to see a wide spread races, depression, today, the screen we need to talk about here, the stories, shadows of german colonialism, the violence of more violence and no end in sight. a new phase of the war is being declared by both israel and has the people on both sides are getting a taste of what that looks and feels like. rockets and bones ran down on both sides . hundred's already died 11 and tens of thousands of civilians fled south of the country heading north as well. once vent. so as wells and talks on that come on this on fighters. rigging, pages with explosives is really allegedly killed around a 1000, an engine, and many more that way as the last ones have chosen gaza before it stops 5 in vol codes into israel until the ve fonts is by talking has block positions. so then

thousands of his various can return to the homes of the north without being targeted by has but as roxanne's we on israel versus has block. will that be all 11? welcome to to the point of, introduce you to my panel today. bringing it up on me. it said journalist from lebanon, kristen, health, i'm a journalist analyst on the middle east and daniel doing the journalist for the export for middle east, a daily newspaper, defense here in germany. a little while come to all of you. of course, let's start with you. it is so 11 and becoming the new gaza. well,

although some of the pictures that we see might remind us of what's going on. you guys are, you can not compare the situation. i mean, live on is not the siege, but this way the bundle does not occupied by is right. and if i is way so, and you cannot completely say the time off and just follow the same as well as a lot, a lot more stronger than homeless is. so it's not as if we are heading to a situation similar to god, but god is a core math in a way for israel can it's still kind of loving to become a similar problem. well, i think that could be sort of similar problems, but that depends on how is relax. now, what we're hearing these days is that as well as preparing for ground defensive and loving them, i'm not quite sure this is really an eminence scenario, but it is a possibility. and if it is a little goes in that direction, it's might find itself in a clock maya,

and up and on because that scenario is really so which is moving in and a starting i do really wolf at on these trips. that's what has been a lot has been preparing for during the past. yes, that's what physical is looking for. well, he to the, for many lebanese, this already feels like, like, well, what will be the difference? will it make a difference? i mean, of course we can always get much worse, but at the moment, do right, i mean nobody's calling to find out was what it is for that war. i mean, and one day we, so that's, so monday, when it's available, embody the south of lebanon, saying that it's attacking, get artillery, you know, of his vala and other places of lebanon. we so over 500 people dying that's and one day and this is, you know, we haven't seen that and 11 and 40 years since the end of the civil war in the 1990 . this is my as of amount of casualties to fall in one day. um, so yeah, for

a lot of live in use, it does feel, or we seen that a piece of pictures of this whole x or this of people from the south. hundreds of thousands of people are leaving their homes, going to where i mean they don't have shelters, like in, in is the visitor and they don't have anyone else you know, to go to like innovative as well. but just going a lot of them are, you know, setting up the tents on the streets and sleeping on the streets. and also the difference is we don't have a space 11 in strong states that can afford, you know, give them i've done at the best of open some schools to them. and this means that they have to delay the opening of the schools. kids were supposed to go back to school this week, so it's really, it's whole humanitarian disaster and not just for the people of the south, for flooding and has a ripple effect that goes to all. exactly. i mean, a lot of those, you know, the population, the, the, she, how population, the self government is now going to scenarios on christian areas. and this is already created some extensions between the people because, you know,

i'm like in the 2006 where a lot of lebanese were showing support extreme support to the people of the south. now it's really not the same anymore. and maybe there's one more apparel on because i feel that is what it is. as they did in gauze, it's only for seeing a military solution without really having a political strategy behind it. so this is one big parent a little bit this government of probably me to send it to now is really aiming at finishing with their enemies on the military with military means which is not paying off because organizations like homeless as well or not to be finished off only militarily, that needs to be a political strategy to deal with them. so that's one big pamela that i've seen were gonna come to the difference between these, these 2 organizations in a moment. but 1st, the one i have a closer look at has values state within as states, including social welfare and a health system. oh, is it just a total organization? the pol friends into ron has with off fits both descriptions day after the hum

mazda turbo tax and the 7th of october, as well as the opposite 5 and walk us on it as well. but one of those has below oh, really? so let's have a closer look. the so called positive gold was founded in lebanon in 1982 by a group of she, i clucks to fight against israel's invasion. today, his bullet also has seats in the lebanese parliament and functions as a defective government and thoughts of the country running schools and hospitals. his brother stated goals remained the destruction of his route and the expulsion of western powers from lebanon. his brother receives hundreds of millions of dollars yearly from iran, which also supports the organization with training and weapons. many experts say that his bullet is one of the most heavily armed militant groups and the weld. according to is rarely estimates the group has around $150000.00 bro kits. and it could have as many as 100000 scientists vouchers, least as what has bought

