the the name is and the polls back said loud. thank you so much for joining in. welcome to don't hold bad. a lot of people do that. it's all about saying it aloud. next, would it be nosy bay? like good everyone to king, to check out the award winning called com. so hold back beyond the result, vs to many hunters are wrong. they

kill animals. i shot you down, bang, bang. you hit the ground, bang, bang baton to see it very differently. then the problem is that part of the solution? it's a limit. so a souvenir is conservation signing for itself off a save us of the animal world. wow. the hunting expedition into it and you weren't non just 70000 visitors more than 500 exhibitors . that is how can i help you carlo. hang on. flashed markets, his hunting trips. yeah, that's who the look on. the boat is available there. teaser offers like in the

supermarket dispute visitors are supposed to get an idea of what these trips costs . so i know the costs view that the hunting vacation, that's condo, and no question private farm in south africa, costs between 5 and 70000. yours. the german guests with that issue until the end we have the permission to tag along we covered arrow costs to remain independent. finding that pray only required a few minutes of stalking. know

5 months, hire no shot. got oh my pleasure. thank you phones. beautiful for me. so even yeah, perfect shot, good. i know a good memory as the last name must be up on this even as we watched the animal. so the photo looks respect developments of either no blood or sweat as a respectful display of the animal. dogs failed to be the dispute for most guests, the photo and the trophy vital to a successful hunt law zebra. she'll be 5. yeah. okay. so basically, these all these other ones we mounted because i will email you with the details of lift drive to site. yeah,

trophy hunting is an industry in south africa. busy with your trophies on this side . we have repaired, it ended this lady. now it's done. we're making natural habitats withdraw sticking out. you know, ultimately gonna use some sand or something that i'm send, bring that in and natural growth, artificial grass visions, i would say definitely comments of my we south africans grew up with hunting animals trophy. let's meet the game and so on. so it's just what we know speaking, and of course for someone coming here from say, germany or austria, it can be horrific a shot and you can check. so the condo angle replaced connex trophies and is familiar with the debate.

the, the point is the call at least the killing of the game is legal is, sorry, i post pictures and show it all the same. it showed the world that i'm not a shame twins and that it's all legal as you go up to the office. but photos like these attract criticism. many find it respect lists and crow people's only these old for a few but, and people who get upset of the pictures, credit card, divorced from reality on the vehicle. biologist daniella for i am works for pro wildlife an organization. she co founded 25 years ago to better protect wild life. gillian, where again, trophy killing. let's isn't incompatible with the modern understanding of animals and species conservation inbox. yeah,

they're especially critical of hunting safaris. i'm see accompanying price lists. mm hm. you have some of the headlines too, that were relatively cheap. yeah. under 10000 euros females even for 5000 firms. thompson madison has had just i'm visual because it's are also crazy. cheap to atlanta. yeah, similar, fairly cheap here for 1900 euros. also on sale, a smooth crocodile for 4000 yours, a plane and separate for 750 yours and off the price for i have a part of us that position the i just find you tomorrow to put a price tag on. i'm going to say that's how much this animal's life is worth. yeah, so here is to this living status table so that the dose tentative. it was a national trade and elephant tasks, and lion pelts, as a legal, they're not allowed to leave the country. but there is an exception for trophy hunting, which undermine species protection regulation official,

50000000 or timing, yet. importing hunting trophies is sometimes legal, but pro wildlife wants a complete ban. the thoughts lunch is in the hope that he would drum and he is the use largest consumer of hunting trophies and 2nd, early to americans worldwide is germany fund import discord. trophy hunters would lose the incentive to kill these animals because ultimately it's all about stated and hanging your trophies on the wall wanted to see. so hold on. so not in the the maybe a is one of the most popular destinations for gym and hunting, taurus, and namibian. steven jacobs has been offering hunting safaris since 2010 for

elephants. the best bull elephant was shops the previous day by an american now workers will process the co. i came around this ticket, you stopped the and started feeding on that motion. then that line gave me the perfect brain. shocked one for down. finished everything over. you know, if i would one day die, i would like to go in that man as well. it's a switch that you switch off when it's finished. there's no suffering. no, i know nothing. the elephant was very old. okay. oh and okay, going. so let's get going. the elephants advanced age matters, says the hunter, as did the big task on elephant tons can cost as much as $100000.00 yours. these

