least the best best as china saw september 27th on dw, the as the warning ukraine brings ever more death and destruction. key european officials fair moscow is now preparing for conflict with the west. i guess this week goes along with that view. these coco rosen heads of his stony as intelligence service, but he still believes russia to moves our task, being the best to be, to make sure that the russia comes out of this conflict as a weekend. the polar. so how united is the west, and how vital is it that you crane gets the weapons? it's one proper road. welcome to comfort zone. the john. in your view,

how long does the west have before it might or might have to fight to war with russia? the of course i have to say that we don't really truck at the development see the best. the question is, the answer to that question is it should be as long as the partial is defeated, i don't know. and i think this is a mission which is opposite, oakley possible, the conduct, or you say that, but in your intelligence reports in february, you said that the military confrontation with the west, russia was preparing for that. and that could happen within 10 years. but there are other people, other officials in europe, poor sure thing, that timeline in july, the chief of the general staff of the british army general roney woke of one. but they so had 3 to 5 years to prepare for war with what he called them access

about people. that's russia, china, north korea. and if we're on, do you agree with that? oh okay, so for me to understand the question, but the point is that the time line when the time the space of what we have on our disposal before the potential conflict with russia, the 1st uh, there are several factors now in, in the pipeline low cost for us, we have to make sure that this potentially event doesn't happen at the corner. so the 1st be placed on is a home with us, the contract, the new crane, and that really determine the future of bath. yeah. or for russia, who's that risk? so in, in this, this issue, if you have a situation after the, let's say ukraine rush of war,

we had to rush out images from that as a be kentoria is very self confident power. if we make or calculations and based on the, the new situation, then our task being the best should be to make sure that russia comes out of this conflict as a beacon polar which or who might be then as ordering some of the internal programs, which would probably or run into if there is a russian defeat in, in the contract and i think point they would not your wife russian defeat. but the 2nd question is, how long it takes to watch and store it close to do it or generate a force as we have to keep in mind that. and i would like to talk about the notion reconstitution. i would like to name the issue and maybe russian 1st generation or

russian forces development may have to keep in mind that there are some on forces today are set on 100000 mind bigger than it was before the before launching the launch gave invasion. and that this has the capability to spot the device keeps generating forces to generate additional manpower uh, wanting it to be got to be got programs to meet the general, i think, but coding today are on tech. and with that, and or of course, i'm a nation production and agreement to the production with the order refurbishment and production with the items. also, we know you know what the actual we have. i want to come on and deal with some of those issues in, in detail. but this month's newspaper reports you talk about. russia needs to be weaker if, if the west is to avoid a boy much weak from its will with ukraine. this month's newspaper report say russia had already received more than 200 ballistic missiles from iran at

a port on the s b and c. and there was a risk of it more would be provided. if that was miss oz, keep coming from iran and from other members of that so called access to about people, russia isn't going to emerge week a is coming much, much stronger, isn't that if this trend continues to the russian. so kind of to try and to boost up. it's made it 30 strength that or and of course, based on that made that his drink, they are conducting graduation on wolf a, be the ukraine. so all the task is to make sure that the at 3 showed the ratio is easy, not beneficial, but the mom buddies beneficial on the for opponent print it is also i would assess that the russia cannot keep this position rate up for coming. yes and yes, so we have to make sure that the ukrainians have the power to treat the russians as

as much as possible. and the question is, how do we know it's a deal with that? why sion, the intention bought resolve the ukraine, and these are me, read the rest again, the main task. what about the after the sort of, before it comes to any but page, i'm going to take the dream, the nato and russia is to make sure that, that ukraine emerges as, as a, as a big let's say, as being part of this is going to make people start, but it doesn't look like that at the moment. does it? it doesn't look like it's winning. it's, it's, it's suffering steady loss is on the eastern front. nevermind the fact that it's advance its own forces into the caustic region inside russia. but it's not doing well on the eastern front of toilers. it is a, i think situation is very difficult, but i wouldn't say that the russians are, let's say, doing great. the item that i show is probably a lot of would like to do is to treat the crating on part as much as possible.