a lead to pass on. the strong claims experts have estimated the number is low. how much has this bullet been weakened? yeah, a question i'd like to pass on directly how much, how we could is just a bit. a good question when we are seeing has been a lot firing rockets at israel and even threatening as well. population centers such as to the be yesterday with one messiah. but to me that still doesn't indicate that to isabel is at its full capacity. because these rockets launches back something they have been preparing for a year. is that something you only need to push a button for? the question really is, how much did the pedro attacks and the walkie talkie attacks of last week? how much have they actually failed to come on? structures within his butler, this is watch remains to be seen. i think they could have fram, this come on,

structures considerably. think about 3000 attacks that were conducted through page a on voltage ok explosions. think of an organization. well, probably about 20000 people are actually fighting. so 322-0000. that's a considerable damage these pager attacks. i'd like to talk about them. there was some dispute about whether they was strictly speaking legal as well. it's ongoing things and legal dispute internationally. i mean, is right in rightfully claims that it was very targeted and in comparison to any major rocket fire or tax like that. and guys that they didn't had hits too many civilians and it was a targeted attack against his full of fighters interest by members. at the same time, these been on the weapons, the, the communication devices that could be anywhere, could be in the supermarket and hospitals at home at the living room of these

people, things isn't yes. so the point is that the idea of these attacks was at the same time attacking and targeting his ball at the same time as by creating a state of taro. and i think people in the know they feel really terrorized by whatever critics do next. i mean, this feeling is now being felt by a lot of people invite the civilian population at the same time. and we have to, i was a little of the talk by the discourse, especially in germany because people would really celebrate these attacks. as you know, um, so smart and surgical and saying that, you know, whoever carries the page or is a legitimate target. and i would argue that, you know, nurse or a teacher and one of the schools or hospitals would not be in the didn't the target . so we have 2 different said, it was well calculated, that would be civilian casualties. so this is why it's disputed international. i mean, what are you hearing a how we can is has, has it has but right now by these attacks. and is this feeling of terror? i really premier agent society level. i don't know if it's we can to because um,

as then you just said they still have a big cost. the middle of buckets of missiles of you know, that they haven't used yet. i mean, they tried a couple of days ago to, to one of them to tell of eve and you know, that didn't get there, but they still do have a lot of what induced that they can use. but i think the major issue now as well as a, is a trust issue, a trust within the husband law itself, the organization itself, because it's obviously been infiltrated on a fairly high level of visit, or at least have to mazda of the amount of information on his by lot, that means the after the pages attack on the walks, ok, that's they talk to a blonds, it leads to say lead to nest of hezbollah. that's. and they can one very, you know, you know, very importantly, those, okay, they did attack them, they did have those information and they did attack them in a building that was for the kids and for the other civilians at. but this also

shows that is there it is willing to go that far as it does not care about the certificate of casualties and is really going after his bottle of so now as well as also has a trust trust within its own members, but also needs to the game that trust with his own people, because i don't know if that people still trust them anymore. i mean, as well as always, to what that people uh, best to me purchase uh, best supporters, the shop population in da here in the south of the route and also in the south 11. and they've always told them we'd here to support you. you know, we can go back to homes after the 2006 for a full them. if i knew that this is was going to cause oldest destruction, i wouldn't have taken kids enough. those kids is a, the soldiers. and since then the people so that they're going to go to the south city, but instead of houses and be safe. but we discovered that this is not sooner what's happening and he can even also meet up with her and the report. the hezbollah has those hospitals, but those hospitals went even enough to look after that was when did this from the

pages attack? i mean, they were bringing the, the people what injured to the hospital. so that might have continued varsity alls present. and they lived. and the other hospitals and christian areas and so on, so or not as well or needs to i don't know what it needs to do, but it does definitely has a trust issue amongst its supporter and definitely amongst itself in the organization then. absolutely, i mean, all of the only thing i would add to that is uh, the bombing of dia, the very quota of a root, which is his ballade stronghold. when i talk to people close to him on the, in the past few months, asking them what would be the red line flexible. they all told me the red line will be if this will bottoms dalia. that will be a moment where was his below will be forced up by the she a outrage of its members to respond in full force. and that's not what we see

