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and destroyed a russian boma and attacks on as fails. ukraine's latest explanation for the incursion is that it wants to settle a buffer zone to protects ukrainians from the kind of russian. not hillary attacks launch from coast in the past. and that's the situation hates of the reaction from the west to the biggest attack on russian territory. since the 2nd world war is remarkably relaxed and feel go invalid. and this is the day the ukrainian defense forces continue their offensive in the coast region. 7, historic moment. a good russian slide close to the grind ukrainian armed forces in violation of the geneva conventions, killing and torturing. we haven't filled the boat of comfortably the combination of
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these sections from western sponsors. there is no question as to which country has committed, numerous, well documented, did not advance father into a cross country. another few, columbus has on wednesday, presents the landscape says ukrainian forces have captured more russian soldiers who would exchange for ukrainians, being held by russia. the ongoing fighting is forcing civilians on both sides of the border to flee. for over 2 years. seems like they have been taking place across the ukraine, families to flood the homes, relating on donations of clothes and toiletries from a refugee age center. but this isn't key. it's must go all far to say over $120000.00 russians reflect the boulder region since ukraine launched its surprising cash. and if i just needed to have specific local dominique soon for the last 2 nights,
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it was just horrible nature and we didn't sleep and i cheated a little bit. i was taking to the weaver shaking from the explosions near the from every time i knew what some was, it said that the foot seed from an occupied boulder region is 1st ad on ukrainian television. i. p is to show you creating and soldiers helping locals evacuating from the territory they've occupied. chief of study will allow citizens to evacuate late aid organizations into the area. speaking on wednesday evening, presidents the landscape said ukraine is still making games. as i said, the job today, the have as lawns fell in the augusta region, was via the tv august 3rd. does it go to the last name in the ukrainian town? and so you may, people have flipped the area close to the russian boulder after the fighting, intensified. this is where you wanted to. we had no idea
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anything was happening. richard at 9 in the evening we heard no mighty roar. we looked at us and saw you craney and military vehicles heading to russia during each minute we didn't sleep all nice crowd miss 1000 glide farms. stars are coming in mitchell this way and they've kept coming ever since. right. because every day since we left on august 6th, by the evening of the day that it chose to take the time has gone well, my husband to stage has to walk up to the hill to find a phone connection. that's the only way i can reach them. what type of ukraine's minute tre, all political objectives? people here a, well, we re and say they simply want to go home while you're trying to launch this incursion into russia, from the city of sue mesa to columbus has from the russian border. a correspondent
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economy is that i'm set this update. i assume it might seem like a very fortunately towel of people out on pretty room some of the evening on the bikes going for was going for dinner. but certainly this is now pretty much a front line. so do you have lots of military hardware on the street to see what's caused with that triangle symbol that we've seen on crane military vehicles going into russia? that's pretty much, you know, every night here. they all used to having attacks and the russian side was certainly we heard what sound like sounded like a ballistic missile coming in last nights and lots of helicopters and planes and drones in disguise. that was very much easily be affordable for now. somebody hasn't been hit more than was the norm of the last 2 years. the certainly those villages near the front lines the for that is, are seeing a really intense creation of fighting. we were speaking to our activities today. we were talking about the russians using a lot of like bums. and whereas previously they got used to attend array and drones and kind of managed to build
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a life that allowed them to stay safe. that just isn't the case anymore with those like bombs being used with russia, brand plains, they were previously believe to be of the place on the front lines. and so they've chosen to leave and they went out here. and so me deciding whether to stay or it's, can you just continue that? is there any further away from the board? so it's that kind, responding to an economy ensue me code fall ok is a former us ambassador to night. so the former us special representative to ukraine . welcome to dw, does ukrainian defensive to pretty much everyone by surprise. do you think not including washington? yes, i do. i think that there were certainly people at an operational level who might have seen more things as ukrainians were doing. but i don't think this was understood of the highest levels of this would be kind of offensive that it has turned out to be the primary interior minister said today this, each country wants to create this buffer zone in russia to protect you crying from shelling. what's your assessment of the purpose of this incursion as well,
