the say never giving up every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate. there is that spirit of addiction. there is something about to that to condense to even though the visual mind. i'm not, i'm not deep. we'll not agree that they are because it isn't bad. they don't even know what is happening. we honest to meet these people know, let them look like you. every week we have someone who is over $100000.00, dusty poll bits, as soon as they morrow, induced being, they don't have jobs. i don't think they can use that right. and they don't see it as the more so does your mom know, you bet, for example, knows she doesn't know. hi, mom. if i put my 400000 shillings so beloved in barcelona, i lost the official,

my money was eating. i did a quote, you know, with the study, of course we cannot or be lucky if we're going to be in region. no one would work for you either way. we kind of told the okay, the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debate this week. we are in the balance of full capital of uganda compiler. now just sitting is listed with what people here called betting, or gambling houses, and it's no one to bend. that's government is reaching a rig in tax revenues. but at what cost with more and more young people relying on gambling as they are only meaningful income. and so today we want to find out from the young people here is going to bring a net positive or negative for the society. and i want to begin with my friend chris here because i know we were speaking. and despite the fact that here in compiler, the legal age for betting is 25. probably the highest in the world as your father

came into contact with gambling when he was the 17. do you remember that 1st i i but i be today, ma'am i tried. i need to. when do you want to know how it went? yes, please. boy you back to school. so that's when i was given intrusion. yeah. uh, base school fees at school. and then that time does when bus i don't know was way to place it villa. so i say, if i bought my 400000 shillings, i'm going to get it maybe on you know, so i tried it, i put my money. they gave me was done by 7 pm. my money was eating civil i. they didn't bus alone. i lost that for sure. so what i did, i had to go to, you know, after school i went to school, then i say for one week, then with this that is sending through in the back home, those what nodes you paid. so i was going to, so i had to go back home. the parents knew i was in a good condition at school, but nothing was right by then. so what i had to do, i just went, then i had my fly tv. that's what it took and she'll get at home. so i had to sit

silently. right. so when i saw my tv, i wanted to talk about the other minus so that i can feedback. so this goofy yeah, i know those. did you with thing i did? i couldn't get this through rounded up good. maybe i can double get on. it's all american ford. i good. maybe 700. i went. that was the day that it is a sudden team and it pretty melodies go to swan see that's the so when i bought so as a way and so that i can win more money. i just, i lost the minus. so what i did, i got depressed, so my pet, and so me, i was this stop, i'm call i to go back to school. i do home the asking me, why am i at home? so what i do then is that it understanding this is this good, the made up. what did the material in money on what, when the bedding did a good you know, with the studies? well, yeah. so that's how i can stop on. and i was a little bit to go out, you know, how does it a little bit to go? i don't go back to bedding. and today as we speak, this is a couple of years ago about 9 years ago. i used to best thing i'm placing back. i'm

really a bit of prose on it. i understanding now i know what to do. i can just go to bidding, anybody like that because if i had a man but what's up in with me? and now my understanding right now, if i do better, if i don't, if i don't like you, i just do for fun. yeah, i just want okay. so let me speak to rebecca here for a 2nd because you're not quite a season, but uh as, as chris is telling me a little bit about your relationship with sports betting and how you got introduced suite that was just influenced by a friend waiting for b team because he's i would beta chevy. he's addicted. yeah. so he's not going to ask me because of the impact. yeah. i'd like he's or he's having these games is we mean, so he just told me one time, but i think you need the mind. you can get them and so i asked you how you just told me kind of bait. i actually gave him 3 k. yeah, 3000. that's i to use. that was my best state. he helped me because by then i was very young. so my parents are, i don't allow me to the phone. so he used his phone. so actually he just,

