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the legacy of this wide spread race as depression today. history. we need to talk about here the stories, shadows of german colonialism. as the us justice department is accusing tubing for use of western state broadcast or r t. i'm trying to use online content to influence the november presidential election today. the kremlin did not like any meddling and us elections period. and we've heard this before, but this week there's something new and unheard of coming from the russian president vladimir putin on thursday. he said that he wants come over here is to win the presidential election saying that he finds her laughter, infectious, teasing, trolling whatever puts in had in mind. who would ever believe him? certainly not. donald trump, i'm for golf berlin. this is the day the
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along with them. well, although he did announce the other day that he's much rather see vice president function and we hope that he is more experienced, more predictable. he's an old school or politician. now he's us of a race. but he recommended that all of his allies support harris. so that's what we're going to do. we're going to support to what i think she has such an expressive and infectious last re sending love letters to dictate or i never have. i promise you, ours will never do. it will also it coming up to after almost 3 months of political paralysis and france has a new prime minister. since you have the headphone,
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we will strive to respond as much as we can will defer to the challenges of the younger vote because of a suffering. the feelings of abandonment or something of injustice about doing that permeates fall to many of our cities of neighborhoods. and we'll, we'll area, sky, you know, companies with our viewers watching on tv as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with familiar echoes of us presidential elections passed. this week. the us justice department, the keys to employees of the russian state, broadcaster artsy of trying to influence the outcome of the upcoming november presidential election. washington has charged 2 archie executives with money laundering, claiming the suspects hired a us company to produce online content with the intent of swing the vote on
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thursday, la scale and denied any meddling in any u. s. selections. after the 2016 election, us intelligence determine that russia had run a this information campaign to help them candidate donald trump and to hurt his then opponent, hillary clinton. archie is trying to play down this latest claim by washington today saying 3 things are certain in life, taxes, death, and claims of russian interference in us selections. soon some of us states will begin mailing ballots to voters ahead of the november election or something like missing. and as in previous cycles, authorities, or warning of attempts by russia to influence voters, the white house says there's watching closely. obviously people can have their own views about whether they're surprised or not, that russia might be trying to interfere in our election. but we're not taking it lightly. nobody's struggling here because it's that important to us justice
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department. the bounced on wednesday, it was sanctioning employees of rush of state media company our t, including its editor in chief market. we just seem on washington as accusing our t of paying a us based company to push videos on social media in line with the kremlin stinking defendants directed the company to contract with us based social media influencers to share this content of their platforms. the subject matter and content of many of the videos, published by the company, were often consistent with russia's interest in amplifying us domestic divisions. after the 2016 campaign investigations found russia tried to spread this information with the aim of posting support for donald trump. one the kremlin says the latest charges are part of what it says are which one. it is an obvious operation and information campaign that was long prepared and that is needed at of
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the last stage of the electoral cycle. us officials say russian hopper items are using increasingly sophisticated techniques to target specific voter demographics and battleground states with posters predicting and now they're close election. swing just enough voters could make all the difference. well, i'm doing now by brett schafer. he is the head of the alliance for securing democracies information manipulation team at the german marshall fund of the united states. brit has created an online open source dashboard to track the output of russian chinese and the reigning state and media outlets. he is the man to be talking to about this story. bread, it's good to have you with this tonight, let me ask you about these charges that have come out this week charges by the department of justice, money laundering back to our 2 employees, allegedly hiring us firm to produce online content to influence the
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presidential election. now this does not sound like a very sophisticated criminal operation. i'm wondering how to use it as well. it may not be sophisticated in terms of the tactics and techniques used in the efforts to hide their tracks. but it was relatively sophisticated in terms of the types of influencers that they were able to recruit. these were not fringy internet sort of personalities. these are pod cast or is content creators with huge followings from us. we're talking people with youtube channels, with $5000000.00 plus followers in some cases. so it was quite sophisticated in terms of who they recruited and the type of platform that they were able to effectively build on us soil using us person to effectively longer potentially rushing this information into the us information space the these right wing influencers linked to the company allegedly being funded by russia include people