at the moment, as well as not using its full force and responds instead. also, when a check of was estimated the, you know, the 1st time i don't think leaders that this really is assessing data. and also his bullet doesn't respond. does not mean that you can argue that it, on its main sponsor and create or doesn't want to, to respond to, you know, in a way that they will bring the whole region to war. but this is making his beloved, definitely lose trust amongst us on support. assembly with seeing the red line moving upwards again and again. and again, that entails the risk off of things spiraling out of control at some point. the same time, all these leaders can be replaced and all the fighters can be replaced. the question is how effective the strategy be to go on the go me to terminate against a full well, i really tries to connect the whole fight now to goes on to the war and gather that it says has to and for them to stop sending rockets while at the same time what the is reading of them is trying to do is to disconnect the 2 subjects. well, they're really trying to do is to put so much pressure on his bullet for them to re

finally to withdraw to north of the tiny river 30 kilometers away from the border by only giving them you know, this the stump, something beautiful and stuffing the, the hiring this, bringing it in this position to no longer act for a demand. the ceasefire for guys, which is this is really the calculation because of what you're looking at and how wants is really wants to finish off. he wants to stop this flight from the north, no matter what's going on, because he wants to separate the 2 issues. and this is exactly what his bullet has been trying to avoid. they want to connect it because it's, they a fight. i mean, they're saying it's kind of that fight it twice to make it like this, i think, is real, controlling the timing, at least with these page or attacks and, and has blog now is on the back foot and has to react. so is, is this a, a rehabilitation of the security forces of the as well and be, is this a successful from these really point of view, a successful strategy?

well, that's a very interesting point, and that's also a point where i would slightly with proceed. but there are reports as wanting a very plausible report to me, which might be based on is really intelligent sources which came out drive off to the pedro attacks, which basically said these pedro attack some multi toki attacks well, actually devised. i'm planned for the case from all tool to be the 1st step in them all out will in order to destroy the communications and come on structures of football. now we didn't actually want to do with now, but we, we have forced to do it because of these preparations. we're close to be a, does this call the it's by his button. and that's why we had to do it now. and i think that's more, less credible because a, it is an excellent preparation for a phone imminent war. but we're not seeing the israel leading this war in full

force. now this is not the foot force, $500.00 is dying, get one, no full, full and dumping killing civilians. i was telling you, you know, the place where the best trouble as old a flock is most unfortunately, i have to say it is not the worst thing that could happen. it is a good sense and that's, you know, it was. but we could also see carpet bombings and the yet we could see the south africa. absolutely. so you know what kinda happened and i'm not saying that what is happening now is good. but i think it's not yet the worst case scenario that we see. and those pedro attacks where preparation for the worst case scenarios . so yes, as well as trying to instrumental law and stuff as a victory for its own security operators whose ability has been called into question likely. um, but i'm not sure as hell calculated that stuff. step of escalation is an i think,

and then i'll be send it and then i'll be finished. and i think the biggest problem on the is really side here is that, that moving closer to an extremely dangerous and brutal without actually having a plan. and then it will actually go in a medium run, i think so the, the extra strategy is not so much the problem that in here i would differ with you . i think in lebanon, there is a clear goal that can hardly be achieved with um, with uh, political means as well. a be young, the imminent question of israel, the citizens moving back into the north of the country. and in order to facilitate that and make that possible to move his ball away from the boulder, i think the more essential the security interest of is a visa v. as a butler is destroying it's miss our capability. well, this is will then come to the for the cool security dilemma of the region.

it's, excuse me for interrupting them. very interesting discussion, but let's have a look at the other side. let's have a look at these well for a moment because of israel. the reason escalation does create a dangerous a 2nd front in his fight against as many sworn enemies. but as well seems oblivious to the risk even seems to be seeking the confrontation at all costs. the explosives planted in his, the member's pages and rookie true keys, presumably by his ready intelligence, followed by extensive strikes. it seems that israel has done to the new phase and its conflict with his paula prime minister. netanyahu has declined that the god of the will is the safe for tenants is ready residence. 60000 israelis have had to leave the homes. israel wants to forces paula to withdraw from the border areas to the north side of the village county river. let me show that to those who have not

yet understood. phil, i want to clarify is rose policy and we do not wait for threats. we anticipate it any way in any arena. at any time we eliminate senior officials, we eliminate terrorism, we eliminate missiles, and there's more to come down on it to you. but it's still unclear whether the strategy will walk to the people in the countries know of the intensification of the conflict as having far reaching consequences. street, serenity and hospitality has been evacuated and yet it isn't such. and if his father were given, despite the heavy blows dealt with leadership, could levin on also be facing the threat to the ground defensive yeah, let's pick a broadband of can this whole operation be successful with the other one offensive? well, the ground defensive as something that done now in the past, always one is to avoid basically looking back at the history of the occupation is a little bit off campus occupation solved living then and how they're withdrawn in

