ation his right. size house says document trees. subscribe. now. the main street as the warring ukraine brings ever more death and destruction key european officials fair moscow is now preparing for conflict with the west. i guess this week goes along with that view. these co for roses type of as sony as intelligent service, but he still believes russia can lose or task in the rest should be to make sure that the russia comes out of this conflict as a beacon polar. so how united is the west, and how vital is it that you've crane gets the weapons? it's one proper. rose, you welcome to convert, go shopping and you view,

how long does the west have before it might or might have to fight to war with russia? of course i have to say that we don't really truck at the developments in the best . the question is the answer to that question is it should be as long as the partial is defeated, i don't know. and i think this is a mission which is opposite, weekly, possible, the conduct or you say that, but the annual intelligence reports in february, you said that the military confrontation with the west, russia was preparing for that. and that could happen within 10 years. so there are other people, other officials in europe who sure thing that timeline in july, the chief of the general staff of the british army, general roney woke of one, but they throw, had 3 to 5 years to prepare for war with what he called them,

access about people, that's russia, china, north korea. and if we're on, do you agree with that? oh, okay, so for me to understand the question, but the point is that the, the timeline when the time the space, what we have on our disposal before the potential conflict with russia. the 1st uh there are several factors now in, in the pipeline low cost for us. we have to make sure that this potentially event doesn't happen. important. so the 1st be placed on is a home with us, the contract, the new crane, and that really determine the future bath. yeah. or for russia, who's that risk? so in, in this, uh, this issue. if we have a situation after the, let's say ukraine, rush of war, we had rush out,

emerges from that as will be kentoria is very self confident power. it really make court calculations. and based on the, the new situation, then our task being the best should be to make sure that russia comes out of this conflict as a beacon polar which or who might be then as ordering some of the day and come up programs which would probably, or run into if there is a russian defeat in, in the contract and i think pointed with not to wife russian defeat. that the 2nd question is how long it takes to wash and store it. close it, do it, or genet. a forces we have to keep in mind that and i would like to talk about the notion reconstitution. i would like to name the issue and maybe russian 1st generation or russian forces development. they have to keep in mind that there are

some on forces today are separate on 100000 mind, bigger than it was before the before launching the launch gave invasion. and that this is the capability to spot the shock deeps generating forces to generate additional manpower. uh, wanting it to be gotta be got programs to meet that unit, i think, but going into they are on tech and with that and or of course, i'm a nation production and agreement to them production with the order refurbishment and production with the items also you know, you know what, the actual, the ones that come on and deal with some of those issues in, in detail. but this month's newspaper reports you talk about. russia needs to be weaker if, if the west is to avoid a war, emerge weak from its war with ukraine. this month's newspaper report say russia had already received more than 200 ballistic missiles from iran at

a port on the s b and c. and there was a risk of it more would be provided if that was miss ost keep coming from iran and from other members of that so called access to about people. russia isn't going to emerge week a is coming much, much stronger, isn't that if this trend continues to the russian. so kind of to try and to boost up. it's made it 30 strength and of course, based on that means that his drink, they are conducting graduation and wolf a be the ukraine. so all the task is to make sure that the creation that aisha is using a beneficial but the mom buddies beneficial on the 4 point print. it is also i would assess that the rush. i cannot keep this position rate up for coming. yes and yes. so we have to make sure that the ukrainians have the power to at 3 the

russians as, as much as possible. and the question is, how do we know it's a deals with the russian intention bought and resolve the ukraine. and we started me read the rest again. the main task was about to have to insult him before it comes to any, but they've gone, take the dream, the nato and russia is to make sure that, that ukraine images as, as that as a big let's say, as being part of this, this quantity, people started but it doesn't look like that at the moment. does it? it doesn't look like you have is winning. it's, it's, it's suffering. study loss is on the eastern front, nevermind the fact that its advance its own forces into the cossack region inside russia. but it's not doing well on the eastern front of toilers. it is a, i think situation has been difficult, but i wouldn't say that the russians are, let's say, doing great. the item that i show is probably

