the, the best best is china, september 27th. on the as the warning ukraine brings ever more death and destruction. key european officials fair most go is now preparing for conflict with the west. i guess this week goes along with that view. these cofer rosen types of his phone. he is intelligent service, but he still believes russia can lose all task in the rest. to be the make sure that the russia comes out of this conflict as a beacon polar. so how united is the west, and how vital is it that you crane gets the weapons? it's one proper. rose, you welcome to comfort zone shown in your view, how long does the west have before it might or might have to fight to war with

russia? of course i have to say that we don't really truck at the development see the best the question is the answer to that question is it should be as long as i shaw east defeated. i don't know, and i think this is a mission which is opposite weekly, possible, the conduct or you say that, but in your intelligence reports in february, you said that a military confrontation with the west, russia was preparing for that. and that could happen within 10 years, but there are other people, other officials in europe who sure thing that timeline in july, the chief of the general staff of the british army general roney woke of one, but they throw, had 3 to 5 years to prepare for war with what he called them,

access about people. that's russia, china, north korea. and if we're on, uh, do you agree with that? oh, okay. so for me to understand the question, but the point is that the, the timeline when the time space, what we have on our disposal before the potential conflict with russia. the 1st uh, there are several factors. now in, in the pipeline low cost list, we have to make sure that this potential event doesn't happen at all. so the 1st be placed on is a home with dos, the contract, the new crane, and that really determine the future bass. yeah. or for russia, we use the risk. so, in, in this, this issue, if we have a situation after the, let's say, ukraine rush of war,

we had to rush out images from that as a victorious, very self confident power. it really make or calculations based on the, the new situation. then our task in the rest should be to make sure that russia comes out of this conflict as a week and polar which or who might be then as ordering some of the internal programs, which would probably or run into east though he's a russian defeat in in the contract, and i think boy did, would not your wife russian defeat. the 2nd question is, how long it takes solutions to close it, do it or generate a force as we have to keep in mind that and i would like to talk about the notion of the constitution. i would like to name the issue, maybe russian 1st generation or russian forces development may have to keep in mind

that there are some all forces today are set about 100000 mind bigger than it was before the before launching the large scale invasion. and that this is the capability spots in the shop keeps generating forces to generate some additional manpower uh, wanting it to be gotta be got programs to meet that unit, i think. but according to they are on track with that. and or of course, i'm a nation production and equipment to then production with the order refurbishment and production with items also, you know, you know, what's actually i've had one thing come on a deal with some of those issues in, in detail. but this month's newspaper reports you talk about russia needs to be weaker if, if the west is to avoid a war, emerge weak from its will with ukraine. this month's newspaper report say russia had already received more than 200 ballistic missiles from iran at

a port on the s b and c. and there was a risk of it more would be provided. um, if that was massage, keep coming from iran and from other members of that so called access to about people, russia isn't going to emerge week a is coming much, much stronger, isn't that if this trend continues to the russian. so kind of to try and to boost up. it's made it 30 strength. and of course, based on that means that his drink, they are conducting graduation on wolf a be the ukraine. so all the task is to make sure that the creation that aisha is using a beneficial but the mom buddies beneficial on the for a poor to print. it is also i would assess that the russia cannot keep these 3 sion rates up for coming. yes and yes, so we have to make sure that the ukrainians have the power to at 3 the russians as,

as much as possible. and the question is, how do we know it's a deal with that? why sion, the intention bought resolve the ukraine end result, me read the rest again. the main task. what about the after the sort of, before it comes to any but page, i'm going to take the dream, the nato and russia is to make sure that, that ukraine images as, as a, as a vic. let's say as meaning, part of this is going to make people start, but it doesn't look like that at the moment. does it? it doesn't look like you have. it's winning, it's, it's, it's suffering steady loss is on the eastern front, nevermind. the fact that it's advance its own forces into the caustic region inside russia, but it's not doing well on the eastern front of toilers. it is a, i think situation has been difficult, but i wouldn't say that the russians are, let's say, doing great. the item that i show is probably a lot of would like to do is to treat the crating on part as much as possible.