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i think the most important purpose and, and one that has already been accomplished is to show the russian people that would let them in to jan has been telling them for the past 2 years. isn't life that this is a war? it's not a special military operation. it's not antiseptic, it's not cost free to russia and are, instead of being an accumulator of russian lands comparing themselves to catherine the great or peter, it's a great student is the 1st russian leader since world war 2 to lose russian lance. and so this is a very important turning of the narrative against vladimir putin. what's one thing to, to catch? i must go nothing as it were and make these incursions quite another thing. having woken up to the john, if i could mix my master for those 2 to hold your ground and then hold onto these uh these boarder regence. yeah, i'm not sure that russia is a giant, but they've been struggling to make games and ukraine. it's been those pretty much
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static along the front lines with very marginal gains and very, very how it costs to russian forces for a year and a half. now. they had to concentrate on those 90 percent of their military capacity on ukraine in order to sustain the war effort and then left them completely exposed in a place like course. so it's clear they don't have the capability of both of attacking your grain and defending rush at the same time. it will be interesting to see how rushing finally comes to grips with this incursion. because so far it's been close to a week and they haven't really figured out what to do as what we do things ukraine will be able to hold on to these russian acquisitions. i think they will be able to hold onto a substantial portion of the territory for some time. i know that they are digging trenches. i know they're bringing and reinforcements in armor. so their intention is to hold this for some time. and this is very important. changing the dynamic of
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how people perceive any kind of peaceful solution to the war. later on until now, when people talked about negotiations, there's always the assumption that ukraine is going to have to give up the territory to rush. now it is much more position of being a trade. how, how does the 2 sides mutually exchange something to come to a so are you surprised at the, the lack of a stronger or louder response from the west who have given you cry. and so many of these weapons on the provides that they do not attack russia. yeah, i actually am a little bit surprised to, given the restrictions that have been placed on the use of the a tack comes for hitting deep inside russia. restrictions, frankly, that don't make any sense. i thought it would be more objection on those same grounds, but it's very pleasant to see the people as they look. ukraine is defending itself
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and they've been under attack for 2 years. let's do you know, let them do what they need to do. so what do you think is going on that did? it's a, it's not a change of, of a policy, or is that just sort of looking at the reality of what's going on on the ground to say, oh, okay, fair enough or yeah, i the letter, i think it is very much a matter of having been taken by surprise, seeing that it is gone. okay. it's truly in ukraine's hands, even if we did say something that wouldn't change what they're doing now they, they would have very little operational flexibility to adapt. so i think people are just reading and watching. and one of the, the russian reaction, which is your se, uh, has been a long time in coming. what we haven't seen is they, that the usual nuclear saber rattling from moscow. well, because every time they do that, it's clear that it's an empty threat. there's no follow through on that. they don't
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want to do that now when their own territory actually has been invaded and then not follow through. so i think that it's the situation of the boy who cried wolf having cried one too many times. they can't do it now and is serious. right? i'm just going back to your thoughts about moscow being unable to control it's, it's on board is having locking the forces to control its, its own. boise has been quite shocking to say how a powerfully easy it has been for ukraine to penetrate until to hold. and then using back a year to when there was a rebellion and he's getting precautions. men were the same saying were able to apparently mulch on moscow with impunity. it's something seems all odd that yeah. was with per goshen. it seems that he not only was able to march forward without unity or resistance, but indeed,
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garnering support as he went. and you remember the pictures of him having tea and coffee inside the military headquarters above that. so it was clear that there was something going on where he was being supported. in this case, it seems that the quality russian forces, those have any experience or any training of all the deployed in ukraine and are fighting there and was left for positioning amazon in russia, or conscripts with very little training or capabilities are injured almost immediately difficult for a lot of the person to escape blame for this is you say that the, the largest, if that the, the only invasion of a russian territory sense that the 2nd world war is there's not a lot people to, to around say it wasn't meet, was bad. who does the 5 for this? that's right. yeah. he's done just as to blame the generals. he's done his best to castigate people in public on camera to saying that somebody else did something wrong. but the reality is, this is a direct directly the result of guten,
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launching this morning, ukraine and it going very badly for rushing us out. it says lindsey graham and richard blue until we're in case this week, urging both support for ukraine. is that likely to happen? before the us election i wouldn't say more support. i oh, well i do hope that we eventually lift these restrictions on the use of military assistance. i think that's very important, but there's been enough funding approved already by congress to provide ukraine military equipment that it needs for the rest of this year. it will be next year when we have a new us administration that we will need to renew pleasures of us support. and i hope that both the success of this campaign and those kinds of sentiments coming from a bi partisan delegation and ukraine, carry the day. and we find it not as difficult to approve the next level of momentary resistance next year compared to how difficult it was this year. because