pictures on disturbing to many which show the realities of the industry. a 100 that 100 the elephant would like to have a side panel of the scheme. i think he wants to make a rifle bag of soft rifle back out of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the shortfalls that stephen jacob's documents. at least you can order on this conservancy without prophy animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't it good to be able to sacrifice one of those bowls in order to make all of the others live in this area? because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area . that one boat can do. cash payments for the area,

and it actually gives value to the elephants that one of the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the low numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory population stabilized at low levels in the 19 ninety's and says, all to use it. elephants are especially abundant in areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and stephen jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k . i think i think a long thing is to me is make sure that the good, the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you main way that these don't take shots too far away. don't food if you are not 100 percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's

fenced in a small little fence and it's 100, it's going to be really called a pro fee on that you there other than because collecting because that's basically what it is that animal. that's good, no chance to get to what. so what is, what is truly fi or if you go beyond that, but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. germany's most important and help us to a trophy hunting lives in this area. stuff on one dish works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation or see i see it's been us on the phone. when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue, i was pretty know you and probably was an added to that many have a little dismissive because everyone knows these pictures your home. everyone knows these videos for the disability, their content. they also had a certain effect on me by me, you know, to listen to this and steph,

and wondered if she has a trained forester on tons himself. sometimes with his ego. he campaigns against an import band on trophies and is creating alliances around the world. not and not, not always the issue about something that's what about sustainability in general. okay. quite interesting stuff. and a switch on you, michael. all right. by what it does on a full audit in new york is on, if that's true for him. the debate is hypocritical. in the system unless what's different from hunting in germany? so yes, good. the deer gets eaten in the end too is just like the antelope and then maybe in the media. i guess the, the total fear is the trophy is i don't want to degrade it, but it's actually a waste product was, is just not fun. well, the, the

sounds simple. but what does that really mean? we now have a few days of hunting ahead of us. it's the 1st time in i don't know how long 3 or 4 years is that i finally have something like a holiday. with all ready, bowman, 80 stefan ventilation. wanted to shoot a video to base to the guide meet is about an hour to find the right one. the note if he gives you another shot, can i take him again? if he gives you another shot, the

shot it's got me something went wrong. the village debased was just in jet and fled the so we will see if we can maybe catch up with him with a bit of down. um, we will definitely have to get another shopping in um because if he takes over hunting again, this can take on 4 days, but we will throw busy see what we can do. a nightmare for hunters. the animals stuff us and it's unclear if the truck goes can as

a find it the a quick break 3 hours later to it. so that's what it was. this was the new object. also for, of course, you want your 1st shot to be a clean kill. so, but people make mistakes, women's, and in this case you feel, i'm the one who made the mistake. and i'll go see though i still can't work out what actually happened with this policy. it does a lot. maybe we'll get lucky and get close enough. again. i'm the one on the move on the and then 5 hours off to the full the shots,

the track of spend the animal again. he loved he's down that. yeah man. was this for us project was no thoughts. yeah. yeah, definitely. must have had to head down. yeah. but there is a perfect shot, but i do. perfect job. well done. you guys especially. i mean, we are a team as incredible. we are a team, the physical physical titles. keyless the head is just a part of the animal for your last sure. you could just leave it here in the but

they're going to treat it. and i can take it home with me as a souvenir from the hunting, and the value varies a lot, depending on how each hunter sees it. unfortunately, for the shoot, this process fulfilled. the, the teen takes the animals body to an indigenous, solemn vintage. the oh, how are you? what do you get? what uh, assume uh, hunters and gather is, but they're not allowed to hunt with bronx tools and the nature preserves in return they get the meat from the trophy hunters as well as some financial support. they kind of find the, the small, but vital difference is that this way,

a lot more money ends up in the community. then when one of the locals goes out hunting a bonus on time comes on the no one for casa worker. these are on, with grateful that the canoe was killed and we now distribution the meeting to the side of it. if i don't see anything wrong with it, and judging by their faces with either today or the owners. but there are also doubts as to whether this system really works. south african generalist adam cruz questions, the benefits of trophy hunting. one of his investigations spoke to world wide control to see when i published the se, so the on story. i had no idea that this was a story that was going to go global because this was not a one of story. this has happened many, many times before and many, many times off the woods. and that story was picked up by the international priest

