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as wells posit, capitals, teller, these focus on one here as well, how most will starts october 5th, on dw, the more than 1100 homes have been destroyed and the worst wildfire is to have the country in a decade. well, the 20000 people have been displaced by plugging 2023 was the hottest here on record. except the future definitely scares me. we're pushing to go infinitely higher, faster, further, smid. and this is why we're here with the lumen climate catastrophe that's coming. ever closer to and then taking humanity into a new age of hot temperatures. i'd like to skip lower to the there are
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people who spread a sense of panic and was in my view. they immediately offer a solution and say that this is our only hope. i think if we preach a culture of this will lose people's acceptance at times to make some friends family head committee. don't find that even though i've seen the effects of climate change with my own, i think you'd better get that some needed to be someone else. i can uh some other a droughts everywhere smoking by now and we can feel the earth getting progressively warmer. but again, we're also observing a rise in sea levels and loud insight as the way i'm personally feeling climate change is that it's unusually hot at the moment. what yes i see, but i might not, but i was doing more damage in the us or them. lastly, to but we're the ones suffering the most as a consequence, but i got the more on or who's to blame for climate change. who should be finding
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in the face of total political failure in response to the climate catastrophe the sum item most, we all need to realize that we're in a state of emergency and we need to act accordingly, inspection 100 unless the stand up, i have to go to work. i have to earn money and not to sit around like you will hear what the hell talk you do this another time and you start filling me. you do you know it again? yeah. it directly confronts people with the climate catastrophe at that moment. and of course,
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that makes them angry stuff. it's like they're angry that their everyday lives are being disrupted. just help like my pulse goes up to 180. it's the same with every protest. no matter how often you do it, you never quite feel safe mitsubishi, you just never know if this might be the times. you know, someone just slammed her foot on the gas aspect. what i mean, the, the button don't know that we wait until the police come before we do ourselves to the road. if we do it any sooner, that could be risky because the passers by and motorists could become violent and might decide to pull this off by force. anya is with the last generation international movement that's been active since 20 any one. it aims to draw attention to the urgent need for greater climate protections by,
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among other things, throwing paint at buildings and a facing works of art, but also by super cooling themselves to as mold and blocking airports and roads. there's been goods that's just a game fund dimensionally against using illegal methods for political purposes all by and deem products such, in this case it particularly founder because climate change and the fight against it along to make huge demands on compo, hawkins, he tends to be active is trying to convince the public by reducing the agency, preventing commuters from getting to work out for stopping parents from taking the kids to school. sick people from getting to the don't to target by doing this, the public will not accept your position. is it kind of active tons is low, but that in my view, quite upon from the fact that the protests, he's on the traffic jams release even more c o 2. so, but it was mean we progress and you foster on the climate change issue from
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a lot on the country im getting tied up on on the onboard via my name is task. my name's thorsten al slaven. i'm 52 years old and i c o noise of the initiative, new central market economies. i think an economic think tank that's funded by the metal and electrical industry. i look with ease of a launch and a medium sized metal and electrical companies to be what they call make us, for example, to automotive supplies and boss, siemens, the old metal industry. as a stinker desk, i think almost all companies have the issue of climate change on the radar and all doing a lot of money and whether it will be enough. and i'm a think he might, instead of going to say, i'm from best buy since industrialization took off in the mid 19th century, humans had burned huge volumes of coal, oil, and natural gas, and caused a massive deforestation or pumping 2.5 trillion tons of carbon dioxide into the
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atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases. this has resulted among other things in a rise in global temperatures. the melting of the polar ice caps and glaciers, and more frequent extreme weather events such as droughts, storms, and floods. the she is a visa, tracy, so far as the things we predicted many years ago have essentially materialized what it is. and in this respect, if things continue on this trajectory and signs are that they will, he will have to reckon with a considerable deterioration of the basis for life on our planet. going down the date and don't have the perfect excuse for which the message i want to get across is that we're in a serious, urgent situation. so, but at the same time that it's not too late and, and said, all of us together can still turn things around. it is some kind of the
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name. most of the day i've had the death, almost every day, one of us is arrested. and one of my friends taken to the police station, i would go to the island. uh good. yeah. as i say um i work as hard as a very hard ask and the downs i uh cut down mangrove trees. i you because then i go by on the mall. oh, more to pick up right up and i meant to put them on like a 138 and i work as a day labor like the things to got married and have 4 children think we live in a wheel change address. we are getting that. yeah. the of the was i yeah,
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i earn my living by are the mangroves there where i earn money from my wife and children. a model luggage. i mean i law law that applies to me is but also to my friends who are illegal loggers as well. yeah. but, but that would be happening like the trees in a rain forest. mangroves are particularly important plants for planet or their home to numerous marine animals and central for coastal protection of the around 147000 square kilometers that still exist worldwide most to grow in indonesia and brazil. and indonesia. however, and especially large number of mangroves have been destroyed in recent decades, a bit or loss for the stability of the global climate per square kilometer mangroves absorber and store around 4 times as much c o 2 as rain forests.