possibly. so don't bring up front would collapse, but i don't see that happening any time. sure. so, and i'm not sure either. you have to rush, i was have a clear big story strategy also. and i'm not sure they have that very, very clearly defined. they have at the end of public reports of, you know, what they want to look at based on what they say. but in the reality it's something they kind of what the chief of all i would say. do you think mr posey was a wall with the west? uh, i think he respects and they thought, but this also again, we have to make sure that this respect continues over the coming. yes. and then it comes to all apart then. how well or be prepared, how would our our plans for the eastern plank. uh,

so you're saying he'd like to have a boy if he can get away with it, is that too? if he has the feeling that he gets away and nothing happens to him, he comes out clean and then it might run into the calculations. but i would say if i come back to ukraine, rush us advice, and then let's say even if it comes to the situation where there wouldn't be negotiations between the russia and maybe ukrainians. but i want to assess that that i shall scroll, likely, likely only would like to talk to the americans only over the heads of your opinions. and they would also like to discuss the not donio crane, but also the broad executed the, the secuity architecture. so what they call in but be used to push nato capabilities and activities as far as possible from the ocean folder and based and create a new situation on the ground. a based on that. and then again,

calculate for what the truck from the moment and this type of discussion. all leslie is very, is the things that i see if it comes to the agenda. okay, sweet o. o. m, you talked about the need for, for nato to up it's game. how much space do you have in the alliance? at the moment i ask, because 2 years ago, your former prime minister kind of call us, was highly critical of nato's plans to defend the baltic states. she said they would have resulted in a stony, a big white off the map has made so up to its game where it's planning is concerned . how does it, how does it come up with a upon like value in the 1st place? and i don't know how it came up with a plan like this, but i have the feeling that the was pretty hopeless, wasn't that then it was definitely not beneficial for us. but i would say, as far as i know, the plans have changed in that regard. the and, but it's a constant book. now, of course,

a new stop of discussion. we may talk between nato allies or different allies of different view points, which is the oldest under, but it's a beauty of the last, but i think we are on the right track. most of the companies understand the threat about that, i suppose is also made and long term. and there is a general understanding that we have to be prepared or we have to be prepared to protect those simple defend dollars. so what about the troops that kind of call us one to the nato choose between 20 and 25000 to be based in estonia, as that happened when it happened. and the that's probably the question more for chief of defense. how many troops are needed here? and we see when public saying that it is, it hasn't happened and she needed it to happen. and the last reports we have had saying that it hasn't happened. so i started putting the question to you. absolutely. because i think the question here is about the what you want. it's all

designated for, let's say a reinforcement, the re, again, the concrete numbers. so more in the defense force us a domain. but over the question is, how many totes you have for what the pro, it's in the piece time. uh, beach must be also manage. evan, both in training get is an economically and what is probably important for us is that the we have already made. the troops designate that for potential for along the reinforcements reached. and it would be launched in after appropriate or early warning that he's given. so what's here on? so do you have enough troops or not at the moment to repel, to repel a russian advance should. that'd be one. i think we would view up, but we would give a good fight to the russians and then hopefully reinstall reinforcements with the right rapidly according to the plants. and do you have

a cost on guarantee that move in so that the countries, the members of nato will fight side by side with you if you are attacked. uh, i'm pretty confident in that, but again, the small print is it, it's not even article 5. yeah, but the it, so the question is i'll alternate the defense plants which are going to develop and it's a ongoing, but that's what is and we've been talking about a possible will with russia, but in the sense it's already begun. how soon to talk. if you could talk to me a little bit about the sabotage operations that have the kremlin fingerprints on them, not just getting started here, but elsewhere in europe is this, is this a growing trend? well, it is a total of what our show fix it can use against the rest in order to disrupt us to bring tension in dollars. so saw this uh, rochelle probably helps that to be relying on the all the good 5 with these