possibly. so the green upfront would collapse, but i don't see that happening any time. sure. so, and i'm not sure either. you have to rush have a clear big story strategy also. uh, i'm not sure they have that very, very clearly defined. they have at the end, the public rhetorics of, you know, what they want to look at, based on what they say. but in the reality, it's something they kind of what the chief of all i would say. do you think come to suppose it was a war with the west? uh, i think he respect that and they thought, but this also again, we have to make sure that this respect continues over the coming. yes. and then it comes to all apart then. how? well, or be prepared, how would our our plans for the eastern plank? uh sir, your sharing. he'd like to have

a boy if he can get away with it. is that too? if he has the feeling that he gets away and nothing happens to him, he comes out clean and then it might run into the calculations. but i would say if i come back to ukraine, rush us advice, and then let's say even if it comes to the situation where there wouldn't be negotiations between the russia and maybe ukrainians. but i want to assess that that i shall scroll, likely, likely only would like to talk to the americans only over the heads of your opinions. and they would also like to discuss the not donio crane, but also the broad executed the, the secuity architecture. so what they call in but be used to push nato capabilities and activities as far as possible from the ocean folder and based and create a new situation on the ground. a based on that. and then again, calculate for what the truck from that moment and this type of discussion all

leslie is very, is the things that i see if it comes to the agenda. okay, sweet. oh, oh, you talked about the need for, for nato to up its game. how much faith do you have in the alliance? at the moment i ask, because 2 years ago, your former prime minister kind of carlos was highly critical of nato's plans to defend the baltic states. she said they would have resulted in a stony, a big white off the map has made so up to its game where its planning is concerned . how does it, how does it come up with a upon like value in the 1st place? and then i don't know how it came up with a plan like this, but i have the feeling that the was pretty hopeless, wasn't that then it was definitely not beneficial for us. but i would say, as far as i know, the plans have changed in that regard. the and, but it's a constant book. now of course, the new step of discussion in may talk between nato allies or different allies of

different viewpoints, which is the oldest under. but it's a beauty of the last, but i think we are on the right track. most of the companies understand the threat, but that i suppose is also made and long term. and there is a general understanding that we have to be prepared or we have to leave the bed to protect those of what the frame though is. so what about the troops that kind of call us one to the nato chose between $20.25 to be based in estonia? has that happened? will it happen? and the that's probably the question more for chief of defense. how many troops are needed here? and we'll see when public saying that it is, it hasn't happened and she needed it to happen. and the last reports we have had saying that it hasn't happened. so i started putting the question to you. absolutely. because i think the question here is about the what you want. it's all

designated for, let's say a reinforcement, the re, again, concrete numbers or more in the defense versus a domain. probably the question is, how many totes you have for what the droid in the piece time of each must be also manage evan, both in training get as an economically and what is probably important for us is that the we have already made the troops designate that for potential for along the reinforcements, which then it would be launched in after the proper early warning that he's given. so let's say on. so do you have enough troops or not at the moment to repel, to repel a russian advance should. that'd be one. i think we would view up, we would give a good fight to the russians and then hopefully reinstall reinforcements with the right rapidly according to the plants. and do you have

a cost on guarantee that more than 30 countries, the members of nato will fight side by side with you if you are attacked. uh, i'm pretty confident in that, but again, the small print is it, it's not a not to go 5. yeah, but the it, so the question is ultimate though is defense plants which are constantly developed and it's a ongoing but that's how it is or we've been talking about a possible will with russia, but in the sense it's already begun. how soon to talk. if you could talk to me a little bit about the sabotage operations that have the kremlin fingerprints on them, not just getting started here, but elsewhere in europe is this, is this a growing trend? well, it is a total what the national fix it can use against invest in order to disrupt us to bring tension in dollars. so saw this. uh, rochelle probably helps that the to be relying on the all the good 5 with these