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and i get that what you see between me, you see me get that over here. and here we'll find dense mangrove for us that are flourishing, that we must protect together. and they do a buyout. if we run into longer is what should we do? the doing right now, let's say i'm thinking my name is tell 60 day you have to and i'm 24 years old. got a good right now. i'm working for your company on the coastal protection organization in indonesia lane that i'm active in environmental protection. okay. i'm following up with the brother at the coming month. what i fear most of is that the resilience of coastal areas will be a road it by the loss of the main gross fantasyland. yeah, the local actually, retail has already experience tsunamis and game what happens when the main groups are gone. and there's another one, i mean, i think i'm a little longer if you need to add that then. so now me essentially that's one of
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my concerns. and when you decide from climate change itself, which is making itself felt everywhere in the form of drowns of heat when that packet that i found that it will continue to destroy more and more marine life. and then that, that'd be i would be something that's having a negative impact on the local economy and coastal ridges iphone. oh me much. i'd have to do that. and the yeah, because that's the only sign of setting that we never were on patrol. we often run into lockers in our area and we're getting a justification is always the same from what they're doing it because of their families and their economic situation. a lot of that which forces them to make a living in this way. and when, what, when i got to get out the box, i have to smoke ok. and then they ask whether the actions really are so destructive
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. uh, do me some lovely like we have the young style and i'm noticing a lack of sensitivity and knowledge regarding the importance of protecting the environment and get it going from then that would be that though. yeah, i'm aware of the consequences of logging and not the data, but i'm doing it because there's no other works here. i've got no choice that i've done so, but not in the site as a companion. i wish i had my own fishing boat turner livings that i would instead of logging mangrove trees that any by cutting down trees is risky. already beat them with them that you can be hit by an axe or bitten by a snake. louder. yeah, the
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uh, than and then yeah, logging all these mangroves means there is you are see life by less fish and see for the defying in the water. and i need someone to put on the dead. if somebody can, somebody say i'm glad data, but idea and everything i've heard about climate change is also true. in the mind. you have to add a negative stuff that i'm saying. and then then have realized that i have to do small things. and then i can make a difference so, so that we adapt to climate change ourselves. and i see that hand up for remind if it doesn't mean you know, the truck that comes into the stuff that the one thing i knew that the moment whenever i've asked myself, why are you doing this right now? so it's because we still have room to maneuver, it's not too late and it won't be too late and 10 minutes time either suspense,
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because every 10th of a degree that the earth doesn't speed up. basically, states even lives above mentioned the 5th it is, i won't get a follow entirely. no. i'm going to put my hand under your nose and it's going to hurt. okay. hasn't been yeah. you months? if someone tells me for example, it won't be that bad. then of course, i try to argue the case using facts. i tell them that the german drinking water supply is also under threat in the long term. long also that are agricultural models simply won't work anymore. that this will lead to resource scarcity and massive societal of people who move in the north. we shouldn't be presenting climate change to people as a terrifying spec to call that have already been plenty of surprising innovation that have resulted in a clear improvements off to it. so based on so maybe maybe we'll find something that sequester c o 2 installs it much more effectively than today. and that would
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mean we could keep all the coal fired power plants running into it because they wouldn't be releasing c o soon to be. i must be, i don't know yet once around the corner of americans, the spice is quite honest. we couldn't, we cannot go on like this in canada, and that's why we blocked roads. for example, here in germany, in particular, it was a dodge, done as a nation of the global north that's also affected by climate catastrophes, but nowhere near as dramatically as a nation's of the global sound. then the supervisor, just the 1st column would be data for the house shipped by and how to speak to someone. you know me an answer to the question of who's responsible for climate change. of course it's a shared responsibility. somebody can exploit if you look at it globally and go by several nations in the north where the biggest polluters, because of their emissions and their industry and new bum uh, industry of the machine and ship them side as extinguish. well, i do think that the industrialized countries in general,
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barras special responsibility. unfortunately, they have profited from a c o 2 emissions and stuff. i didn't care much about climate change into my mind, even though i do believe that we have lived at the expense of the climate yet. so last, liskey musket leap top for a long time industrialized countries such as the us, russia and the nations of europe have admitted the most greenhouse gases. however, the largest annual emissions now come from china. while india, the world's most populous nation, is now in 3rd place. many of the world's poor nations, on the african continent, for example, contribute the least to climate change bus. they are the most heavily impacted by its consequences. lemme changes the new frontier of social inequalities at let me change that already happen at the global level. has it full countries? honda then hines countries,