and then it went totally global. there's renewed uproar tonight over that hunter who killed several the lions in the home. well, it's talking about the us dentist who killed in line and was involved way. where is it that difficult for you to get any reaction that you need to kill? i wasn't unhappy with that. really. my issue with the story was to highlight the problems with the trophy hadn't seen industry, not the individual trophy, the hunting industry is problematic. adam cruise, even if it divides by all the rules, the pro trophy hunting people and governments state that trophy hunting is necessary in order to provide financial benefits for the local communities with the conservative. i'm going to prove that that is not the case. and it may be, as nature preserves, are among the forest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is

supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look to this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money a route next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken? well, no, no, no, they know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves. have the money for the that the conservancy gets where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even benefit anything as we are still subletting. what do we get? nothing. even visa, we did not gave it to me during our travels without them cruise. we only met a few people who benefit from the income like in this century, right?

because of the benefit thing directly i would say plus minus. let me put that off for the $1892.00 confirms that say each and every one will for the whole class. 6 and it does turkey hunting, improve your lives, gives you money very, to be honest. no, i can not say wait a minute. cruise looked into the industry in 2021 on behalf of hunting opponents o. u. p. investigated $29.00 of $86.00 protected areas and found that hardly any income from trophy hunting was reaching the locals. the big question is, where does the money go? if it's not going to that community members of the 170 years holding the money cruise match with the cham, another conservancy to confront him with the criticism. this be a way of saying things. i'm quite sure because of that,

i got to meet lose the ones, the benefit did they? when you let them few up and fish out of cash benefits i brought in how i understand benefits will not be understood by the next visit. we didn't get the feeling that much money was getting to the low cost hunting advocates, criticized crews for working full hunting opponents cruise assess, he's independent and only uses officials that goes for his analyses. the thing that strikes me is the constant declining wild life. so this whole notion that conservancy is preserved wildlife, and because they preserve wildlife they, they full benefit. the communities living the is is incorrect with wildlife populations on declining trophy hunting,

must not take in response to our inquiry. and it may be in government rejected to cruise this criticism in most protected areas that claims the number of animals is increasing and where it's declining. it's due to drought, so human animal complex. same both way. we met with one of the most active proponents of hunting tourism. pembert entrepreneurship lead paps runs and luxury hunting results here and is annoyed by the stereotypes of trophy hungry tourists. and so it has come as a new member, let's look at say, white minutes. who come here like this out? 528100. $150000.00 for safari, a tool which then goes into night to come. somebody come in and helps the pool. uh, workers have uh, villages within this redistribution is also somehow wrong thing. do you want such a doc documents argument

really perhaps to rally hands himself anymore. today he wants to shoot an antelope meet, suggests on the employees he owns an area in some bob way, slightly smaller than him the 30 years ago, which was a capital farm. now, happy tax from many endangered species. the status, the finances nature conservation through his wealth and hunting income of the old draw. so i need to be on the lookout because this is a walk run

a mountain on like in other parts of africa. the number of runny nose has been increasing in the south bay valley. the fed clear arguments for the past in favor of regulated trophy hunting space in case of 2 pages on the field when now on track. so having around 400 runny nose here in the next 5 years. because at some point in time it would be possible to make a rhino available to some european or american to shoot to. and if that means the one animal pays for all of the conservation in the car, and i think it's great shots pull to talk unfinished as a full comment or the

private drawing and protection. forcible. so whats to sort searching here the forces, recruiting new ranges. there's lots of good men in these communities. there's thousands. we surrounded by thousands of people. so why, why go far, far off to funding, why not fund goodman from here and support your community? that's the key. the magazine has moved to, mary maintains the rhino database. we haven't because of, as he has an f one to of them. so we create a for to all the, the sex at the foot of the, for the identification that we have made. so that we can, we can see you to have to create a new house. so what you want to do with this data is we went to analyze, make you a population, is progressing the past and other hunting organizations finance about

