that it's all about saying it's loud as you guys would have being nosy, bail. it gets everyone to king's too many healthy award winning called called the called back. the ukraine is facing another bits a winter as well with russia. and there's many, many without the equipment needed to win. my guest this week is kara roodick or ukrainian opposition m. p. m. lead of the goal us or voice poppy as west and leaders language over whether kids should target russia with long range missiles. she reminds them that they promise support all the way to victory. so how crucial are these weapons to ukraine survival and just how distant victory look. kara routed, welcome to come fix on, thanks for making time for us. hello, jim. thank you so much for having me. 2 months ago,

president zalinski appealed to european leaders to stay united and not betray ukraine. are you being betrayed by the west? i think it would be unfair to say is that we are good rate, but also we need to be very clear that every day of the time of the delay when political promises are not becoming the weapons in the hands of all the soldiers. every day of the delay we are paying for was the lives of public people. and we want to be very clear when we have talking to all their friends and the lice in the west that there is. and it's no time to wait. there's no time to make the decisions that are so much needed here because we don't know who will be here tomorrow. the landscape seems now clearly to doubt the west's resolve to stay the course. do you share his doubts? you know,

i am still optimistic. i know there will be many things that will change depending on who will be sitting in the white house. and it is, of course, a very important matter and it will have an influence. there is another side is that european leaders understood that they need to strengthen europe. and i think this decision is one of the most important and will have a huge influence on how the war will go um, from now on. and we're really, really supportive of that. it's time for the leaders of the best. we come to the point that dr. shot and china and iran and north korea. they are getting ready for big war. and we as right now, are just the frontline, we're trying to hold all the ports from the east that are coming. and this is why it is so important that you're beyond leaders and the leader of the rain breaks and it will start working on building on the defense right now. and when you tell them

this, what is their response? well, it's usually that they understand, but the bureaucracy, so strong and the tight and, and we need to be cautious to make some decisions. again, aside to being really pessimistic on that, i can tell you that there has been a huge progress in terms of these opinions about strengthening dorothy and countries seems like 2 and a half years ago when the full scale invasion started. and right now this understanding is there in the highest good minutes of major uh and uh, in uh, brun minister its um meetings. however, we also understand that the democracy needs to learn to move past or otherwise is the risks of verify that the tire needs will have enough percent us in july, you said we're calling on our allies to switch from helping us fight this war

through letting us when the war are you saying that with the equipment and the suppliers that you've been given so far, you're simply not capable of winning this war. it's not enough. absolutely, it's not enough. and it will, i will not be and use, make care of. that's right. it has been that colon voice from many of the ukraine representatives that the amounts of divide bends and supplies and limitations that are being set on this weapons and supplies are limiting, alrick capabilities of fighting back. we simply do not have enough of the means to fight back. we simply do not have enough of the air defense systems to protect. i was kind and have this luxury of going to bed in the evening, knowing that we will wake up in the morning. we simply do not have enough of the munition, and we simply do not have a decision of allowing us to use the weapons to take down the michelle and planes

when they're on the line and not where they are so close to our homes to get to them and that idea has no, do you had gone through? it's in progress. however, we haven't heard this important decision to be a begging for, for many months right now to allow us to use the weapons that we possess right now that are coming through our western allies to use them to take down the military targets inside russia. so far, the west is refusing to change its mind. us and british leaders met in washington last week. they failed to take any kind of decisions. how disappointing was that for you. i'm usually singles. how many of my friends and relatives will survive until the next medium of leaders? how many of our people will not get there to hear when the decision will be done? looked, you know, since the beginning of a full scale invasion, we have heard the word know so many times because carpet starting from getting us

like heavy weapons, then getting the tags then to getting patrick miss sells dental getting side projects. uh. every time we know that know is the beginning of the conversation and we know how to work with it to the point, but it does, yes. but it's so so, so unfortunate if you're losing this time in this debate, discussions and procedures and you know what is happening during this time. not only the people here in ukraine are getting killed by that russian terrorist, but that's, but also russia and china and they run and north korea. they have anything that they have production they using the time of their advantage. they are successful, the overpass, them distractions. and they are building their military capacity. while that still has a dentist in the highest cabinets about if to give you freight and ability to defend themselves, but just one, not the landscape says the west is simply emboldening puts in by not making a decision particularly about these long range missiles. do you think western