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you think pos of the video, one of the objectives of this action has been to demonstrate to ukraine's back of that. we all still in the game. absolutely. and to show that it is not money just wasted, that is actually able to make a difference in the ukraine is able to use it well, both in terms of not being siphoned all through corruption. and also the ukraine has the military capability and the leadership to produce good tokens there. thanks for that's okay. so that's expanding code folk, a former us ambassador and data on the us special representative to you. right. thank you much jim and prosecute. just to say, can we the rest of a suspect over the sabotage of the north stream gas pipelines? 2 years ago you, craig and money was living in poland, is accused of being one of the divers who planted the explosive devices published prosecutor. so as i've confirmed day for safe that you have an arrest warrant for
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explosions were registered on the north stream pipelines into the baltic sea in september 2022 months after the stats of russia's full scale invasion of ukraine. the pipelines were built to bring russian gas into europe via germany, but wasn't enough for ration at the time. is benjamin smith, as a senior fellow at the university of pennsylvania, is a climb incentive for energy policy. these testify to the us congress on russia's weaponized nation of energy and one to the dangers of russians, a russian sabotage of those pipeline. so welcome back to the w pad. what do you make of this arrest warrant issued for a ukrainian citizen? a low grade to be here fail and then i was just telling the producer before coming on you and i you were the 1st person to ask me that officially did i think this was sabotaged on the day that in order to stream uh, blew up and 2022. you asked me that question and i stand by the fact that yes,
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it is sabotage certainly. and our way further along in the story and i think that, you know, it's interesting to point out that today we seem the 1st arrest warrant for a suspect in this, this sabotage in the fact that it is the premium citizen really doesn't tell us anything new based on what we saw in, in the recording from the press thus far, it's been surmise that i quoted cold pro you premium team divers, sailed out and this sailboat the and drama to and in the allegedly blue of, uh, north spring to uh, by planting explosive devices on the pipes, however, the context in which that recording comes out is really, really key here. and what i mean by that is we have seen the russian federation and in particular, reports that watches military intelligence, the g r. u has been hiring you premium citizens, beller, russian citizens, polish citizens,
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etc. across to you to carry out some of it sabotage operations that we've seen. we've seen specific reports in both point in the czech republic of this sort of dynamic going on rushed intelligent hiring citizens from non russian countries and then having them help carry out these uh, these sort of sad because operations. so i'm really not surprising. so what i want to do is say, you know, the context of thinking about this is really, really key york smith from isn't going to the sites and spoke with you the last half hour i watched the interview, i applied as reporting, but at the same time i want to remind the viewers of the context when uh, you know, we say uh, you know, with your are statements like we heard last half hour that all fingers points to ukraine. now that does not equal the premium status. you had said himself, there's no evidence that ukrainian state or the crane and military was behind this . so that's really, really key in, in remembering you know, the details of the story and the how it is a rush of benefit from sabotaging a pipeline that would bring h gas to hitler with making it lots of money,
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a flood. there's a number of reasons why russia wouldn't have motivation to do this. as i said from the outset and look, i've been doing a year and a half long research project through the claimant's center for energy policy at the university. pennsylvania. a final report will be coming up soon on this front, that looks at the technical feasibility of what's being described, not just the, the criminal investigation with the technical feasibility and what we see from open source intelligence and what we see. and what we have seen reported is that large numbers of russian c bed warfare capable vessels vessels that are specifically designed to do sort of c, bed explosives. in sabotage operations were at the north stream. sites at the blast sites themselves multiple times before the explosions including 2 days before the explosion. one of the cases. so the idea is that, okay, did this sailboat exist? yes, i went to bonham in during the portico. i do not in germany, i solve a sale,
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but it exist. check. it's a rental sailboat. so that explains how investigators may have known where the sail boat went. but whether or not it sells, carried out this operation is a, you know, with no support. that's a major, major question mark and, and really a major question mark in the investigation. and i think that we need to continue to remember that launching a sabotage operation from a cell boat as the platform is really, really difficult on, you know, even though you might have someone who knows how to do diving right. if it's something that, you know, the russians have capabilities on site from their military, that can carry out this sort of operation. so why would they do it? okay, well number one, rush, it was already cutting off gas in again, this is the context already already cutting off gas or north $31.00 over that summer. they need falls technical claims, claiming that sanctions mean it'd be lifted in canada to send siemens turbines to get north 3 mom operational again. the german government put pressure withheld from