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such as many johnson tim pool and they've reuben, they claim that they were victims here that they didn't see what was happening. is that believable in your opinion? it actually is believable. and the indictment, i think, makes it relatively clear that at least the, those contract content creators, those contributors didn't actually know what was going on. now the people who were running the platform, they certainly did. if you read the indictment, it was quite clear that they knew there was russian involvement here, but the contributor is, it's not clear that they knew what was going on. that said, it is, there is evidence that they were specifically recruited. and so while they may not have been agents of russia while they may have been unwitting in this, they were targeted for a specific reason. and one of those reasons is that at least some of them have in the past, sort of actively promoted rushing, talking points, in some cases rushing disinformation around ukraine. one of them has denied russian
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atrocities and boots out for example. so there was a reason that these content creators were targeted, but they were victims at the same time. or i want to ask you about hamilton 2.0, which is your online open source dashboard for tracking the output of 4 in state media outlets. what is hamilton revealing at the moment regarding ortiz content designed to put a some on the scale as of the next presidential election? the, what do you see? r t was very, very quick to comment on that story. there was at least 3 or 4 stories that they published yesterday, that ridicule the indictments that ridiculed the sanctions. i mean, they were quite live in their response. and are these responses at this point are, are some what route we can predict, what they're going to do because they have these certain talking points and they talk about us have prophecy. and they have attempted to frame this as the us being effectively a to tell terry and state,
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trying to shut down and open information space. i mean, putting aside of course, the rushes, just important record about press freedoms. they've effectively said that what this is, is not rushing and malign influence and not rushing interference. it is the us effectively trying to read their information space of opposing points of view. i mean, that's ridiculous, of course, but this is russia's line and an archie has puddled it for many years. now. if you were to ask people on the streets, particularly the united states, who does russia want to see when in november? you know, most people would give you the answer in donald trump. that means that that's an assumption. do we assume that simply because of the content that is being pumped on to online platforms by media outlets such as r t as well the us intelligence community has been very, very clear about this. the russians obviously prefer trump. i mean there's, there's really no debate about this intelligence circles and basic logic would tell
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you that, i mean, you look at the policy positions of the 2 candidates. one has been very supportive of ukraine, the other less. so one is very supportive of nato. the other definitely less so, so it doesn't take really an intelligence assessment to understand who the russians would prefer. that being said, americans, other adversaries prefer other candidates. i mean, we know the iranians prefer a couple of harris. so it shouldn't necessarily be used to slander the trump campaign, but it's quite clear who the russians prefer here, whatever comments putting they make that suggest otherwise. okay, and that brings me to what glenmere puts in said this we, he officially, you could say that the weight in on november is us presidential election by endorsing one of the candidates. but add an infectious laugh is apparently what it takes to get his support ticket. listen to what foods instead of should we have a criminal precedence mister biden as our favorites?
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but if i can coordinate that, but now he's being taken out of a race, he recommended that one of his allies support mrs. harris. and that is what we gave him to do is that we're going to support to reopen dish. now this has been called tongue in cheek booting, humor, teasing, trolling. you can describe it any way you want. what is bothering me putting what is he trying to achieve there? well, i mean the comments were dripping with sarcasm, of course, but a lot of my putting is a former k g b agent. he understands how to manipulate americans and he knows that be throw something like this out there. there will be parts of the american media, there will be candidates who will take that line and run with it. and so we've already seen, of course, trump commenting on this today. and so he understands but throwing something like this out there will make this more of
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a politicized debate. when the debate really should be about the fact russian was trying to interfere in an election. there shouldn't be a bi partisan. there should be bi partisan consensus if this is a problem, but he injects this sort of political commentary into this. and now of course, he's made this more of a partisan issue than it was going to be, you know, russian meddling and us elections. it's been on the public's radar ever since 2016 . and the online world that we inhabited in 2016. we know that it has changed dramatically. has the russian business of election meddling. it has it kept up as well. they've had to change their operation mainly because of the fact they're overt propaganda. channels have either been shut down or been degraded. so r t america does not exist anymore. on youtube, r t cannot exist at at least officially on other platforms. r t has been downgraded so in 2016 they could influence americans through over it propaganda channels. they
