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has less passengers and doubling airport within the capital city of one of the smallest economies in europe. so we're now saying we've got these 350 year across. where are they likely to go? at the moment, the sign is up in germany. say, we don't want any of those aircraft. any wilson, ceo of ryan air, the irish low cost airlines. can you talk through some of the challenges that the airline is facing here in germany as well? it's not just what liners saying it's was is what actually is played a post cove. and so the german market is the worst for coverage and ation market in europe. so it's only as aging 2 percent of where it was prior to cobra. so there's something wrong and, and we've been pointing this out for some time that it's and it's the high taxes that are imposed on air passengers. but the difficulty about putting that on their

passengers is that your passengers may not be there. the airlines decide that for aircraft in, and that's precisely what's happened today in berlin. so this is the sort of a microcosm of the decision making of an airline that has an investment of about 3 point. $1000000000.00 us dollars in aircraft in germany. that if the taxes in germany are, you know, 2 or 3 times what they are elsewhere, well then you're going to allocate those resources elsewhere. and the government have done nothing. and except to put additional taxes on to make german airports. okay. even more competitive. and if you could bring it in, easy jazz, have more than half their operation here. and then you have the, an airport that cost over $6000000000.00 euros to build and it's half empty. and, and the reason is half empty is that it's all competitive. and so that, you know, an airline has to recover, it goes, has to pay over those taxes from the fairs, but it takes him and that's been reflected in the numbers. so you now have berlin,

the capital city of the largest economy in europe. their airport in total has less passengers. then dublin airport within the capital city of one of the smallest economies in europe. like that, that's telling you something that airlines are not putting capacity into berlin and they're putting it in order for treacher. you're looking sweet last week in a, in a similar situation to germany and on recovered marcus because they're equivalent of lufthansa. sash where you know, are no longer in government control. what have only recover the 70 percent. and norwegian are not putting aircraft into sweden because they were bailed out by the norwegians, and those are left to the cap. and what did they do that on the periphery of your? and they have responded by saying they're going to have to tax and, and the government, or at the other day saying no, they actually wouldn't want to actually elimination altogether so that they can

attract some of this floating capacity that airlines like right here can provide. and if you look at the scale of what we've got to provide, we've in order for 350 aircraft to be delivered between next summer and 2034. and we want to a portion of some of the ash to germany. we've given a proposal compliment here last year to double the amount of aircraft and they just have to respond by making, by lowering and then abolishing taxes. and we'll fill that gap. and i think what are airlines would come as well? the environmental issues are often discussed in germany as a reason why people shouldn't fly between cities. how much, how much is the whole environmental issue being a factor in your discussion with, say, the german government. there's no other industry dash and where we're trying to you know, reduce our carbon emissions. and the way to do that is you don't have to pay lip

service to say, we're somehow or other the, you know, their strategy is to protect us of the, that's just putting prices up. and it doesn't, it doesn't manage where that capacity goes for different cities. are for different reasons, and presumably if it was a green agend, you'd want to do what's necessary. and but you know, there's no co here in policy. but like, like reiner m a invest in the newest aircraft and like the latest aircraft we have that compared to been next generation aircraft, a 50 percent, s noise. there's 20 percent. they burned 20 percent as few of the carrier, 20 percent more passengers. as an airline travel is not discretion, we, people tend to think of it as being people wake up in the morning think i just got to go somewhere if they don't and it actually grows economies and, and if we're trying to get our carbon footprint, then that's the way to do it, like, you know, if, if they told environmental taxes and put it into the production of sustainable aviation fuel, well then that would be something, but we're not going to get rid of the huge things. we're going to get rid of an

airline travel for anything over, you know, 800000 kilometers for people have got to be able to get back in one day after doing business or, you know, people just don't come to holidays or the time off. some people do and what like, we compete with train single, difficult to do, and we don't have any domestic services from germany. and in places like spain, we don't have flights from madrid to malik game. it's shared by a high speed train back in ireland. and we just have the fight stream little car for then you know, when the motorway came along, that meant and we couldn't compete with that. so we so difficult to compete with it . but you have to have some to join dope and policies and taxes. if you just make airline travel more expensive, it's just to people with more money. you get to travel. people who don't have so much money, don't get to travel, does not 2 weeks to travel in terms of area across supply dispute. if he does obviously vote yes, it's difficult. so the last couple years. is there any signs?