activities in this don't. ok this we have more than 15 people arrested over the last year in the connection with the russians on the project. give me this. it seems that they saw perfectly anything is conducted throughout europe and in the form of awesome, etc. it is something serious of a these, these attacks. i would say if i open the door and them case, then they live in the batteries with a lot of we have the incidence of vandalism mutual and let's say more of this harmless the opt awesome though. the question is, of course, the, let's say the how it develops it has been, it has escalate that they hold is on things that go over the last year. so if this, the revere him of destabilizing um your country, or just keeping you on your toes or making people nervous, what of the nation?

it also tries to undermine probably on the mind, the support of the 2 parts to your grade. yeah, it is the disrupt us, it is here to tell you our resource so, so we would pay more attention and though it was internal issues and trying to bypass all what attention from the support the to do the gradients. let's talk about ukraine's urgent request to use long range, west and midsize on targets. in russia, you'll president carter's port school and on the nato countries that have withheld use of the long range missiles for you, correct? because of fears of escalating, the crisis was the right to do that. you said it was pure self deception and reflected indecision and fear which played into russian hands. if your president is right and nato is becoming and decisive and fearful,

the nato is no longer fit for purpose is that when i have to create means, my president know in this code in perfect you know some many. if you look into based on it, there are some 7 other that's a new that are the items. what that i show has sometimes successfully installed in the head of the best and most of the 1st the 1st battle dying. but that i shall see all trying to communicate is that the conflict should happen only on the 1030 of the victim and the address on whether what agent should be remain on touched. this is 1st i'm in the military history. and the 2nd idea of what the issue is that trying to get it to communicate over to pull the play and to us, is that the right? it is impossible for russia to lose? again, it's not correct the right size, last 7 of or so the throughout the they use the result. i know,

but they have up as of may. so i'm not persuaded them that all the other members are showing in his woods in decision and fear of a rush on. so i'll try and do the install this video. so it is, of course, a task for us, for the eastern plank gone to is to keep explaining this to all the rest the allies . and i think down the standing is also need to be changing a already and also in the, in more invest in concerts. but the, i agree it has, let's say taken too long time. uh, vote for this change. what is an ongoing process? isn't it because your president said i have several countries expressing that this uh for a quick diplomatic solution and compromise with russia. and there's a spreading hope that resetting relations with pollutants. russia is possible or even inevitable. you don't believe that. do you? my life. i been, i am convinced that the russian currants,

which he must be defeated strategically because he, even if we didn't, is partially successful in these objects himself to be assessed that he would continue and print it, but so they've already knew crane would be not over. and meet me and if you have a pros and conflict that at some point though, something the, something they like and so, and they have those understand the russians are according to themselves. they are in the war already with the collective, the best in their own understanding. so i don't see that many options for us. if you talk about the longer term quantity, go as an ocean, then the make sure that the gradients be at the end. that again, i think it this store, but actually if the ukrainians don't get the weapons they need or permission to use the ones they have inside russia. will it be impossible for them to when

i think that one weapon system that i think i'm so bucks i'm but it's a that's a long range human size. yes. i think it has to be. it has become very symbolic. at this point. it looks like this map on system alone doesn't sort of the conflict adult, but the question is, it's about the, the body to cultural, bought, or, or, or understanding from russian side to that they are able to detour us and based on on their thoughts. luckily they will create as having them and not being they own weapons, which seems to be sometimes more patient. when i look at what happens in russia, but we've had a ukrainian politician on this program just a week ago saying the west has given us enough weapons to fight, but not enough to win. that's the view coming out of ukraine at the moment. don't