leaders are running scared of putin? i think the western leaders are still living with the illusion. the dresser is invincible, and that every time twitching, makes a bluff. they are ready to believe it's just like go back with me. to all this paper that she made since the beginning of the full scale invasion, every single time she was using his propaganda to stop the rest and leaders of providing your brain with additional weapons and support. and she was putting unreachable goals to promise because people like taking care of in 3 days, taking the napkin hunt region in full, taking over ukrainian east, etc, etc. as of right now, this illusion is for link because of the russia has shown that they are unable to protect their own territory. those they are threatening because it was with this old world war. well,

let me tell you this. they are very effective. and the terrorist effects they start to be a total rising guys and kidding, that's constantly. but what they're not to would add is actually fighting their full scale war. and this is why is that incursion into the course of the region is affect assigned to the west to lead to saying, well, who did his blushing? he's just getting you off to stop you from giving us what we need to win rationalize. nothing visible, this war is when the boat we can, we met, we have the result. we have the resources given the means. there's an caution of your by your troops into the coast region of russia has suddenly lifted people's more all in the west when they look at your achievements on the battlefield. what is that done for? they're all inside you crane or you can tell you it's very practical, many of my friends who live in the some of the region. bordering course, the region have been costs and you're under a tax not only vice versa,

and ms $1000.00 drones, but also by the artillery because it's so close. so the incursion allowed our troops at least 3 moves that spread from people's everyday life. and of course we were elated, but also we have very concerned about and worried about office holders for their right now because one can imagine wasn't unbelievably risk. the operation that is, and we just hope that they will um, they will be successful at some point. and it's coming back, and this is was to give you a better bargaining position in the event that they're all going to be peace talks or talks about peace. well, i think it's a little bit different than that. well, the 1st of all, the presidents left, you was very clear that we have no trading of the categories, but there were certain countries like china who provided their plan is that it's called this plan. and that's had to, um, some points we say, well,

we will accept things as they are, meaning that the conflict will be frozen and the territories will remain certain. and 3rd, thirds of all that remained occupied. what i've seen that incursion, intercourse did as a move that way. this then from the table, because freezing, wherever they are, right? that means it's fresh, also loses something. and i don't think that any of the leader in the world is ready to come in and try to negotiate this booking. before we leave the subject of a long range missiles, can i just get from you an assessment of how critical you think they are in terms of your survival, your independence? well, let me just repeat that. what happens if you don't get these long range missiles, but you have some of them already, but if you're not allowed to use the on targets in russia, we are facing a blackout during the winter. if we are not getting that ability to take down and

freshman military targets, look during that last 2 years and intensifying this year. pressure has been deliberately targeting our critical energy infrastructure. during the summer, there has been majority of the energy for new production destroyed. and the energy rich and other facilities and in summer and that happens days, we only have electricity of holes for a 4 to 6 hours a day. and if you're living in them, we'll just started building where the woods are elevators and electricity are all linked together. it's very hard to operate, it's all, it's very hard to operate without electricity because it's one of the basic needs to be a covered. and we have facing an incredibly hard winter investigation. but i'm not sure that our energy system will be able to sustain yes and not the mass of attacks on the, the previous winter was very hard. right now we are in the much worse situation. so

we are asking for this permission, not because we want to know because we need to, but because it's only chance of going through the winter with the temperatures like minus 18. uh and, and be able to heat other holes team you're looking at around, i believe, a hardship onto for 4 people, especially the young and the elderly. on january 2nd of this year, there was a miss out shift near the hole where i live and that's i'm talking to you from it was, it came from me so, and i can assure you that i live with no way i was in the military all just i wasn't home and it's happened. and i have witnessed have the windows from my living room, what were pulled out of the frames and thrown into the middle of the rooms, the glasses everywhere and it, it felt like my personal, our, i'm a get done. and now remember how my, my neighbors and myself, how we were running and drawing, trying to seize people need help. and then day 5 people were killed by this attack

