative. otherwise,

i called to ask the question festival, often more than a minute of speaking, without your question billy patch, this interrupted, happens. if we do that, okay, if you don't want to, that's fine. i feel crazy. that's not what i would call democracy. could be that as it may okay to ship is what i call. that's not the kind of ok. no it's, it's actually very funny. why is it room full of let me be in? see it and somebody else. and speaking our case, what stops me from guiding to namibia is and speak to your people. because from what i have from them, you are not listening to them. a gosh of interest. practically irreconcilable and more open dialogue might help to tackle the complex issues surrounding the topic. no,

so everyone feels hood being headed at so many problems. and we continue noticing those problems. we, i'm a bunch abused we've, what is the and that's what we have done the not as never had an interest to bring. i forgot to be any level the i just concerned about what they are concerned about. in the end, the trophy trade was nice and notably restricted nor relaxed at the conference. escape is d, i notice it's all about the mind. there is no one solution. that's a problem on what we're looking for is just the recognition of the sustainable use of wild animals as an alternative model. even all i am will that the debate is as an impass bryce clemons from the same bond for a rhino conservation force is one of the few people working with both sides.

he's been fighting for endangered species since his childhood. the shooting something to hang on, the walls automatically was that a lot of people that would want to see it stopped immediately. they need to help us find sources of funding wise. and we need good people to come together with an open mind and find solutions to, to all of this. otherwise, you know, it hangs in the balance by good, you got the trophy hunting is controversial. but not every thing is as clear. caught as it seems that this drums what is clear is that to protecting habitats costs the loss of money. they can move and that's money has to come from somewhere in

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