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can't do that. so all of their work right now needs to be more covert. and they, i think they've also learned that setting up a bunch of fictitious twitter accounts presenting themselves as americans is a hard way to build an audience. yes. some of those accounts that we're taking, but down by twitter, had summit sizeable audiences 20000, maybe 30000. but it was hard to get a real genuine american audience to follow them. so what they clearly did here was go after genuine americans who have sizable, real influential audiences and try to manipulate using those, those individuals and, or they're built in audience so. so what we've seen them is they've adjusted to our efforts to try to limit rushing the line influence. so they've clearly adapted over time. is there bread? is there a platform where you would say that they are, you know, getting maximum reach maximum penetration? i mean, is it tick tock, facebook, youtube? i mean, is there one platform where they really get a lot of bang for their buck,
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or they've really diversified since 2016 to. i mean 2016. this was a twitter and a facebook operation. yes, r t was very prominent on youtube, but now you could list probably 80 different social media platforms where there has been evidence of russians running cobra at operations there. this includes things like gaming platforms, so it would be wrong to focus in on one specific platform because this is a multiple multiple platform operation. also because if they get caught on one platform, they need to have assets in place, other places. so they have targeted americans and basically every platform where americans are online themselves. and so we've really seen a diversification from what we saw in 2016. that includes things like tick, tock, telegrams, but also friends here, platforms that are less mainstream fascinated you talking with you. um the bread and you know, please come back again before the election and after the election. i'm sure there's going to be a lot to talk about. brett schaffer,
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head of the alliance for security democracy's information manipulation team at the german marshall fund of the us spread. thank you. thank you. francis president, emanuel maryland has named me shelburn. yea, as his choice for prime minister some 2 months after backgrounds decision to call snap elections resulted in a parliament without a clear majority. the 73 year old barney a is a conservative politician whose serve in previous french governments and was tasked by the european union with the leading breaks it negotiations with london. the far right national rally party, which holds the most seats in the lower house of parliament, says it is undecided whether or not to back barton yet we should or are you going to bring in now corresponded coal stangler. he joins me from marcy and france to night cold. good to see you again. you know the story of the
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dysfunction, if you will, of french politics goes all the way back to this past june with the european elections that we have the snap elections in july. give us a sense of how difficult the task of forming a new government is going to be for this year. michelle barnett was gonna be very difficult, could take days. it could take weeks. the key kind of a deadline to have in mind or the keys are key issue. they're thinking about as watson. vanya is able to figure out a government that he thinks is going to appeal to the national assembly. he's going to have to, to give his beach before parliament, and at that point the question will be, is whatever tanya is work is done. and in the meantime, in those, and he's coming days and he's coming weeks, is that government going to be able to survive a motion of no confidence? that's kind of the big question here. and his government survive the opposition of
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half of, of the national services. 289 and peace. that's a big question. and we're going to see this being answered, you know, in part, at least over the coming days and weeks by that their kinds of choices he makes for, for ministers. do we know? what is it that barney has or had said, that makes a manual macro and think that this is the right man for this job right now. are quite, i think the are to simplify, to the 2 big reasons. one is vanya, someone who's well regarded by the french business establishment, also by the european political establishment to you. france isn't a particularly difficult uh, economic situation right now. they have a very important budget that they have to get approved of by the end of the year. and so bad news seem to someone who's trusted by the business community, someone who is sort of a trusted him to, to, to continue my calls. he cannot make policies and to make sure that that budget,
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i guess the approval also of, of, of the european union because france will overshot this is deficit last year. so france is actually in the, in the procedure for excessive deficit. according to the ease, there's a lot of pressure to have it, but i think that's one very important reason. the other one is that maxwell has made a calculation, and this is a prime minister that's going to be able to, like i said, with stand that motion no confidence. and more particularly someone who's going to be able to appeal to the far right and national riley what smartphone decided that he was not going to name a prime minister. that was going to win the support of the left. the fact. so that meant he's on finding a prime minister that's going to be able to be at least tacitly supported tolerated by the far right. and i think that's the other big calculation here, vanya and someone who's quite conservative, you know, ran for president, with, with the right wing republican party, talking about a moratorium and immigration. the scene is someone who is at least palatable to the
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national. right. i want you to take and listen to something said by the french left wing leaders. young lou milon john after news of microns announcement concerning bernie, a taken listen, is not the actual, our reaction is not focused on the quantities of this pass. and michelle bon, yeah. that is not the issue. the issue is that the president has just decided to officially denied the results of the elections that he himself cooled. remember cool. okay, cool. does any of a point there? manual macro on called the vote. 3 years early in the wake of his coalition is disastrous results in the european elections mean right wing parties. they don't have a majority. and yet a conservative is now the new prime minister. that doesn't seem very democratic, right? as well. you know, to, to, to be clear. um, you know, you look at the french constitution, my manual, my cost,