a lot of would like to do is to treat the crating apart as much as possible. possibly. so the green upfront would collapse, but i don't see that happening any time. sure. so, and i'm not sure either. you have to rush and have a clear big story strategy also. uh, i'm not sure they have that very, very clearly defined. they have at the end of public rhetorics of you know, what they want the looked at, based on what they say. but in the reality, it's something they kind of what the chief of all i would say, do you find come to suppose it was a wall with the west? uh, i think he respects and then they thought, but this also again, we have to make sure that this respect continues over the coming years and then it comes to all apart then. how well or be prepared, how would our plans for the eastern plank?

so your starting, he'd like to have a boy, if you can get away with it, is that too easily? you know, the feeling that she gets away and nothing happens to him. he comes out clean and then it might run into the calculations. but i would say if i come back to ukraine, rush us advice, and then let's say even if it comes to the situation where there will be negotiations between the russia and maybe ukrainians. but i want to assess that that i shall scroll, likely, likely only would like to talk to the americans only over the heads of your parents . and they would also like to discuss the not donio crane, but also to throw those acute at date, the secuity architecture. so what they call in but be used to push nato capabilities and activities as far as possible from the ocean boulder and based and create a new situation on the ground. a based on that. and then again,

calculate for what from that moment and this type of discussion. all leslie is very dangerous if it comes to the agenda. okay, sweet. oh, oh, you talked about the need for, for nato to up its game. how much face do you have in the alliance? at the moment i ask, because 2 years ago, your former prime minister kind of call us was highly critical of nato's plans to defend the baltic states. she said they would have resulted in a stony, i think, wiped off the map um has made so up to its game where its planning is concerned. how does it, how does it come up with a upon like value in the 1st place? and i don't know how it came up with a plan like this, but i have the feeling that the was pretty hopeless, wasn't it then it was definitely not beneficial for us. but i would say, as far as i know, the plans have changed in that regard. the and, but it's a constant book. now, of course,

a new stop of discussion. we may talk between nato allies or different allies of different view points, which is the oldest under, but it's a beauty of the last, but i think we are on the right track. most of the companies understand the threat about that. i suppose this is also made and long term, and there is a general understanding that we have to be prepared or we have to be prepared to protect those simple defend dollars. so what about the troops that kind of call us one to the nato choose between 20 and 25000 to be based in estonia, as that happened when it happened. and the that's probably the question more for chief of defense. how many troops are needed here? and we'll see when public saying that it is, it hasn't happened and she needed it to happen. on the last reports we have had saying that it hasn't happened. so i started putting the question to you. absolutely. because i think the question here is about the what you want. it's all

designated for, let's say, a reinforcement, the re, again, concrete numbers are more in the defense force, us the domain. probably the question is, how many totes you have for what the pro it's in the piece time, which must be also manage oven. both in training get as an economically and what is probably important for us is that the we have already made the troops designate that for potential for along the reinforcements, which then it would be launched in after a proper early warning that he's given. so it was here on, so do you have enough troops or not at the moment to repel, to repel a russian advance? should that be one? i think we, with the view up, we would give up, would fight the russians and then hopefully reinstall reinforcements with the right rapidly according to the plants. and do you have

a cost on guarantee that more than 30 countries, the members of nato will fight side by side with you if you're attacked. uh, i'm pretty confident in that, but again, the small print is it, it's not a not to go 5. yeah, but the, it, so the question is about the nato is defense plants which are constantly developed and it's a ongoing but that's what is we've been talking about a possible will with russia, but in the sense it's already begun. how soon to talk, if you can talk to me a little bit about the sabotage operations that have the kremlin fingerprints on them. not just getting started here, but elsewhere in europe. is this, is this a growing trend? well, it is a total of what the national fix it can use against invest in order to disrupt us to bring tension in dollars. so saw this uh, the rush out profile really helps that,