2000 was leading to a major victory for his bullet, that was basically the basic, they was celebrated to see what's going over the region. so i think it's something that they want to avoid unless they feel they really have to go in to destroy all these military facilities in the south. as well as waiting for the bed for that for them, it would be the fight that they have been preparing for and waiting for for a long time. so from that calculation, this would be a wrong step. the whole question is whether you can really force as bullet to not, you know, attack, they consider themselves to be defending. the been known to be a resistance movement that a part of the excess of resistance. so in the end, everything will be settled on food and diplomatic means, i mean, and then they will sit down and it will be requesting this how to implement the resolution as 17. 0 one. but it forces isabella to withdrawal, who could take over in the south and live on this has, is not possible because of the week lebanese government that's true. but in this facility, interest, the military means you can never rain in these organizations. so the bigger picture

here is that is what it is when it has an alternative. i would argue it had, it could have partners in the region to control and to confront iran, which is the very back of all these fits from one. is there any point of view, but this government natania is not calculated and act as he wants to stay in power? he has to do what his radical partner says ready to come in. this does miss janik ministers asked him to do, which is actually pined garza which is annexation of us. so what he needs to do is to form a coalition with the west, with the region, with country like so the over a couple of the united arab emirates, which is something that was on the table now for months, is from the bye, didn't administration. this is what everybody has been working on, whereas this is for any government is refusing to walk down that diplomatic world. i would like to come back to what you mentioned, the lebanese government. i mean, it was only talking about has, but i, we never talking about 11 and as a, as a country and, and is government. what can the lebanese government do, or is it to, into twined with has the, the lebanese government at the moment as a caretaker,

government, so even government, we don't have a president's. i mean, this is the major issue. and 11 on the week of the states becomes the stronger his bottom up become so on like in 2006. when you know the word is the last one month and ended up with a better solution. 171. we had strong government done for us and, you know, as you know, very vocal and to, as you know, the international community trusted us and we have the support of the out of countries as well as the gods countries chucked a lot of money 11. and for construction efforts, the saudis put money into the central bank to stabilize the economy of but since then a lot of this change now $11.00 is isolated on the, on an, at a big level because of as well as the fetus in the region. since then, i mean it's interfering since midland, getting them and supporting the who sees the defense media in syria. i mean, they've been, you know, sided with the shadow of a sudden kidding over syrian who are post of a shuttle. i said, and this has caused, you know,

a lot of the people to not support has been the moment. and the fact that the lebanese governments now is the kids take of government and his week by the finish . and of course, it makes everything worse to feel like, you know, there is no one in charge of lebanon and test bullet holes and has been holding the, you know, the decisions of peace and war in his end, against the will of most of them. and he's at the moment, but you know, and we don't see and that's thrown it is like we have been silent as well. a lot of the news have been, fedex has been the, we do not want to be involved in this. there's the 8th of october, which is what i've decided to start finding rockets with israel, despite the lives of everyone else in the country. you know, and now we're at this point and the government is specialized through this. so how can i, how can we put a stop to all this is the reason of the initiative this, this joint declaration that we've just seen this week, this step in the right direction and whether it, whether it have any effect. yeah, i think it is

a step in the right direction. this us sponsored initiative that both france uh, the okay and also gemini, uh, supporting um. and we're actually seeing why the coverage, any reactions to that from israel, placed on the done on those rules you on best. so the concept that as well as looking for a diplomatic solution, we might not take these statements at face value, but as you know, don't need along the way she usually presents himself to the public as a finer brand to plymouth. i think it's meaningful that you react in that way. and i think the reason for that is 1st of all that as well knows about the cost of going into old out what wasn't ground defensive. and secondly, i think that's like most policies in the middle east. israel would like to know who is going to ruled in the white house before the next 4 years before make j another

major pathogens and major steps, right? we have one minute left very briefly. you think this crisis and a lot more that can be avoided very briefly. i think it can be avoided and i feel is right. it would have an alternative that with this government is not very viable . so i'm afraid that the whole guy's point will only come to an end when we see the results of the american electrons. it needs to stop what it started in gaza. nathaniel has to accept that he has done the work and does on the front of students to have their own state find that they must all of the say that this, this for stops, we would stop. i think it can be avoided by this, but the security dilemma spell that poses with israel on the other side. that's where we may. thank you very much to my panel. that's it for today from a to the point. if you watch sites on the youtube, please make sure to leave us. you'll comment down here in the comments section.

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