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the united states, the pressure candidate to get it sanction lifted, get those events turbines back. but with no gas are flowing and these, these turbines were basically a red herring. uh, you know, they base significant penalties from off takers downstream in europe. and i think that part of this could be a motivation by gas from to have an ability to clear for some of these or on the pipeline. and at the same time, this was right before rush, it started, it's large scale kinetic strikes against ukrainian energy infrastructure. and by that, for 2 of i'm looking at it in this manner, one can see that if russia what was to blow up the words for you to up again in north or one pipelines that of course we're not operational at the time. it was further signal and put pressure on governments like berlin to say, look, the only other gas route i know we're going to get to this in a 2nd. and we with the gas shortage to ukraine. and guess that we can, we can reach out and touch those gas pipelines with kinetic strikes at ease during
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this military conflict is it's legally invading ukraine. okay. so, and secure thing and energy security sounds dismissed was a massive wake up. cool, a full full for your up and i suppose the world as well just just in terms of how vulnerable we can be. absolutely. we've seen a spike in the number of sabotage incidents across europe against critical infrastructure. in fact, we saw one of these just in a few weeks before rush of large scale invasion of ukraine, a russian fishing vessel uh, crossed over the uh, the small bar small said uh, fiber optic cable youre in north pole in the arctic ocean. a number of times and then you saw this uh, this cable get caught, uh you, of course seen reports of the multi connector pipeline and also the cables in, in the gulf of finland, getting caught by allegedly, a chinese owned vessel. but of course, it was being escorted by a russian icebreaker. and then of course, we've seen a number of sabotage incidents including today in germany. not only over the past
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several months against the railing to search and things of this, but just today to military bases were shut down because of a report of basically a water poisoning attack against water treatment facilities on around cologne, germany. and that's incredibly dangerous. and again, something that we need to look at, not only for energy security reasons against infrastructure, but, but for national security reasons, as well as tons of our ukraine's incursion into russia's coast region caves and are claiming control of a sensor, which is a major transit point for russian gas, how big a deal is that? i think it's a big deal, not only the symbolic residents of this incursion into 1st getting general, but from an energy security standpoint. the fact that the look the very location where are the printing and gas transmission system gets a lion's share of its gas, is now under the premium control inside the russian federation. so there's pictures
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of ukrainian troops occupying the gas problem facility on that side of the, the border, which you can see uh to the left here. and look, what we're seeing is, uh, a, another reason that this gas transit past the end, the sort of agreement where uh, russian gas is still getting the reply you praying for by any measure uh, some other channels that needs to end. and i think we premiums are clear right about this, the need to end of that transit contract. a transit contract is used to be up at the end of this year. of course the last one was signed in here in terms of the end of 2019 and we're, we're up the 5 year mark now and we've talked with the audience again about this in the past. but again, we have to remind people and especially german politicians that are girding for a return to business as usual with pollutants regime on energy. there can be no return to business as usual. the conversion is simply too dangerous, and all of the folks that supported these projects in the past, you know,
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they have to remember, this is embarrassing. this was dangerous conduct and it's time to move on. the arrow for gas from europe use over is over from a policy standpoint, security standpoint. it's got to have just all not point it's, it's, it's hard to tell which is more peculiar after 2 years of rush as war against you, craig and the fact that ukraine is still allowing russian gas to flow through its territory or the fact the b, e u is still buying, still buying russian gas. that's a race to the bottom. so i don't want to allege which is more peculiar. they're both really, really sad, frankly, but uh, the premiums to their credit are following through with the agreement that they sign with the russian federation in 2019. certainly nothing that the russian federation has done in return. it has stood up to its agreements and uh its march and illegal invasion of ukraine, but yeah, but he was still buying some russian gas. the premiums are sold,
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transiting that gas. i think the premiums no, that has to end. but of course, you have to be ready to go and say that it's over with the port richey not with the concept of rushing general, but the independent volume port of russian energy has. and, and that includes with ellen g from arctic to ellen's, you, by the way, not just pipelines. ok, thanks for the right. so can see that says that clearly an adequately as ever energy skills. the expert benjamin schmidt from the university of pennsylvania is climb incentive energy policy. thank you. thanks so much. feel free to be here. and that's the day i'm on the w dot com of course on the top of the hour on the d. w. a good, the
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