that to be relying on the all the good 5 with these activities in this don't ok this we have more than 15 people arrested over the last the year in the connection with the russians. i'm a product, give me this. it seems that there's some opportunities to conduct the trout, the europe in the bottom of us on it's at the it is something serious of a these, these attacks. i would say if i open the door and them case, then they live in the battery slit a lot and we have the incidence of vandalism mutual. and let's say more of this harmless the opposite. awesome. though the question is, of course, the, let's say the how it develops it has been, it has escalate that they hold is on things ready to go over the last year. so if this, the revere him of destabilizing um your country, or just keeping you on your toes or making people know of us,

what the main thing for a mention, it also tries to undermine probably on the mind, to support of the trip up to your grade. yeah, if you stipulate disrupt us, it is here to tell you our resource so, so we would pay more attention and though it was internal issues and trying to bypass our attention from the support the to do the upgrade. and let's talk about ukraine's urgent request to use long range west of messiahs on targets in russia. your president, our counters poured score and on the nato countries that have withheld use of a long range missiles for you, correct? because of fears of escalating, the crisis was the right to do that. you said it was pure self deception and reflected indecision and fear which played into russian hands. if your president is right to nato is becoming and decisive and fearful,

the nato is no longer fit for purpose. is it when i have to aggravate miss my president in this code and perfect you know some many. if you're looking to east on it, there are some 7 or other that's a new federal dimes. what that i show has sometimes successfully installed in the head of the best and most of the 1st as the and 1st battle dying. but that i shall see all trying to communicate is that the conflict should happen only on the 1030 of the victim and the address on what the what agent should be remain on punched. this is 1st i'm in the military history. and the 2nd idea of what that i show is that trying to and it to communicate over, click over play. and to us, is that the right? it is impossible for russia to rules. again, it's not the correct the right size, last 7 of or so the throughout the they use the result. nobody have up as of may.

so not persuaded them that all the other members are showing in his woods in decision and fear of a rush on. so i'll try and do the install this free or so it is, of course a task for us, for the eastern plank gone through is to keep explaining this to all the rest the allies. and i think down the standing is also need to be changing a already and then also in the, in more invest in the context. but the, i agree it has, let's say taken too long time. uh, vote for this change. whether it's an ongoing process, isn't it because your president said i hear several countries expressing it does offer a quick diplomatic solution and compromise with russia. and there's a spreading hope that resetting relations with pollutants. russia is possible or even inevitable. you don't believe that. do you, in my life i been, i am convinced that the russian government,

which he must be defeated strategically. because the you at this point is partially successful. you need so objective to reassess that. he would continue and print it, but so they've already knew crane would be not over and meet me. and if you have a pros and conflict that at some point or something, the something they like so, and they have to also understand the directions are according to them since they are in the war already with the collective, the best in their own understanding. so i don't see that many options because if you talk about the long term quantity, go as an ocean, then the make sure that your brain ends being at the end. but again, i think it this to happen actually if the ukrainians don't get the weapons they need or permission to use the ones they have inside russia. will it be impossible

for them to when i think that one weapon system, the optic, i'm simple example. it's a, that's a long range human size. yes, i think it has to be, it has become very symbolic. at this point. i looked at this map on system alone, 1000 and sort of the conflict a dog. but the question is, it's about the, where the body that goes bought or the or understanding from russian side to that they are able to detour us and based on their thoughts. luckily, they are great as having them and not being their own weapons, which seems to be sometimes more patient. and then i look at what happens in russia, but we've had a ukrainian politician on this program just a week ago saying the west has given us enough weapons to fight, but not enough to win. that's the view coming out of ukraine at the moment. don't