activities in this don't. okay. this, we have more than 15 people arrested over the last a year in the connection with the russian. some of the project give me this. it seems that there's a lot of activities conduct that throughout the europe and in the bottom of awesome, etc. it is something serious of a these, these attacks. i would say if i open the door and them case, then they live in the battery slit a lot and we have the incidence of vandalism mutual. and let's say more of this harmless. the dawson though the question is of course, the, let's say the how it develops it has been, it has escalate that they hold is on things that go over the last year. so if this, the revere him of destabilizing your country, or just keeping you on your toes or making people nervous, what of the invention?

it also tries to undermine probably on the mind, the support of the 2 parts to your grade. yeah, it is the disrupt us, it is here to tell you our resource so, so we would pay more attention and though it was internal issues and trying to bypass our attention from the support the to do the gradients. let's talk about ukraine's urgent requests to use long range west of messiahs on targets in russia. your president, our colors port school and on the nato countries that have withheld use of the long range missiles for you, correct? because of fears of escalating, the crisis was the right to do that. you said it was pure self deception and reflected indecision and fear which played into russian hands. if your president is right and nato is becoming and decisive and fearful,

the nato is no longer fit for purpose. is it when i have to aggravate miss my president know in this code and perfect you know some many. if you're looking at the eastern or there are some 7 or other, that's a new federal dimes. what that i show has sometimes successfully installed in the head of the best and most of the 1st and 1st battle dying. but that i shall see all trying to communicate is that the conflict should happen only on the 1030 of the victim, and the address or for whatever reason should be remain untouched. this is the 1st time in the military history. and the 2nd idea of what the issue is that trying to get it to communicate over to take over play to us. is that the right? it is impossible for russia to rules. again, it's not the correct the right size laws, somebody on boards throughout the history is old. i know, but the as of may,

so i'm not persuaded of that. all the other members are showing in his woods in decision and fear of a rush on. so i'll try and do the install this video. so it is of course, a task for us, for the eastern plank gone through is to keep explaining this to all the rest the allies. and i think down the standing is also need to be changing a already and then also in the, in more or less than the concert split the i agree, it has, let's say taken too long time. uh, vote for this change. whether it's an ongoing process, isn't it because your president said i have several countries expressing that does offer a quick diplomatic solution and compromise with russia. and there's a spreading hope that resetting relations with pollutants. russia is possible or even inevitable. you don't believe that. do you well, my life i been, i am convinced that the russian currants,

which he must be defeated strategically. because he, even if we didn't, is partially successful in these objects himself to be assessed that he would continue and print it. but so the warranty knew, crane would be not over and meet me. and if you have a pros and conflict that at some point the something the, something like and so, and they have to also understand the russians are according to themselves. they are in the water already with the collective, the best in their own understanding. so i don't see that many options, because if you talk about the long term quantity, go as an ocean, then the make sure that your brain ends being at the end. but again, i think it this to happen actually if the ukrainians don't get the weapons they need or permission to use the ones they have inside russia. will it be impossible

for them to when i think that one weapon system, the other comes simple example. it's a, that's a long range human size. yes, i think it has to, it has become very symbolic. at this point. i looked at this map on system alone, 1000 and sort of the conflict aboard. but the question is, it's about the, the 40 to go to the board or the, or understanding from russian side the, that they are able to detour us and based on, on data type. luckily they will create as having they will not be their own weapons, which seems to be sometimes more efficient. when i look at what happens in russia, but we've had a ukrainian politician on this program just a week ago saying the west has given us enough weapons to fight, but not enough to win. that's the view coming out of ukraine at the moment. don't

