becomes a protective of wales and tassels. the results of the ocean conservation start september full dw. hello and welcome to the 7 to 7 percent. so this week we are in 10 years. capital nairobi west since june, mississippi. and indeed, the rest of the country has been turned into a political stage visa protests like young people and some even lost their lines small coming up on this very special edition. so i'm either a few months now if you've seen any images from tenant lately, you may notice that today is a very quiet z jane. a ruby. there are no chance in crowds must just lead no to augusta, but seems to be june. young tenants have been gathering on these 3 in town halls and also online. now initially the most agency protest as one to the controversial finance field that would increase taxes in the country to be dropped. but now those

protests like others in africa are about much more than a single issue. here's what's coming up. we'll find out what's the kind of nationwide we look at previously, a protest from a part of the confidence. and we'll try to find out all this but before we go any further, let's take a look at what's happened until now. this will be in the day it would be traffic congestion on the road. but right now the road is full of young people. what being towed, testing a control volume, quite nice, be at least using what i would consider to be excessive force. at the moment we've just had to pull back. we have seen somebody gets injured just beyond the road to the it started out as peaceful protests. young kenyans, draped in flags,

calling to kenya's parliament to reject a finance build up. many felt imposed exorbitantly high texas on an already squeezed canyon population. would i be paying taxes and then you do that you, i think they're not doing much would be to the this includes in the protesters with soon, much with t goes water, cannons, arrests, and even live bullets. the 2nd day of protests ended in the depths of 29 year old mex messiah allegedly stroke in the evening of the protest and 21 year old evans q . how to, who died off to he was huge by to you guys kind of stuff. yes. that was our need to start on june 25th. the purchase went nationwide and never be the focus was in homage and up to m. p. 's version for the adoption of a finance bill. protest to storm and national assembly with police opening file.

and this is all of the was from problem inside was actually brought down by the protest as well as a lot all of these a truck on the south side that has been bunch belonged to the police since the beginning of the protest or the 50 people lost their lives and many more we ended. but that is not the time people. they organized blood donations, raise money to put hospice, who bills and organize the concepts and remembers of the victim. for the longest time, leader should be nothing has been the hands of the old. i'm the lead to, i'm the rich dogs. but i have a question though, which i mean it's the majority of the continent. we are the ones who don't have jobs, but the ones name to be today and see trying to get it to go abroad. so the last thing, you know, what you want to put to our country is that of dining the high seas. a bunch of domino jobs and you're in the week since the protests have become most i liked the number of witnesses in the previous weeks today. very few protest as have come out

in part due to the high number of security details. you can see behind me they keep loving to, i guess it's all over the air with a heavy security presence rest and also even abductions. my planned clicked offices . the protest is may not be in the streets, but the conversations continue on ex spaces offline and 3 quotes and petitions. this is a political oh, it can mean everyone is the, you know, an excellent what is this is around taking pictures and you know, we're asking them vivid questions. and so many people are seeing this as has died. but it's actually the beginning and the government's response can use president has sent the finance bill back to parliament and dismissed his entire cabinets. he has attempted to dialogue with the per testers, but they say he's actions to ensure a true will. now is the bill here is to be walking on the street because this was the size of some of the west. me says during the never be protest. now the countries parliament is just around the corner. and on june 25th young people,

what able to reach the battery is the and gain. and so you know, of cost, a lot of people were injured and minimal also lost their lives. now being vice of young people to discuss this issue and to tell us why exactly the what else in the streets. and it turns out that the more interested in talking about how security personnel dealt with the protest once the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debates. my name is edith kimani, and this week we are back in 10 years. capital of ne ruby, but we are here to ask a protest. the only way for kenya is to get the voices, hud, and what's next for the young people of this movement, who better to answer that question than the actual members of the movements took you right. let's start with you because you stood up to a police officer and you said, you're not taking me anywhere. i'm standing up for my rights. why? why you so angry that day? that's was the 2nd be of the protest. and on the 1st the i had been arrested,

i was going to menus that time i just said, because i was, i'm bushed by pain clips of he says, and they to mean to of you totally harassed me. the beats me and they took me to a central police, and we were detained among the protest as until 8 pm. so it's a, i didn't understand why the people in the minds and had to be met with such brutality. so i was like, if this moment, if i help is to me i get, i have to be able to speak up for myself and to be honest, i was cad, but to my anger and frustration. so plus the big my fia, at that point, right. so shakira is uncle superseding of fear. mohammad, you are a journalist to communicate to but very much also involved in these protests. so i did ask the question, what sparked the approaches because i mean canyons have been known to purchase for a while, but not like this. not at this scale can now come to the bank of simple use on so many times, but revolution, that's a very strong what it is, a very strong, broad. i think we can go back all the way to the ninety's when you had the monkey