he did told me he placed the bits on different teams. he did told me that teams though, he just wrote the money to me after that. and he told me that to me one sunday. okay. so you said that's the person who introduced to you, you added, he's addicted to gambling. by the way, once you worried that the president introducing you to this was already hooked to it. uh no i it was an inquiry because she's my friend. so i'm like anything that you brings on february's. yeah, i want to go. ok. so let me speak to brian here for a 2nd because we are hearing different reasons why people go into bed thing. right? i have friends around, they do bed thing. so we are some, well we are watching the much on the asset will, has one funds of really they have the money on. they are happy and i'm like, i'm leaving watching without gaining for me. i should be gaining something, so i went for it. so i've been building since then, you know, but uh, you put me on what you can afford to lose. all right, so he says,

put please wait job that you can afford to lose put money, but you are willing to say goodbye to i want to hear from the rest of the people here. how many of you are actively betting will have a place to bet or have participated in some form of online betting? let's see by show of hands. yeah. okay, let me hear from the gentleman here. what's your experience be like, are you coming to betting or you used to. there is that spirit of addiction that i think it's about the youth that they expect to read. that because most of the bits in companies that begin at low wages, that $501.00 folder. now do you have that you got in the that when i put this one, so then i can, i can get like 20000000 within. it may not of, it may not always 2nd so that you disappear to there is something a boat to that to condense to even though the visual mind there is that's predicted

to you. i need to get more. so that's the, the experience which i am into. okay. so you're calling it a series that tells you have to do you think that's a dixon? i think it's that diction. yeah. yeah. all right. uh let me hear from you kathleen because i know that you actually actively involved in the industry. you work for a betting agency and you what was the best thing. so what's your experience? i see people coming and put them on site be they're like, wow, well, you know, to me, you know, very someone will you fix pl. andre? it's $200.00 shooting. then he won 100 and then the but the bad part of it, it's like when you get that money, you'll be like let me put it back. then i double i people that these are, did you end up losing him? so what catherine is describing is very familiar to of a 50 percent of the youth in this country who will actually pulled by geo pulling 2021. and that's the number of people who said that the active, you bet, take. now this number might come as a surprise to many people,

but what do you say that these appropriate because best thing on its own, it's a past same, it's existed for millennia, but why are we talking about it? yeah, and you're going to hook you up. i think this debate does not happening and vacuum . it really happens in a context that there is a little unemployment. there is a little under employment. and then for those i choose to start businesses. how much are the rates? how much are the interest rates? and even when they c, b, r is low and don't, you'll find that the interest rates or the rates i preach, they get the money to start businesses is about a 10 percent. what is the rate of return a list of the region less than 10 percent? it means that even the businesses about us started do not actually live long to see about plus but the so that is the context under which we are speaking. yeah. but understanding that, as i do, you know, i'm to failed business days, people not being employed, but how did we get to a point where gambling is a reliable source of income. and i see that knowing it's very ironic it,

it does become such indeed. and the other, it was just to imply that it, people don't know just bit because of course what does they also pull but those just as the ones. but she has mentioned that you can just put your money somewhere and then gets to have quite a lot of it at the end of the day. so it does really become a big due to the extent, but someone can be able to inject the minimal amount of money and they can get the west exorbitant amount of money that the reason for them to get back. ok. so let me talk to somebody who said they would never actually be better because they're still fearful they might fall into the diction. patricia, talk to me, of tele, whenever, what, let me say we know important. i didn't have any mind. i think i both bitchy, but then i remember the addictions i told between them like, oh, good tactics, it and then you visiting my jew should. that's my greatest view. and then, and you're going to to do those 2 poll bits as soon as they morrow in this being. they don't have jobs. so i think i both that's,

that's make our job. and then i just the bidding. okay. but patricia, are they really seen as the model because when they look around us here, i'm seeing so many advocates for betting. when i listen to the radio, you're just being told best bet, but i'm seeing your personality to the advertising it on. social media isn't really found a phone. they do, i do but size, but enough to say add to use the policy bed thing. that's a numerous thing they see does a bad thing. they because it does it poll bids to be c sucks to the yes cause it meant by invest in your money. you let me say you invest in like when menu and you're going to lose. and then that option new, have you what you'll have to go and to then get the money because most people, but when they have friends debates, they don't walk you up to just big for someone to give you. like when can you go and invest? so people bits, as soon as the mirroring displaying, they are unemployed. okay, let me, let me speak to the bets as, yeah, you've been called in disappoint, unemployed. an ethical to some degree. is this through no expense, by the way,