a quote of the protection for special. okay. we've got a lot of independent dinah funding from, from diners outside on their, on twos, each property. that's way their own china is, are bringing in the funding through hunting inside of graphics and that kind of thing. um, through they, they, they business model. but it's still not enough. the number of elephants in the south, a valley has also increased thanks to price clemons and his team who come back to poaching in general. the number of elephants in southern africa has increased slightly. and because humans have pushed them on to small preserves populations aren't even sometimes overcrowded. they rage nearby villages and destroyed crops, sometimes even happy tufts. the mighty bellow about trees are important ecosystems. phones has gone up trees just imploded in front of the road. we

have to have under the trees stuff from the climate crisis, but also because elephants eat the moist bob quinn, voters gas, this is some progress to sign pounds tragic to see a tree century result being destroyed. simply because we have too many animals to feel it. that's the challenge. so if not, can we shoot 3 elephants for the sun go there for you? i'm going complete nonsense. all the files is probably going to enjoy conservationist. daniela fry a is just as passionate as really perhaps, but her goal is to achieve an e. u wife ban on the import of hunting trophies in brussels. to give you some data tools, here was parliamentarians and also with the you commission are important and guessing these plans implemented and that the e u as a whole ultimately found the impulse of trophies

hello, daniela fry under green parliamentarian. if for those of course, we're really pleased to see the majority has widened in the new parliament and for the people it's clear. so if you show that the majority of european citizens are against trophy hunting till seeing you act up clean and take it, it's also about a certain prestige related to hunting. which in my opinion is totally outdated. the you would definitely be ready to take the next step to make some scripts and then the parliaments cool to bomb the impulse of trophies is a success for daniella freya and us sent back for stephan. ventilation. like most countries in southern africa and maybe a, a poses an import fund failing, it could lead to fuel guests and less revenue which is why have,

on the lease has allies in the ministry of environment and tourism. so 1st of all, so far, so good as well. yeah. romeo ma'am. where you and is the ministry spokes person? steph, i'm one dimension updates him on the current developments in europe. i'm gonna send you 2 links this afternoon. you can do, you can reach the public statement of the european volume and i've also sentence saying um the, the care for an effective span of a trophy hunting and why life traits so and now that's okay. thing as is what it was not possible to implement only for joe mean dominate, and all of a advocating for it and brussels on of you repeat live. all right,

that evening. stuff on formulation meant with mac cpr newest to organizations supports and maybe in constituencies which are partially financed by hunting to have that situation in finland, italy, and now it's back in germany. we don't understand why. that's why jim, in decision make us make decisions on our behalf. we are really puzzled by that. to be honest. so here it's a simple question of equality and respect. if there's a problem, let's fix it to give a, let's fix it together. you cannot just bend things and you don't give us out of tentative if conservation cannot put it on people stable, then we might also as well forget about conservation an unusual encounter in south africa. hunting critic,

adam cruz was about to meet hunting organize the carlo angle crashed. so i'm interested in seeing how he is contributing to conservation uh with pro fee hunting . yeah, we'll call a single break and safari it's the 1st time the to have spoken is the not an argument saying that you're taking off the trophy, you taken out the base jeans of that's b c. so a lot of cases it will be the case happening. you've got a client in the paste top dollars and you do, you allow them to shoot the biggest and strongest animal that you have. but so i want to have a few to with, with a guy before. and if you go to any farm and let's go back to the exit coats that he bought and sold, he's baseball really pushed breeds really knows on his from the,

the, to african rhinos. bases have been all most eradicated in the last century. may need you to that prize torres, for the population of around 1000000, only 20 to 20. $5000.00 germane and poaching continues to threaten their existence. where you just link angle, greystone money from rhino hunting. and they protect that animals this landscape kid wasn't foaming then skype created heaven cut these mobile life. these other guy, molten living kid, this farm. it has also a conservation venue to a certain extent. my greatest fear is that we gained up in this distorted pin will . the way you have animals that have venue, like rhino is made of friends and lines in these kind of conditions and

all the wilds, habitat disappears. true conservation value is where you have an area that is pure biodiversity, where rhino doesn't just exist in itself as a rhino, but as part of a much broader ecosystem that functions absolutely purposefully believes that animals can only be safe, just they have a market value. it's all the countries span, the info of trophies, he has a plan b because he's also as far as the, the vending developed in the world abolishes the market value of wild animal funds and you can no longer make money from them. then they have to go on to be important, then we plan treat amount of culture and then you'll only have eucalyptus trees instead of 30 different wild species on one patch of land at a football. it's one of the most contentious questions. how much does the trophy