party out when will fight and from what you thought you democracy in this country. 2002, when all of us was who to talk and saying your to is a kind of belong way. there's one uniform, fucked swapped. and that is $0.42 or just come in and hijacked the movements and make it about themselves. so what's the difference, this thing don't i think the people that they got tired of that? so then what is the message now? because at the beginning, it was very clear right to reject the finance bill, and i want to speak some people who participated in the protest. i did that involve binding buildings looting businesses, because this is also what the young people are being accused of like the 1st day when drugs got shot. i was in the photos and cbd up full of as excited to go home because it's the end of the day night time was coming. the streets which are, you know, going to be safe to left. but then the meetings are coming to downtown. you're being told all the people who are here to lagoons, people businesses or i in fact before kept,

most of the professors are trying to go home. all of us wanted to go and we were tired. let me bring in a child. so we know who you might recognize as a form us books best suited for the police based on your own assessment, an observation, how would you rate the behavior of putting use towards the protest of in those early days that they sometimes have be conflict, but police find themselves in because as you had, the young man took most of these issues as a political provenance between the public and politicians. police officers coming in force laws and regulations of the land. well, what kind of constitution is that'd be tomorrow. if i print and i think with the 7 of the constitution provides that you can demonstrate to you can assemble, you can pick it to kind of present petitions, to authorities, pc, please. and who did the police respond and serve? do they consider us 1st or the politicians? the police can see does the nation every one of you?

because for example, she's a business woman. if you break into i shop and what happens to her, so from where i seats, i don't want to defend anybody. but what i'm saying is, can we follow the law? okay, let me hear from some people here because i'm seeing the house coming up. if they want us to us of the default position of the police of discounting since independence i sort of has always been filings. know some of the people who came out during the support is that kids, well for middle class families, police brutality for them. it's things they see on tv or the date on the people's, if you go to these low income on all these neighborhoods, this informant settlements, the more that is the keep does. this is the data. if you have reached the suns cute without any due process. yeah, so we have somebody here from the law society of kenya. what does the law say about peaceful protests and what the police on the right? because we saw images of people holding just the flag and yet they're being sprayed before. it's a kind of the unfortunate thing that we have weaknesses in this country, is that the keep up with treated by the states and obviously of these because we

saw a quote involving the issue. i know that directing that the police officers would not to use the we put in the, you know, to use force was, you know, see was what the economy. and it was created directed to the inspector general of police to ensure that the probably that combined the following the there was a product as detailed and nice in the video cities. and we could recent as the police wait until the validation of that order. i'm going to give me so we're not just respond to that and then i want us to move away from the issue of police. yeah . when you by the police, from using the tools are required for the i treat, you mean live, i munition, it will live. i mean, nation. yes, i don't want to lie. i want to be very honest. you even live, i mean nation is totally of, of is a tool of trade for the police. we have had cases of terrorism here, people coming with the bombs and fed. i'm so what i'm saying is that when it comes to the, i guess the court trying to stop the police from having to using t i guys what are using but on what when using his get, it is misplaced in the sense that it is equivalent to telling the police said the

police station, let us protest. the president has already made some concessions, fired nearly his entire cabinet has now re appointed. some people are to still be made to them. how do you feel about that? do you feel like the president is listening to the demands of the youth? honestly, i don't think it is because um, if you see the shuffle, it's like she just switched positions. you know, it's like this person was here. come stay here. you go. stay here. just just to show people, it's like it's pretty settled with people's mind. like i'm of done something. so what the real issues, let's come back to that. it's evidence that when we say route to my school, we don't specifically refer to roots so much the anti government. that is the backing him up. they've been given a chance time and time again because this up with you to chance of had to about since i was i need to golf. so i think it's just time we it's like

