the, the, this is dw news line from berlin. at least 20 people are dead. and hundreds injured and a new series of blast and 11 non walkie talkies exploded on wednesday in the route and beyond. this after 12 people dying tuesday, when thousands of pages exploded, apparently targeting members of the militant group has the lot. also coming up on the program target president richard private here to one says he wants to be a peacemaker and goes up. but he's also one of israel's pearsons critics, are correspondent and looked at turkey's role in the conflict the

an air until berlin. thank you very much for joining us. loving is health officials say at least 20 people have been killed in more than 450 injured in a 2nd wave of explosions involving communication devices. several explosions occurred and being rude during the funeral for 3 members of the armed group has the law and a child who died the day before from exploding pagers inside and a cellphone shop called fire after an explosion. their latest wave comes just a day after hundreds of pages use. my husband likes floated across lebanon and syria, killing at least 12 and enjoying thousands. i mean, ben kelly boy is an expert on iran, and is proxies at the foundation for defense of democracies. i asked him what the

events of the last 2 days tell us about has below security apparatus. the does show that how penetrated their supply chains are, how much knowledge and tell in terms of affordability and service about the pieces that they may want to get to the places that they may be going. and then of course, the last bit is internally how puncture their security services are, and not just loving sizeable about the products, the patron of this proxy, which of these womic republic, the wrong bus. we forget in late july that it's melanie. it was killed in or in a bomb. it was placed in the closet of his guest bedroom and an iron g. c controlled safe house. so both liberties has beloved and the sonic republic of rod or liking bushing very strongly right now at internal security changes. because their weaknesses when it comes to domestic security has been exposed by these that covered attacks. now what exactly do these attacks mean for as well as ability to communicate with our operatives and operate more broadly? are obviously it's gonna introduce significant transaction costs for them to

communicate with their operatives to get messages out, to get orders out, to be able to have a more linear kind of come in and control. all of those things are going to have short to medium term battlefield challenges. the one area where i actually do have concerns is in the long term though. if you remember between the end of the may 2021 more with a mouse in israel, and the start of the october 7 terrorist attacks, there was no indication at least non popularly reported indication that these really sense such planning was ongoing. so there was a longer term fear here that as has blood continues to degrade the quality of its communication equipment, you can essentially go dark and rely on personnel. and if he's released, don't have the intelligence about which personnel are carriers. that it's highly likely that it has was planning may go dark. so that's something to think about here as well, particularly possible that takes another page and i'm off playbook. now the long term goals are actually quite an interesting question. why do you think that is real, chose to actually execute an operation of this scale?

now, is there anything that we can interpret from the timing as well? the now elements of your questions very interesting. it's been somewhat answered by popular reporting, particularly by the new york times, and actually it was about us. some folks are having some suspicions on the 1st day about this communication technology about the beepers and the line that's been cascading in the western press. now is that some, if indeed a, they believe it is israel, that somebody is real, assume it would be a use that or moves at the moment. so either before this technology, which had basically been hacked or booby traps was exposed by internal security or lebanese has the law. it has to be use. so that may explain the timing of it. and also the fact that there hasn't been a major arrow ground defensive by these really interesting because everyone had been assuming within the hours of the 1st attack meetings to be protect that this could have been the precursor to a larger is really offensive to push back as well, or at least past where i un resolution 17 o one,

require them to go. now let's broaden this out for a moment. how much of a below is this all for as well as most important support or run? that's really the $1000000.00 question here in the run itself has not promised the same kind of hard retaliation or revenge that they have promised after the killing of it's melanie and to have run again in late july by what many assume to be again, israel's foreign intelligence services, and you need what can even look at the comments of the foreign minister, missouri rock. she recently, where he condemned the attack and claimed to stand with the lebanese even mentioned that he runs and bass or to be rude. someone who we believe is tied to these nomic revolutionary guard core. i even mentioned that he was injured, but did not promise the same kind of crushing revenge even in the instances that these not gonna go public, did promise that same crushing revenge. they haven't taken it yet, and i think one reason why beyond the conventional insurance issue beyond the reason that these veronica public knows this outcome is that as we get closer to the one year anniversary of october 7, i think the public master for many of these proxies is pushing back,

surveying the chessboard and trying to consolidate games. and unfortunately, i think the trend lines are no matter the military successes and no matter what the operational successes of these really is. i still think that the leaders into around think things are going their way at the $500000.00 foot level to that was been been talent booth and the foundation for defense of democracies talking to me earlier now is realize not commented on the attacks that turn has blown communication devices into explosives, but most security analysts believe that is really intelligence infiltrated the supply chain, or distribution network of the pages that exploded tuesday. here's more on where those pages came from. this isn't a paulo pager. the model that exploded simultaneously across lebanon has the law started using the devices extensively last year for security reasons. unlike mobile phones, they can be traced. experts say most likely the pages contained explosives,

possibly just 2 or 3 grams that were inserted at some point between manufacturer and delivery. but the supply and delivery chain are murky. the pages were marked with the logo of the gold apollo company in taiwan. but the company's chairman says his firm didn't actually make them says this company, the ac has cooperated with us and has represented many about $4.00 for about 3 years. we have to they also wanted to make pages and asked me if they could use our companies brand, name me in the pay is of they paid is the brand name fee and they designed it themselves. and he said he would you mind that takes us to hungary were b, a c, consulting is located in the capital booted past. the address listed for the ac is