would you agree that the acceptability is really not that actually i, i don't think they can use our crime and they don't see it as the more as soon as you get their reasons too, because eliza had to use how african up turn to african parents a to use so of yesterday you she does hearing that tom badging that i went to bed. thing 2 of us. do you see that as a crime? yeah, i would say that those are crime because 1st of all, i be like, oh, it's make us more money of i'm done was invested my money and i'm finding something . so if i explain to as to what you want and that's time because she's used to the african, they've style. okay, so does your mom know, you bet, for example, knows she doesn't know. hi, mom. so what, why do you think you kept it from? how is it this sense of shame attached to your sense of moral? uh yeah, that's part of it. then also i'm going to bring up the option of this. you know,

that's more money again. that's more money way to just save that money instead of trying to what play no money but plus a $90.00 a concept that's more money. i want to be so much play that money and so that be. so let me come back to you, patricia, because you spoke about the feel of addiction. do you have friends who advocates, gumby? of course i do have them prep. then we've done building. when you try to do, try it a 2nd time. the 3rd time you'll get to addicted and you are as 12 bits annually till monday you get to our as when to investing. so that's the problem we've been doing addiction. so that's my greatest fear. because my parents are, is giving me that you sent a ticket to that, but some they what they give me that to send and a ticket for bitching. so that's mary with going to be a that's why it was like, let me leave it so it always comes back when i'm poor and i'm like color addiction but to be an individual. okay. so speaking of addiction, we actually have a child therapist with us here today. linda. so perhaps you can explain to us what exactly is happening to our brains when you're betting when you're getting that we

what is happening. i'm so glad we had from a gentleman. i think he was telling us, oh yes, i think you are assuming that's exactly how he feels, the qualities of something that takes him over and that he's going to dixon. i'll break it down as much as a con upgrades of full of if you're a trans, because all i'll call that can because, but i'm going to talk about don't put me in, don't find me. and if feel good home one, it makes you feel good. and we, we, ex 3 has a dope. i mean, maybe if we are shopping, maybe if we are doing something good for everyone. and you won't be surprised, but don't mean that just special nova we on even when you lose it, still the same feeling, it changes your mind the way you think it changes the chromebook visa of your mind . so eventually the audio space and is not feeling do you want to feel over and

over and over again. so the dump them in system is rewarding. the anticipation not the winning or the losing. so play, we not lose so long as you will in that series you're getting the heat. exactly. based on what you're seeing, it sounds to me like this should be a lot of educational going into it before people get into gambling or bedding. is there any such thing provided by say the gaming board which regulates the industry? of course they kind of go against themselves. what i really want young people to know is that these people have studied the human mind and how it works. and pretty much gets them giving you like those wins that he was talking about to hook you up . and after you hooked, they take cold by your mind. it's like it was styled take over. i find it very, very unfortunate because if i'm going to bed on the, on a dixon, i'm doing something with all my questions, my full of questions. so it's like stealing from me. that's all right. let me ask one of because he actively encourages people to 2 bets. you work with an agency. i

think you do a lot of advertisement in the media. do you feel like it's your responsibility to do this then? do you actually do that? yeah, 1st of all, uh, i want to talk about the best site of bidding and what we need to know i'm on, but i don't want to be doing companies around one of the big companies. we honest to meet these people, know, let them look like you. every week we have someone who is over $100000.00 in uganda . that is, that on the 800 out on 800 medians we have seen, you know, a couple of us who don't on anything, but they have on, on the money from bidding. and the biggest percentage of the icon data you uh, the highest amount of they have only a good day to day. it is from bidding. i agree. but this one of how many, of course we cannot or be lucky, you will, you will go to school $100.00 students and only 2 with a bus that is the most criminal unit and i've done that. we cannot always be ok if