it's a because the directing everything and start afresh for my new foundation. so what are the solutions i'm going to plead with a youth. my children go to school in that will be, i walk in that will be, that means my children and no go to school. i would not go to black and i am a single mother of 3 children kindly as a human being. i wish, i hope that this protest can take a big time. so why don't you support the movement? you don't want lots of business. they don't want the loss of life. okay. understood, let me get some more points. my solution is simple here than people you. i didn't my unit. a stop tribalism with the driver. excuse me. i don't say you add a tray, but at least i say we have been practicing probably bully them. you ident emission should stop. i want to see an election where you are going to elect people based

on, on or not based on the policies that they want to send to you because got in police, that's a fair point. and finally, i'd like to hear from you more. let's close this with you. as a civilians, we're going to take our civic duty very seriously from now on the day on tuesday we had to a different sort of thing. a street space is on wednesday. well, one group was teaching people about the bills that are being tabled in parliament and the other group of teaching people, if a group of him boys were teaching people about the country. but the, the constitution read teaching a point to, they're going to make life very uncomfortable for point additions and then a non violent tree. okay. let me just clarify, right? so we have to rock that because of the time. but i did ask a question, you know what next? and i think the answer has been very clear here that even if it's not on the streets, it's going to be somewhere online or perhaps debates like this, right? so i thank you all for participating. i did read somewhere that these protests will not so much on side government, but the pro good governance,

and i think this debate has clearly illustrated that. thank you for watching. ok. thank you so much to everyone who investigates now the longer version is available on youtube and just all your information that we had initially approved several politicians and p to try to understand how they see their role in one of these political changes. but the ones able to, during our debate so much like caea intend nigeria use was a sense of one of the largest protest movements in africa and saw can you believe that it's already been for years? so let's take a look back. that's what the protest thousands had got it to peacefully demonstrate it gave rise in cases of police brutality. i know that the protests were largely peaceful because i was there with 4 to. with that evening, the protest songs can legals were turned into, cries for help,

and the same place with people called for their rights to be upheld would be the same place that were killed. it all started on the 3rd of october, policemen from the special anti we scored unit better known as stars, allegedly killed a young man in southern delta state and took away his scar as a video of the den. the assault lead online. hundreds of young people took the social media event and share their own, saw the experiences, all of which were bad. saws was initially formed in 1992 to tackle armed robbery in the country. but the units grew into in the tow. yes, of course, popular for a store team and abusing young nigerians my have to wear 8th on my anger against stars had gone so much that is built into the streets. nationwide, illegals protest is mounted will blocks and shut down traffic. thousands, get it other lucky to get a major highway in which area of the city. this would come to be the main demonstration points that demands was simple. they wanted size band that officials

posted you did, and for victims to be compensated. but they were also advocated for the officials themselves. they wanted them to be mentally evaluated, and for the salaries to be increased, so that it would have fewer reasons. to exploit on the 11th, as the process gave momentum, the nigerian police finally scraps, thoughts deficient drawbridge quieter than i do now for this unawares and on the sides is here by desert. but people were buying it. this wasn't the 1st time the police was claiming to reform stars by then the demonstrations had become more of a movement anyways, and people were demanding not just for police reforms, for better governance. on monday the 19th legal scale, no budget is so lou from the traditional panel look is the size of uses for the protest continues, still and safe. for some cases of police crackdowns,

they were largely fiscal all the criminal elements. first product that you feel treat as thousands of protesters got it again and lucky to get on tuesday. october 20th. they notice the things with different people told me that they still told gave stuff we moving. ccc cameras installed in the area and that as evening fell, the street lights wouldn't come on leaving the place completely dark at around 4 pm . good enough, so lu, impose the curfew, trying to is to order, but many poor testers at the, till the we made there. then at around 7, middle, the night june army rode in on several vans and started to think of the own. i'm demonstrators. eye witnesses told me the count of several buddies that night taken away by the army. but it wasn't over. as one of the keyless traveled remarks to through the streets, newton shops, burning beauties and attacking policemen. 12 people died according to amnesty

international, and many more were injured to the 92 and the government to set up judicial panels to look into the police violence, but denies the killings of october 20th you took to the streets as successfully you have the controversial sauce for these units disbanded, what are these? well, people died on that night of what it is now known as the left. you told the mazda com. so what happens during such process and why did the police meet often react to this we, i guess people protested, well, it was supposed to secrete the experts here in kenya. and this is what we had to say. it's the day of the protest. hundreds, perhaps thousands of people stream into the streets. the organizes had notified the police, but the sheer numbers overwhelming. so how to react that in scenario is that any unit that is past due manage within that data or did addiction,