do you feel that those, those issues or no? yeah. when a such as boeing is full buying and air bus because we look at this summer, boeing work, delivering and on time an air bus because of the problem with the engine issue. a lot of those aircraft for ground is, which meant that those us and there was a constraint in supply across both of those manufacturers. both both of those manufacturers are full way out into every $10.00 to $20.00 turkey trade, $31.00. so there's no new capacity coming into the market. so that limited capacity . that's why today, so parts and for, for germany and for german chef, he's in airport outside of frankford community because of the limited supply is now being close to germany because they're saying they're putting up assigned to say, we're not open for business. we're not competitive for whatever reason and that investment will go elsewhere. but on the boeing issue in particular specifically, you know, they've had their difficulties, but you know,

we would see their difficulties as being, you know, management and manufacturing. and you know they 100 difficulties coming back at a cobit and they lost a lot of their workforce and then the alaska issue, set them back hugely in terms of the constraints put on them by the ssa on what they could produce. so that if you don't, if you don't producing of aircraft less come out to get our end, we didn't get all of our deliveries. so we 20, this aircraft is summer that we would have hope to have. but i think i, they renew management in place. and i think gradually those manufacturing issues are going to be, are, and actually that just needs timing. they've been making air things for, you know, for a long time. and, and this interruption has, and, you know, hasn't helped them. but i think they're on the path out of time, and we would like to think that we're going to get all of our deliveries next summer, which is, you know, approximately 50 aircraft. so we're,

we're keeping the pressure on them. but it's a very close in thing, you know, the aircraft that we are right that arrives on monday. i think we to aircraft that arrived on monday and which yesterday actually to the, to our craft that would have arrived in to our fleet yesterday. and the question is, what day they arrive on because we put them into service pretty much straight away and the passport live in time. otherwise gonna cancel the schedule and, you know, put people in different flights. but now as we come into the winter, you always have less traffic anyway, so you have a better chance. that's when we used to always take our, our aircraft into winter. but like the ones that arrived on monday should have arrived a month or 2 ago. so we think that over the winter period, and that would, they'll be in a much better position to deliver for next year. and then we've got a gap of easy in months before the next 10, an aircraft started for the rest of the saw summer. i mean, would you be optimistic going forward that to be that these, these titles be somebody else?

so it's just the question, what people will pay us to have our model is always if you've got the lowest cost in the industry that's reflected in the lowest fairs, we hit our load factor charges. even if we don't get to the fairies that we would have expected, we've had 2 years of growing fairs and like we get our results presentation there are for our q ones and we don't keep any updates on fairs to have. i tried the summer and like we'll, let's do that the half year bush, like everybody knows what we said was that, you know, consumers were more picky and not just in our industry. so everything from fast food to drink suppliers, to hotel suppliers. anything that's customer facing people have just cost a bit more selective and haven't had as much money because of inflation refreshers . and if you look at watch happened like we would have had air fairs grow over the last 2 years. while we weren't growing volumes,

you know that that doesn't happen. hankle home like that for that cake. well, forever. but certainly, you know, and there is a softening and consumer sentiment there next against airlines. but generally out there mean the level whole people are having difficulties feeling the uh you know, their, their business class with business travelers. they were full last summer when a lot of people with pent up demand decided to go for the holiday of a lifetime about the whole family 1st class. but they're not different at this, you know, and bush and yeah, i mean, but like this industry goes on cycle. so we're enough. we don't overly worry about these things. i think our competitors should be worrying about that because if you've got the lowest cost will fail and we have the lowest fairs and that puts even more pressure on competitors. can you for see a situation where a one point you might have to start moving to poland or to to other areas such as

central europe, central europe is, is, is expanding quite quickly, particularly the aviation marcus. it's everywhere. because when you saw that in the barrier, there are 96 places this morning where reiner aircraft are based right across europe. as i said, to the south in morocco to the north. and we've moved to the, at the east and in pa, fast and then the west of the canary islands like so. we cover, you know, $96.00 different locations and almost $300.00 am at $300.00 airports in total. and we have a 350, or a craft to allocate over the next 5 to 7 years. and we've been putting forward and we want to know where we're going to put those aircraft. so we're not for a reason to be talking here to the national level because it's a national issue. it's a big national aviation taxes national security taxes in sort of places you go directly to an airport and say, do you want to double your traffic? and it makes commercial sense for them to say, well, it right here,

put in an extra $5000000.00 passengers and they spend isn't meant to money that makes commercial sense for us to recover costs. so it's sort of different. it's still not an airport level or region level and you know, and or on the national level in germany it's on a national level because the barriers to investments are on a national level and not just for not just for rainier, but for all airlines, easyjet or a fraction of what they were here, a burden because they can make better return jo square. and so we're now say we've got these $350.00 or craft fair. are they like you to go at the moment? the sign is up in germany to say, we don't want any of those aircraft that they may not think they're saying that, but that's what they're saying. and we're growing in like we've grown spectacularly initially in spain and u. k. morocco and we are gradually working. you know, we are way to see where we're going to fill out that quite space. now it can come

over a number of years. but beyond next summer there's no more growth for right here for a period of about 18 months. but in germany, it's all bad news, you know, it's going to be reductions in, in, in germany. we will be talking to, or we're gonna be talking to all of our other german faces over the next number weeks. and we're trying to finalize negotiations, and some of those smaller airports of them have done exceptionally well, because they don't have big government behind them. and they've had to deal with a very child doing environments. brenda were left defensive themselves like a didn't get a sense from the german government at, during the cold with recovery and now from post all the costs of the airport. and then the other hand, they barely have enough time to for 11000000000. so those airports are fighting for their survival and some of them we know very, very well, and we're working with them. and hopefully, and some of those we may actually grow, right? if they can come up with ways to make themselves more competitive. but unfortunately, that would be some of the reports that will take the approach of berlin,

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