. and why the 200 lost their homes. and i was really lucky because i had minor injuries, but important think about that is that it was minus 18 all type. so like once your hands are still shaking from the explosion of what you do, you have to cover your windows with the plastic. otherwise, the pipes in your home will explode the because of the cold, and you will have like nothing then. so this is like what just out one incident of the one that is happening, but it's happening every single day. and what we are facing is being alone with the calls in the winter without any ability of the quick fix. because another issue that we are looking at right now is, even if the water is over today, we cannot fix our energy grid energy system. so quickly. it's just impossible. you cannot build a nuclear station in one year. you kind of build it in, in 6 months. it's just impossible. and this is why right now we're just trying to

bear to this minimal difference have left and the, i think, help us to have that. you mean there's so little survives through the winter. when something like that happens when there's a hit on your building, when you see the damage really um folding in front of you, how do you pick yourself up and carry on? what is, what is that an incident like that do to you is on a personal level. it's really hard to sleep at nights for me. and i sleep usually under the stairs in on the 1st floor because it's a safe, just basic home. but i can tell you there was like something else inside of them inside of the terrifying experiences of this kid that we've missed. and it was how people were getting together as one called my neighbors and people who are like, really coming from another neighborhood towards coming together or helping out i

own, if you don't know who helped me out to clean the glass from, from the backyard. and we weren't there to help the kids of our neighbors for a little bit injured. so people were coming together and saying, well, lou, this already happened, but we are live and we will survive. we are united to you together. you. my mom said as a times like this, people start, i think like birds on the 3 in the winter and you know like speaking together very closely. and this is what happens. and obviously this helps me to process all the things and move forward. there was another story like this. recently, when to childrens hospital, us, my dips was hits in the middle of gave my address with miss style. and that's a witness. how a loo, human shame of bringing the what's or and said, you have the rabble. it took a couple of kilometers. people were just coming, standing, helping each other. no question asked, no, like no worries, a tool and saying okay, we will. what do we need to do?

we will do, we will survive, will minimize the damage and google works and we will because we are the one. and i think this is entering to the question on the war and get if it has been level 2 and a half years into full scale invasion, 11 years into, into the war. i can tell you, we still have it another sales, just give us the means and we'll, we'll find back. you seem to prove so that you have seen us showing you the fact of how effective and efficient we are with the weapons. how careful the hours of athens and it's we can deliver, we can show the results, and the result is victory. and making sure the threshold will be unable to attack us again. and this is what we are working towards. do you still believe in victory to the people of ukraine still believe in victory? absolutely. you know, the only good fuel that'd be around one right now is a hope. what would that victory look like? do you think? how do you see this war? and it's

a complicated question on how we achieve not only pushing the rushes out of all the categories, but making sure that what would not happen again. we have seen how impossible the international agreements of support and the international law has been. and so we need to make sure that after they were ends, we see a very clear way of how russia with us back us again us. and i don't see right now, there is a person or an organization that can insure us with that that can take, this has been some of the team. and this is why we need to be working towards making ukraine as strong. the dresser would not attack us. this is the most important question that i think is not solved. the. i have high hopes on friends lensky plan, but he's going to show 2 candidates to the president of the united states, and he's going to share with president biden. maybe there was an answer there,

but as a phrase now uh, it is unclear. how do we make sure that this war? it doesn't to repeat itself in 5 to 10 years. let's talk about the us and the, the role of the us in this war, president zaleski said last month that your victory depends mostly on the support of the united states. where a month that off away from the us presidential election. if donald trump wins, they're a serious concerns, the to caps, assistance to you, he's already said if he's elected him and the war in the day is mitchell was a nightmare it's it's very upsetting to hear this from a candidate to become a president of the country that thinks of themselves as the leader of the democratic world, i think would make sure your leader is being able to stand up for your values and to keep your promises. and if you're unable to do that,