would go into protect those the royalties, i mean, those protest us to get to the end the game in which case, you know, present a petition to a, the power or, or an agent of the target. and you know, way to influence auction to, to just basically spell out their grievances. and once that is done, then go back home peacefully over the top is fully to the police as opposed to protect, especially in countries which guarantee the right to freedom of assembly. in other words, the right to protest. but then we've also just seen where the excess is on the part of the old and well, you know, as the noise, you know, in future it does come in to take a bunch of the she and numbers. and that's about getting the infrastructure that's supposed to be providing security, how to be very vigilant to a single out these actors. and to relevantly apply force to, you know, impede some of these actions on or to arrest them altogether. what we've seen

across the african continent, however, is that police are onto their tea. and in many cases, when the situation becomes more volatile, how they fail to the estimate in king is most the reason protest. police used to guys and what kind of the despised, even just a handful of people. and in addition to that, to be filmed, officers use the fire arms. even if you have to drive the way up on to shoot at, you know, whatever it is that is out there, there's got to be an existent shots, the right to life. that is, it of the life of the will pretty tough themselves, sophisticated agencies and, or there's one from destruction or property on or this are risk to, you know, a threat to life, especially on the part of the people that are being protected in preparation for the c followed cup in south africa in 2010 police as security forces got special training to prepare them to control the crowds of fluids and football fans that would be sent on the country for south africa,

which only emerged from the boot oper type era, if you use fact, it was a learning curve. they could not afford to enjoy this, it didn't fine. so what needs to be changed, but it's raining discipline and more consequences for those who don't stick to the rules. what's clear is that the change needs to come from the top. so we've now looked of 10. nobody's looked at like 0 yet, but another country that's still a very prolonged use uprising. what south africa, the fees must fall. protests took place between 2015 to 2017, almost a decade ago. at that time, students were protesting the high cost of universities. and because we wanted to find out what happens to movement when that initial wave of protest guys don't, we us, some of those for my students. the reality is that society, yes. hi. so as, as we begin vandals running around causing chaos, i think that the student movements get a bad rap a really,

really bad rap because all that people see is the violence. but they don't know what has to happen in order to get to that stage. and so i'm going to visit you just lovely dealing with people want. well, i don't care, you know, was the one listening. and so he now in a post these last for united way, the media, we're academia itself, is loading things in the school as this, you know, there's a visionary movement in a post and the projects that i forgot. but at the time of these, my school moved very isolated and we were treated as patriot and shoulder if you didn't understand the reality of the poses. but it's almost been a decade. the students who have meant fuels by the high cost of university fees, in the sense that the education system was talked in the opposite side colonial past. clone instructions with toppled under the hash tag. what's most full of the students demand that the university fees must full. so the patrick issue on this

not only accessible to reach the students for capades to accomplish this, but it will also mess with polls by police and the university is private security. is it that moment? what does this mean? so because we cause ungovernable diversity, we took over from the management. it's much harder to organize when they all private security with rifles gliding different buildings and as much time to organize when even during new teams piece was the quote and for the time to shut down the campuses, put enough pressure on the university is to agree to some of the other minds to be bigger than juma agreed of and called for free education, but now we needed them to state how is going to be funded. we know that transportation never came. and so there's obviously just the tactics to the

mobilize us and it was very effective. 9 years down the lines, students with places of advocates, best universities still here losing debt supports due to outstanding debt in 2024. over $1900000.00 students applied for financial aid, it just feels like every single generation is going to fight. they best fight and then woke to steps forward 10 steps back and we keep advancing. we do have just an incredibly slow rate. and what did they learn from me? jersey? we was young, we were making things up as we went along. one of the things picked up to us a made is, is young people to refuse? most folks is that to do also to your m, go out to our communities, involved them organize, mobilize and organize,

and or elect members that you trust that are vetted also mobilization, that is directly talking to the institution, you'll protesting. my hope is that we as young africans can revive the spirit of an african, the struggle that we can support each other. as was the case in the sixty's in the seventy's. there's a need for us to go back to our roots and to read and to nod and to speak to, i'll do. and so i'm very excited for what the future holds for young africans who are taking the power back. so reflection disappointments, but perhaps as we just had, oh, well, we've come to the end of our show, but here in kenya, the countries use a still in the midst of things will continue to bring you the latest developers. and you can also follow us on 6 talk the cost for you to, as you can also find this $1.00 is the ground. thank you so much for watching. of

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