hunting contribute to habitats comes to the nation. the sun is setting on tri fi, hunting. it's an industry in decline. it's an industry that one day is going to disappear. so by creating those bands, it's going to stop and forcing us to think of other alternatives that are more progressive and will probably have a great benefit on the impact of by diversity on this continent. what's happening here is the opposite. it's even controversial among hunter's breeding lions to be hunted later. i show you some of the licensing. yeah. any you would like read as well to create particularly attractive lion? there's a lot of money in your question. well, so office 1010, so that my little bit i'd be good, but for reading one day i have an opportunity to maybe show showed

a potential it would be nice, the good. the big black me, the result is customized animals, painted exclusively to the desires both the hunters. the condos is the payments on google, the customer sees what's on offer is a full price for a full name. what's the process? a medium line or a weaker line for less. it all depends on the price of it was even locked in price here. ministry style videos are used to promote the content. at least 1000 taxes are reserved for the deadly safaris. that's conservation. as farmers in south africa doing of and for life, we predict that city lines alliance all day in the world because people kind of out of common not yeah for way cheaper than going down to

a line into well south african breeding centers now account for almost a so just african lions not to the companies to spend stuff to the slope. of course i understand that people are troubled by that concept. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered to move this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted while the cattle are slaughtered, visiting 50 so often. but does this argument really make sense? presto, good amazed breeds, more than just lions for hunting. he stores meat from the other animals and selves it. but not flying late to meet the alliance, we just got them for the way. you cannot do anything well, but it goes if you start facing the lion, meet back to the lions, i get the dice for alliance. and then actually when they start fighting each other

and that and then i stop by stop eating each other the hunting of captive bred lions is not the rule that's a controversial exception. stale about 10000 such animals exist in south africa. panama november 2022. the states if the washington convention on international trade in endangered species meant to negotiate the future of endangered species. and they'll be groups whirl so the, because the agenda included the international train, huge of hunting trophies item crew spoke at a related and t hunting event on his research and the maybe he also met his after this rece, the hunters, the wow. yeah. the

couple of weeks ago was in the media. i spoke to a group of 1000, most women and children conservancy. they say provides nothing. and yet we keep hearing the story about these consistencies being successful, that they were making millions of dollars from activities like trophy hunting. this is the great conservation lie ends in hunting advocates, many pub. thank you very much. my name is willie boxed, i'm a member of the c i. c. i am a conservationist, out of simple outfit and a lot of our indigenous people, the venue welcomed questions, but no speeches. i have to give you a little narrative, otherwise i called us the christian festival. often more than the minute of

speaking without to question billy packs, this interrupted, happens. you can do that, okay, if you don't want to, that's fine. i feel crazy. that's not what i would call democracy, could be that as it may okay. to ship is what i call. that's not the kind of feel. okay? no it's, it's actually very funny. why is it room full of let me be in? see it and somebody else? and speaking our case, what stops me from guidance in a movie a is and speak to your people. because from what i have from them, you are not listening to the a dash of interest. practically irreconcilable and more open dialogue might help to tackle the complex issues surrounding the topic. knows every one feels hood

being headed at so many problems. and we continue noticing those problems we, i'm a bunch abuse we've what is they? and that's what we have done. the noah has never had an interest to bring africa to any level. the just concerned about what they have been sent about in the end, the trophy trade was nice and notably restricted, nor relaxed. that the conference escape is d. i know it is. it's all about the mind . there is no one solution that's i've told him on, on what we're looking for is just the recognition of the sustainable use of wild animals as an alternative model to you and even all i am will that the debate is often impass bryce clements from this in bond for a reino conservation force is one of the few people working with both sides. he's been fighting for endangered species since his childhood. the shooting

something to hang on. the walls automatically was that a lot of people that would want to see it stopped immediately. they need to help us find sources of funding wise. i mean, we need good people to come together with an open mind and find solutions to, to all of this. otherwise, you know, it hangs in the balance. very good to go. the trophy hunting is controversial, but not every thing is as clear cut as it seems. ops this drums what is clear is that to protecting habitats costs the loss of money. and that's money has to come from somewhere in the,

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