we all to be region one we to up for. yeah, that one. okay. uh, but the president was 70 was actually of a contrary all penny on the by saying that the taxes will flowing out of this country and the with not being used to reinvest back in this country. so what does, if it does look like we're talking about the industry that just crossed the a $150000000000.00 smocks is about uh, $36000000.00. oh, about 35000000 euros. so that is some huge money. and uh, the prospects uh, according to the national gaming and regulatory boards look what's they aimed to reach about 300000000000 ceilings in this particular fi. nice or? yeah. so the big guys really look good. you wants to think. and on the contrary, i just wanted to just send me over a bunch of to dopamine and the subjects and you know, many things. and that is how it quite a mix works. it works, we, we did so now if i really love buying sites, i will buy them if i went buying. so i spend, as i will continue buying them, does it means that you have to go with them?

nope, this is one of this like does, but the heavy, the regulated heavily regulated, but we haven't, i mean, come on, let's speak frankly here, heavily regulated. we just had 1917 your rules. we're getting it to betting houses . let me, let me hear from you here. everyone knows that that's not right. cutting 3. you cannot open a bidding compound on an account to night and without the national id id before the so that's why you will activate your account, your id. so to be setting you up to about 50. okay, what about online gaming and gum? that's what i'm talking about. i do, uh, the code probably might have come to an independent company without one late. no not. you must be 25 guys. these people are getting you, they are bidding below 25. yes, they are moving out of people's accounts, which is someone that the government cannot control. right. so there's been some level of regulation and that's what you were talking about. so let's hear from the brian here. because we haven't spoken in a well, do you think that the government needs to put the types of control?

so the young people, as you said earlier, not putting money down that because of what you lose. i think the government should woods those going drawers off was younger people, are they how we combined? and then they are still in schools, so they need to be regulated that. so i think so great extent that should be, it's heavy originated, especially for the young ones, but the them, linda, let me come back to you as adults, because we're also not, uh, it is susceptible to addiction. what are some of the telltale signs, you know, if maybe you used to bets a certain amount of money a week and then you increased it. one of the things that people can look out for. if you're all, if you feel so compelled you like control the restart odds that you feel, then the 2nd step would be can you control that? i, if you cannot control, that's odds and there is that your, that many bad consequences that happening. but do you keep us going? it's time to understand that you need till one more thing allow me to cause i need

to cation is because of that as well. i find it very unfortunate that a young population like you've gone to where over 77 percent of the population is below 24 years old. the big guess the cost for you going to would be creativity, you know, ration, and we us sweeping for a whole generation. we should, we've, uh, use the, don't want to use the brain. they just want to go the easy way. it's really unfortunate . well, so this whole idea of gambling being the easy way out is really through. we have to be being reinforced before we come to the end of the discussion. let me hear some voices at the back. anyone want to tell me something? i see a hand here yes, i want to comment on something which i don't mind as to upset about that. someone can get 5000000, but you get that 5000000 up to what set in time for example, you've got no telling me that you have been investing 2 k 3 k must be mass out.

then at the end of the yeah, is when you get your best, when you start, you can get your 1st when the truck getting 1000000. but when you calculate the how much i've been investing yup. invested like over 10000000 by the every. what did you with this 1000100 become excited up to date as warranties. but this meant that the, the issue when you sit down and under lays, it's where with the guy, the meeting where we'd be. and by the way, that the reports that i spoke about earlier suggested that you've done as a spending on average 12 percent of the income. let's hear from some other people other back you the buildings is like the any other business. what am i thinking? because when you have to start a business, they are rich. so this them 2 bed 2 people. they are risk on the risk. they cover it is that down the cost, if it's positive and then they get, these either depends on how much you will go to that you'll be mid or n s. the. and i did advise you the bit, but your bit,