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the president does not have an obligation to give him pretty sorry. yeah. that he can name whatever prime minister he wants under the french constitution. he does have that constitutional prerogative. that's his. um. but what i think middle school is getting at is, you know, when you look at those elections that you referred to. um the last, when coalition the new popular from one up to a route even though it's pretty evenly split among 3 blocks and the kronos the less in the far right. but the left hand up to a reality. and so in countries that have more a prominent parliamentary systems, you know, there's sometimes traditions in which you at least ask the party that has the most of those, the colors. and with the most of those to try to form a government, maybe it doesn't work. but at least give them the opportunity and my whole repeatedly refused to let the new popular front that lock them in coalition. i had a prime minister of their choosing. so that's what matters sounds reacting to in part. and here's another bigger frustration that he sort of tapping into, which is this idea of, at the pause you had french voters,
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majority of french voters voting either for centers, parties, or left wing parties against the far right. national riley, in this revival of what's called the republican front in france. and what we have now is a prime minister that in many respects is designed to get at least when the tacit support at least be tolerated by the far right. and for a lot of people, especially on the left, that makes some way of saying, i think we're seeing that in that reaction from the promotional. so where does this leave then the far right national rally party, the will, will it be able to undermine and possibly the pro is born yet as well? you know, i think the 1st thing is, is it right? we're at this step right now means that there are at least willing to to hear out of me said barton yes, that was not the case or other prime minister's names were floated by. my called at the far right, the national route. i said no, no, no way there. he's wanting to hear about money out and that's what they said. uh, jordan, barna barnett the president of the national riley has said he wants to wait and
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hear that. that inaugural speech of the new ones. he has the government to decide whether or not they're going to support a motion of no confidence or not. so right now, they're at least open to the possibility. it's gonna depend on his cabinet. it's gonna depend on that speech here. so what about mr. barney's policies, i mean the world, if the world is familiar with him, they know him as the brakes. it negotiate or so beyond that to meet what changes will he try to make or what policies really pursue as prime minister? do we know? yeah it's, it's really hard to say, i think that number one priority, which i alluded to before, and that i think everyone's expecting him to, to, um, to deliver on is, is, is the passage of a budget that is able to be supported by the french business community and also supported by, by the european political establishment. that's what bonnie's main priority is. i think at the end of the day, beyond that, you know, it becomes a little bit more on certain you give some very brief remarks today. i already
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talked about the importance of schools and immigration national security jobs, but you know, very, very big, unclear. i think it's gonna depend on getting those choices that he makes is for his cabinet ministers. and we'll know more when he gets that big speech before parliament and in the coming weeks corresponded cole staying there before the night from marston, france, coal, as always, we appreciate your time and your reporting. thank you. thank you. it has been a day of mixed emotions for new zealand smell. re community the funeral of their king and the crowning of his daughter. as the new queen the 27 year old will be the 8th. mallory monarch, and only the 2nd queen, huge crowds gathered to watch the new marie queen be anointed no way henry to pay his change by the coffin of
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his to the king too, had tier 2 titles for the day. at the age of 69. the king's youngest daughter at 27 years old represents a big generational shift for the amount of key. and it is hopes that active involvement to now re culture will have a positive influence on younger generations. to come around, we extremely happy that not why. one way to pull is an ukraine. she's the best person for the position and you'll see across everybody's faces. here. we will agree. off to the new queen this morning. the funeral procession for her father begins. mary lorry is ready the coffin down the river before just curry to its final resting place of the final so well to a king who was seen by many is the uniting force across new zealand. also quote
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altura in the memory language. c what he's done to united this many people across all to all who 13, it's all i often um it's probably a really good sign of the legacy that he's left here. um, everything is done um through monopoly turned off the respect 3 different throttle ha. through loved the mary king. movement with whom to strengthen and unify mary culture following versus colonized station in the 19th century. it has no legal mandate and its role is mostly ceremonial. 6 bought the monarchy, carries cultural, and often political significance to marry. and this scene is key to many a central to their identity. with the day continues online, you'll find is one x, also known as twitter, youtube and dw news. you can follow me on social media at brent golf tv. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see
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