then how does the rest of the world would look at you? how the timeline would look at you? how i think the more pieces would look at you saw i seeing that we will see the difference between the standard statements of the candidate and action of the precedents if that happens. but of course we have concerns. i think it's generally not only regarding ukraine, a very, very dangerous strategy to try and find simple solutions through the complicated problems. because the more in your brain is not only it work for democracy. it's also a war against the precedent in 21st century. one country cannot next to the territory of another one from it, all kinds of the work crimes and then get away with it. and i think allowing teaching to get away with it will create so many more precedents around the glow that the democracies would not be able to handle. and i seeing the one who wants to

be a leader of the democratic world needs to consider that. i'm still an interview last week with the drums running mate, j. d events. we know roughly what is in terms mind a settlement which would say russia retain the territory. it's captured so far, create a buffer zone between the 2 states and force ukraine to abandon its on patients to join nato. would something like that ever be acceptable to this or any you guy named government? you know too much as a phrase. now i've seen more than 80 percent of the ukrainians have either someone fighting defense or lost some of the defense. so to push the legs that would basically be saying that all those that's, that's all those tragedies and all those exercises were for nothing and i didn't seem to bring in people take that there is also

a question about exit disability of that idea like that. and i think it's, it's not very well thought, because like once we have, we still have like a largest army in, in the continental. good, great. how do you stop this army from fighting? honestly, i wouldn't want to be the one who's coming in saying, well, we should go back home. i, i don't know a single person would want to do that. there's a 3rd question. this is very important when we already had the deal like that. we only really had it since 2014 and you know how it works. it works exactly in a very big way and just allows russia to use what they called as to allow me to, to me. and they're cutting piece by piece. take a deep breath. wait until the political leads in the democratic world change a bit, build more factories and drones. overpass sanctions yet beg of the frozen assets

and invest them into military production. and then attack us again. and perhaps not only our cells, but many, many other countries that are bordering pressure. you see this also, and the very interesting a situation that is a far as the country is from russia. the last of the stripes, the single fits well and i want to uh, to take all of the great britain from that because you have guys have been our amazing partners. but this is why i see when we are talking about donald trump is the most effective and efficient answer to his statement was by our president. who said, well, we are inviting you to try and president from here to bring to witness himself. what is happening. and to make decisions uh, being uh, absolutely acknowledged about the, the, the risks and the resolved, but also what worked and what absolutely did not work in the past. you will need to

have an opposition party named call us of a voice. what's the role of the political position in war time? you know, on monday, a very smart man told me that, and there is no university in the world full teach you to be able edition during and work time. and that's true. our main goal is right now to keep the country running the service of the army and to make sure that we are getting all kinds of international supports here. and then the very 1st day of the full scale invasion. we made a vol between the political parties and between the political leadership, for as long as it takes no matter how hard it will be, will will then united until the when the war. and right now, 2 and a half years in i can tell the one thing. it's very hard, but additions are not tend to like, work together is one. however, we are able to maintain certain uni gene above critical points to all the country

matters of survival. getting the necessary health, making sure that the economy is running, creating services for all of an army, because of people's typing in the front are of the top priority. figuring out a way of how to bring people back up to the work having that a military production and ukraine ramping up on and on and on. these are all the things that they are working on and you, in this matter, you can be in a position to something, right? because you kind of be in a position to that idea of keeping to stay together. and there are main thing that we disagree on that's also true and did usually mechanical things or certain cases that that would be fine. could have been done differently. but we are trying to resolve them behind closed doors because people are also looking at as with the whole it'd be a concentrated, not on that fulfilling of a political emissions, but also on uh,

delivering to the people where they desperately need. are you still willing to fight to still have your kalashnikov as a science to brave men and women plus siding right now? i didn't have to use it and i'm so so, so grateful and in depth to all of them. are you ready to, if you have to? absolutely, we already, we did not change our strategy a single bit, or we are staying in our country. we are fighting this. why would freedom and we are making sure that this war is one and then never to be just a good, a good spring. good to have your own complex. so thanks very much for coming on. thank you. thank you. go to the

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