a simple building that appears to be the legal headquarters for multiple firms. at this point the picture grows even mark here, it's not clear yet if the a see actually made the devices, nor is it clear when hezbollah ordered them or when they arrived. it appears that at some point between order and delivery is real and intelligent service was able to get hold of the pagers and insert explosives and a detonator before delivery to hezbollah. the page was apparently ran for months before exploding signs of a sophisticated operation that must have been planned long before dressing capitalists, as a professor and the computer science and engineering department of new york university, you talked to us about whether there was a risk the other items, for example, medical devices such as pacemakers could be manipulated as well. absolutely. um, in fact uh, a vice president, a former vice president dick cheney,

his pacemaker was not network connected and needed special equipment for people to be able to interact with it exactly to protect against this type of threat. and i think that this threat, you know, it's very common to think of things like medical devices and this is a very serious, very real threat. but there are other aspects out there that are also very, very serious threats. automobiles, for instance, the automotive industry has done a tremendous job of improving their security. but there still is quite a long ways to go. and you can imagine what would happen if an organization is able to get in and disable the brakes. or, you know, force acceleration of a large number of cars in a major metropolitan area. it would be pandemonium. and that doesn't require any of the types of supply chain attacks that you saw here, which to me is really the newest thing about this type of attack. that is, you know, allegedly israel was able to go and interfere input explosive inside of

a lot of these devices. so that was computer scientists jump justin capital as they're now the one general assembly has strongly backed a resolution demanding an into israel's occupation of the palestinian territories. within 12 months, it was reported by 124 of 193 members with 43 as the extensions. the text is based on an advisory opinion from the international court of justice that calls israel's post 1967 occupation unlawful. israel rejects that on buying a solution. now turkey has taken us formally and a is rarely position since the war and gaza began. the country was once as real as close as outlined. the region for times have deteriorated under president richard, type air to one. he's criticizes western allies over the perceived support for is really offensive. but also trying to positional turkey as a mediator and peacemaker. are corresponding julia hun and assemble looks now at

turkey's role in the concurrent deadly conflict. and whether i'm kara, has any potential to steer in a more peaceful direction. housing or i it is afraid for his little brother, son of me, is this for going to and i need a, a 28 year old palestinian has been living in east temple for several years. but his siblings and parents are in garza, my mom, how are you? had it. every time he tries cooling, he's afraid they went on so a nice little hand and you can't imagine the condition that they live in. oh, i hear sometimes it's hard to believe me and there's nothing to 18 of them that they're practically surviving on canned food and brought in as a messiah. that i, that i'm valid on top of that and how the bombings contain in the matter, if there's no sense of security, anything can happen at any moment. let me see if sugarland has them shows us the street and gaza, where he grew up. he hardly recognizes it almost

a year into the wall between these rolling homeless ceaselessly negotiations have so far. let know with pausing, often feels helpless. but here in turkey, he also senses the loss of solidarity to coming outside of the turkey is one of the countries that provides the most hate to the palestinians even. and this is well known. but we expect more from target president recham type air, the one that came up, we want more support for the palestinian people. the shopping for leslie is the tech is president, is among the fee assist critics of israel's military offensive and gaza launched off to the october 7th terror attack by home us god, no $1.00 has not come to israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu to add a seat enterprise thomas, which is classified as a terror organization by multiple entities as a quote liberation group to get to legal dansville as well as 9 during these difficult days of fighting for somebody in the seventy's and took even takes the

clearest and strongest action against israel genocidal policies unit business, this kind of rhetoric, analysts say, doesn't go well with assets to broke a piece. something on crow has aspired to circus policy makers have worked hard to positions for a key as a mediation between the homeless and he's of the policy doesn't work. and eventually talk you found self isolated, locked out of the diplomatic negotiations, largely because of its a problem us tense which is has them as thirty's, credibility in the eyes of israel. in recent months, the turkish government has tried to pile pressure on israel. it has officially suspend the financial trade of and applied to join south africa's genocide case against each row at the international court of justice. avalon has ultimately

criticized western nations for their complicity in this conflict through their um, wavering support for his route. and he aims here to rally the international community, but particularly the quote unquote global south and the muslim world around for the cdn issue a and, and he position seems to position himself as the champion of global justice here because that's not enough to some tacky these pro testers, the leads that on crush would introduce more sanctions against israel. last, the result of the government is expressing itself directly with palestine only in words. it's not enough to just talk about our muslim brothers or say we feel therapy, and these are just words divided probably all fall away from gaza. has them that i it doesn't really know what it takes to stop the war. he worries about his family

and hopes they will finally be a ceasefire. know mehta, how it comes about and with that you're up to date, but to stay tuned up next we have a documentary, a bunch from clean, one of the fastest growing, biggest cities in china on there until roland. thank you very much for joining us. the can you see is what old cars hi is, have to do. the production has a hand on the really indeed much now on youtube, the.