you see where they're coming from? it is hard to argue with this that it is on a threshold boyfriend. so the at the, in the side to be more bills and more resource really been. there's a question about the pro ration rate for both sides. ukraine needs additional good, both of the nation level nation to make that happen over so again, we shouldn't be somehow we shouldn't. the restrain, always setups in digital butting. you'll create with any type of weapon. so i'm a nation they need and i agree that the it has taken to a long time, but as authorization, so they'll be made. but again, i don't see that the cost is lost properly at this point, but there are, there are divisions emerging in europe among nature. we have the check president present pabo saying ukraine needed to be realistic. the most probable outcome of

the war would be that russia would hold on to some of the territories. it's capture at least temporary. that's pretty defeat just isn't the fact idea. takes root nato . that's not going to be good to ukraine. is it a little our talking point is that you creating can still be in this. so the discussions do we have the seems to be in contrast to nato countries. russia has been busy transforming it's economy into a war economy. it's turning out there are munition and advanced weaponry, some of which is not so far, appearing on the battlefield. does that not suggest to you that russia is preparing for a much bigger conflict? the, let's say the current about me see said all the resources. so for rush, i'm on for so, so the russian federation imprints it but boy and good. what's your crate?

so if you look at the situation currently along all that borders, there is not much, there are some military power available for the from, from that iron side. so that's, that's the good news. so the question is, if the, if it takes 4 restaurants so wrong, and it's so painful to try and do the feet, feel great. and then the question is, how would it, how would that i shot before them against the rest, which is much more advanced. i'm not sure that would go out of the conflict, but the jump warranty would go out in the ocean. the favor. of course, we have to make sure that the noa site, the proper resources, clients, equipment available, nomination stokes audit, the let's say needed 11. i would say best is, of course, if the war stops in the rest of the active face of the conflict,

the stop so we can buy the light. that is what they need to be very painful. what full russian economy to come, all of this war economy the moment that would be very interesting to watch, so they would keep producing. and from that point, the lawn, if we take away the pre show me show, having you know, cream from that point on that, that's a growth or progression. we thought a, he's then speeding up. i would say ukraine's president zalinski has taken his what he calls his victory plan through washington to run it past the americans . he said it's a plan to strength and ukraine and force russia to the negotiating table. is ukraine able to do that in your view for russia to the negotiating table? i haven't seen the victoria plan again. currently, all you do not see any reason from russian side to negotiate anything uh,

syncs again the, let's say the best thing you'd weakness of best invites further escalation from device on site. it's not just saved, it is weak and this isn't. it. is weight based on division in the way i think we are actually a much stronger if we would be more v link to let's say play out this strength. and then the other point they start from what, what is, what are you waiting for? what's, what's the west waiting for? know, well, uh, i mean they've been enough cookies and enough warnings. we are pushing the rest and allies. and not only be all the time is in the daily daily book, and this is the basis a patient. but again i, i see some movement, so i'm not that pessimistic and all that on. but that they as a, in a book they have to point to one of the points in the presidency landscapes.

victory plan is that he wants further security guarantees that we'll, that'd be worth the paper that written on, even if he gets them the bill to pass memorandum, which was suppose to, uh, secure uh, ukraine's future when he gave up it's nuclear weapons in 1994 hasn't done so well for them as it, particularly since it was a guaranteed both by russia and america. so visa board to bring them faster to data, which would be the proper notice if you were to go on to in our view, is, is ukraine going on when not at the moment, does it nothing less? the west gets its act together and gives it the weapons. is it so kind of with noble. uh, we have to think joe, what would it duration show up? what they think are they in europe and the, the prussia, let's say bins. and the said in this case, and that's basically what that would be. story us self confident,

the ratio which would the make photo long calculations based on the new situation, we would have a huge pro. well, for if we choose problem ukraine, you flips it. i sure would take over the country in one form or another. and we would have a situation where the ukraine of resources would it would be totally against of us by the russians. about what keeps you awake at night? well then we are working day and night to let's say prevent that from happening. how long? well, for us this is existing, show the issue, we understand. so they cannot be tired of tweak that. all right, couple of really good tab you're on the program. thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much for having the

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