what you can afford to do is i have one example. i may not dimensions to them, but to the rich boss on these p i, they've gone to uh, risk for them. but for him, is that enough for support? when the board is playing q must the bed. she must go to bed. i've tried it. i think because myself, i've never seen and it will because obviously it's. but do you remember, how is it that you bets why the menu, when they thought about police brain under your gun, imagine that a lot of ceiling? how many much is the weapon that they talked with? because when the buffet over, they might just that it has grades then to see them so that the boss or any of the rich buildings being the barbara. yes. is a successful boss of that is what i can say. okay, because we don't know this person. i can't investigate you about whether or not they have other sources of income. but let me hear from somebody else here. yes, this is something they get by. so no understanding. they didn't use the,

as you say, the way you are you that loose or we so the addiction, but the guns when maybe you hear of a friend who has like a little bit and then he gets out of mind. okay, so chris, let me, uh, let me come to the front line as we conclude because the rain is threatening to pull this part to you. so let me get some concluding remarks from you, chris. best only what you can afford to lose, but at the same time they say that's big win beat, which is it's knowing what you know now this the, just a general default default about this. it's a good and it is, but a yes, it is a good. it is. but okay, let's just a good concluding thoughts from all fargo here. yeah, thank very much. once again, we need to understand that it is the luck and you cannot be left to $100.00 times. uh, it is even indeed there is a disclaimer. bit wisely. so it is no trouble about how much of bed, how much of sticking going to, how many tvs, what about sticking for bedding wise?

it is one game. they don't do games. they don't city games, you cannot do is 100 times. what am i trying to mean? they put it, they did the menu that upright. the menus that up, right? they are they just to go to bed because someone i sold a hot or you. but look here, real research look like, for instance, how many times of us in one of the season, that is one that is a club cutting to the is going to be as feet. they, it was a game entire season. please don't do people betting the tips to and i'm going to bring it out. but i want to deal with it. was that the bidding is not, but it is a new but, but for us would be we'd, we'd bloody people would be in that case where they are made monday. are they gonna show you we have the link to make money back up and we double the bill. i'm glad you got that. okay. okay. okay. uh let me hear from the 2 of you. ok. i know for 5 months as the regulations are that we really have a big problem when it comes to implementation. that is why you're here,

that's why i need your card on that good policies. a more to it then written in uganda site, the narrow b unplug fact, i didn't keep going. we don't ones that regulate this sick to lift this the best example as puts the hosting in order to ensure that you can continue subbing that website and ensuring that you've gotten minimized on the adverse effects of the bad side. all right, catherine is for me i want tell you about the funny thing about we did does for us when you lose your don't like when you are the stick to like you one. so then you don't mind that about that money. you mind about the money we are going to get, like when you lose, you'll be thinking about i was going to win one. and so let me put the book, i guess about mine. that is the funny thing about bidding. okay. so let me conclude with you because i think it's important to just to ground this back to reality. i think what one else said is, is right. the best thing in this country is very much legal. the regulations about it, but these are risk, especially when it comes to addiction. so closing felt,

well, i'm not, i'm not deep. we will not agree that they, i dictate because it is the bad. they don't even know what is happening. but i also believe that some of these problems can be solved from the realm of knowledge science is telling you exactly what is happening. so you don't mind your mind is being taken over lead, surely. we, we have seen cases where people die because of these. so you can stop and still see that is the good device. yes, we are losing us to be a surprise then, then your, your interest site in a different place. all right, at the beginning of this debate i asked, do you think that's dumpling and betting is a net positive or net negative for you going to, i want to see, do you think it's a net positive please raise your hand, or is it good for the country raise your hands. is it bad for the country? raise your hands. well, it is. i don't know i, i don't know how to, how to call that, but the audience back home. i think you've seen the i have it within days. have you

. i'm not sure which is rich, but you take your gamble. thank you all so much for watching the

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