you see where they're coming from? it is hard to argue with this that it is on a threshold boyfriend. so the at the, in the side with more bills and more resource, really been. there's a question about pro, for that position rate for both sides. ukraine needs additional good, both of those and the level nation to make that happen. august the so again, we shouldn't be somehow we shouldn't. the restore email was set ups in the to board thing you'll create with any type of weapon. so i'm a nation. they need and i agree that the it has taken to a long time, but it's also the addition. so they'll be made. but again, i don't see that the cost is lost properly at this point, but there are, there are divisions emerging in europe among very so we have the check president

present pabo saying ukraine needed to be realistic. the most probable outcome of the war would be that russia would hold on to some of the territories. it's capture at least temporary. that's pretty defeat just isn't the fact idea. takes root nato . that's not going to be good to ukraine. is it a little our talking point is that you create and can still be in this. so the discussions do we have the seems to be in contrast to nato countries. russia has been busy transforming it's economy into a war economy. it's turning out there are munition and advanced weaponry, some of which is not so far, appearing on the battlefield. does that not suggest to you that russia is preparing for a much bigger conflict? the, let's say that coming up to about me see that all the resources. so for rush, i'm on for so. so the russian federation imprinted but going good. what's

your crate? so if you look at the situation currently along all at borders, there is not much, there are some military power available for the, from, from the russian side. so that's, that's the goal with no. so the question is, if the, if it takes for russian so wrong, and it's sold, paying for it to try and do the feet, feel great. and then the question is, how would it, how would that i shot before? i'm against the risk, which is much more advanced. i'm not sure that would go well the conflict potential inflict would go out in the ocean the favor. of course, we have to make sure that the know a site, the proper resources, clients, equipment available, nomination stokes audit the, let's say needed 11. i would say best is, of course, if the war stops in the rush or the active face of the conflict,

the stop so we can buy the light or it least would be, it needs to be very painful. what full russian economy to come out of this war that going on a moment. that would be very interesting to watch, so they would keep producing. and from that point along, if we take away the racial, michelle, having, you know, crane from that point on that, that's a growth of progression. we thought a, these then speeding up, i would say, ukraine's president of the landscape has taken his what he calls his victory plan to washington to run it past the americans. he said it's a plan to strengthen ukraine and force russia to the negotiating table. is you claim able to do that in your view for russia to the negotiating table? i haven't seen the victoria plan again. currently, all you do not see any reason from russian side to negotiate anything uh,

syncs again the, let's say the best thing you'd weakness of best invites further escalation from device on site is not just perceived. it is weak and it says that it's weight based on division in the way, i think we are actually a much stronger if we would be more of a link to let's say play out this strength. and again, the other point is that, well what, what is, what are you waiting for? what's, what's the west waiting for? know, well, uh, i mean i've been enough cookies and enough warnings. we are pushing the rest and allies to and not only be older, diamonds and daily daily book. and the, this is the basis evasion. but again, i, i see some movement. so i'm not that pessimistic and all that on. but that base in a book they have to point to one of the points in the presidency landscapes.

victory plan is that he wants further security guarantees that we'll, that'd be worth the paper. the risk not even if he gets them. the beauty pass memorandum, which was supposed to uh, secure uh, ukraine's future when he gave up it's nuclear weapons in 1994 hasn't done so well for them as it, particularly since it was uh guaranteed both by russia and america. so visa bought to bring them fast to data, which would be the proper notice if you were to go on the malware view. is ukraine going on when not at the moment, does it nothing less? the west gets its act together and gives it the weapons. is it so kind of with no battle. uh we have to think joe, what, what is it duration shop? what if it got a in europe and the inability of russia? let's say bins. and the said in this case, induct basically with the victorious self confident,

the ratio which would the make photo long calculations based on the new situation, we would have a huge pro. well, for if we choose problem, ukraine, if let's say if i shop would take over the country and one for one other. and we would have a situation where the ukraine of resources would it would be totally against of us, by the russians. about what keeps you awake at night when we are looking day and night to let's say prevent that from happening. how long? well, for us this is existing show the issue. we understand. so they cannot be tired of tweak that. all right, couple of really soon. it's good to have you on the program. thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much for having the

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