you see where they're coming from? it is hard to argue. little bit with this. it is on a threshold boyfriend, so the at the in the side with more bills and more resource really been. it's a question about property at 3 sion rate for both sides. ukraine meets additional get both addition elimination to make that happen. august the so again, we shouldn't be somehow. we shouldn't. the restrain always setups in digital bought ding your credit with any type of weapon. so i'm a nation they need and i agree that the it has taken to a long time, but as authorization, so they'll be made. but again, i don't see that the cost is lost properly at this point, but there are, there are divisions emerging in europe among very so we have the check president

present pabo saying ukraine needed to be realistic. the most probable outcome of the war would be that russia would hold on to some of the territories. it's captured at least 10 cray. that's pretty defeat just isn't the fact idea. takes root nato. that's not going to be good for ukraine. is it a little our talking point is that you create and can still be in this. so the discussions do we have the seems to be in contrast to nato countries. russia has been busy transforming its economy into a war economy. it's turning out there are munitions and advanced weaponry, some of which is not so far, appearing on the battlefield. does that not suggest to you that russia is preparing for a much bigger conflict? the, let's say that permanently about me see that all the resources. so for rush, i'm on for so, so the russian federation imprinted but boeing good. what's your crate?

so if you look at the situation currently along all up with us, there is not much there are some military power available for the from, from the ocean side. so that's, that's the good news. so based on these, if the, if it takes for restaurants so wrong, and it's so painful to try and do the feet. feel great. and then the question is, how would it, how would that i shot before? i'm against the rest, which is much more advanced. i'm not sure that would go on the conflict, but the jump warranty would go out in the ocean. the favor. of course we have to make sure that the know a site, the proper resources, clients, equipment that made up with nomination, stokes' audit the, let's say needed 11. i would say, breast is, of course, if the war stops in the rest of the active face of the conflict,

the stop. so we know by the light, that is what they need to be very painful. what full russian economy to come, all of this war economy a moment that would be very interesting to watch, so they would keep producing. and from that point, the lawn, if we take away the pre show me show, having you know, cream from that point on that, that's a growth or progression. we thought a, these then speeding up, i would say, ukraine's president zalinski has taken his, but he causes victory planned to washington to run it past the americans. he said it's applying to strength and ukraine and force russia to the negotiating table. is ukraine able to do that in your view for russia to the negotiating table? i haven't seen the victoria plan again. currently, i do not see any reading from russian side. negotiate anything. uh,

since again the lets say the best thing big list of best invites further escalation from device on site is not just received, it is weak and it says that it's weight based on division. in the way, i think we are actually a much stronger if we would be more of a link to let's say, play out this strength. and again, the other point is that, well what, what is, what are you waiting for? what's, what's the west waiting for? the well uh, i mean i've been enough cookies and enough warnings. we are pushing the rest and allies and not only be all the time is of the daily daily book and the, this is the basis a patient. but again i, i see some movement. so i'm not that pessimistic and all that on, but that base as a book they have to point to one of the points in the presidency landscapes.

victory plan is that the ones for the security guarantees that we'll, that'd be worth the paper. the risk not even if he gets them. the beauty pass memorandum, which was supposed to uh, secure uh, ukraine's future when he gave up it's nuclear weapons in 1994 hasn't done so well for them as it, particularly since it was a guaranteed both by russia and america. so the visa board to bring them faster to data, which would be the proper notice if you were to go on to in our view is, is your current going to win? not at the moment, does it nothing less? the west gets its act together and gives it the weapons. is it so kind of with noble. uh, we have to think joe, what would it do? i shouldn't joke, but it did go to in europe and the inability of russia. let's say bins and the said in this case induct basically with that, what would be story us self confident,

the russia, which would the make photo long calculations based on the new situation. we would have a huge role for if we choose problem. ukraine, if let's say, if i show up would take over the country and one for one other. and we would have a situation where the ukraine of resources would, it would be totally against of us, by the russians. and think about what keeps you awake at night when we are looking day and night. do let's say prevent that from happening. how long or well for us this is existing show the issue. we understand. so that kind of be tired of doing that. right. couple of really soon it's good to have you on the program. thank you very much for being with us. thank you very much for having the

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