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but it's also true within countries. and we also have a lot of evidence of studies of research that shows that the pull i, or disproportionately affected by the effects of climate change, be it what the stress be. it extreme weather events of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods the other part of the story is that of the better of they are a little more protected that we've just said, but they actually contribute more. so it's a kind of a mirror, any quality or this. does it think of symmetry here? you contribute more to the problem and you are affected less what applies to nations applies to individuals to whereas the annual carbon footprint per kenyon is just 500 kilograms on average. in indonesia, it's around 2 and a half tons per person, and almost 8 tons in germany. however, it's the world,
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the wealthiest people who produce the most greenhouse gases by a large margin, multi millionaires and billionaires. yeah, the sale, myra, and then not. as of course, i'm angry about the fact that germany is one of the countries that so far as admitted $4.00 to $5.00 times more greenhouse gas has been indonesia. and then by the end of this year, not by donasia is a developing countries any get by the introduction and then either from but we're severely impacted by the effects of greenhouse gas emissions and the global north. and i'm again, it's not, i don't remember when did you put new buttons that are beside the side of that and those who are more powerful than we are and where are they? do we see them as the know the are just exploiting resources? who's doing more damage? us for them? yeah, we're the ones suffering. the consequences caught me. i mean, but i guess i did it to me on this. i do struggle with my own diligence come because i was born in germany in the global north and by contributing so much
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more to the problems of medicine by but even my own personal lifestyle as many times more destructive than that of a person living in nigeria for example, idea of one, but i'm not going to this 5. yeah, but this guy, and then i'm going to type of what do you mean by that? so as can assume that if i saw some guy says he didn't get them up unix and i was funny. i have internalized the pain and suffering in the world to such an extent that i actually considered taking my own writing. so name is the best movie i try to live as best i can by not fine by eating a beacon diet and should be gone. i don't have a driver's license, i don't own a car and stuff i don't need one is i think a cultural change in values is necessary so that you don't define ourselves by who flew on vacation, where, how and when the district is holding life, just don't think that morally shaming people, if they take an airplane, is the right way to go. because the bottom line is that it won't solve the problem
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. that's completely forgotten. so this would help the global climate time to come back to my underscore host. haven't any that and that i'm again with that i, am we my the global northwest, the biggest corporate i then took that what i'm really heading, that is to get what if we're only looking to assign responsibility for the destruction and we'll be wasting time pointing the finger step by side. last year we meeting is action. i don't know at anything the gun team a kind of to go for it in order to effectively help the climate catastrophe. and if there was need to be global binding agreements, the countries actually stick to the planet out at the end of the day. this is the planetary crisis and we can only solve it together. i'm gonna have to switch now to split. you quickly run into the problem of individual countries shirking the responsibility of the countries claiming their only responsible for 2 percent of global emissions will be a point 2 percent. even when it was that they act like we don't need to take action . it's not our responsibility. fund, but them your business, we must do something to help protect the climate must put in
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a way this doesn't jeopardize the country's economic foundation. and that's a delicate balancing i've got to bundle. and germany's industry is very competitive on the world market, which is why we are the best in the world that and supporting the mice. so one of the best, and this means that ex thoughts of buying told to us a viable be some without them economic system. and social cohesion would collapse with them. it's, it's, has those left, it was really jeopardizing the german economy as the climate catastrophe to this will potentially cost us up to 900000000000 euros by 2050. if we want to save ourselves, which if we also want to save the economy, if we want is few negative changes as possible in the long run, then we need to change as much as possible now to restructure and offer alternative courses of action. ideally, this should happen on a global scale assume as an instrument. and so there is an imagining economy on its way up that says, we also want to give all people a young people prosperity as you probably want to get them secure jobs. and we want
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to give them opportunities to develop and grow thought. i think most of these countries just focus on growth. don't pay that much attention to the environmental impact by the end of each end of the keep me in indonesia suffer from the effects of climate change. that doesn't mean the indonesia itself is free, a bad actors that cause destruction and damage though. uh, kind of goes, how can i get it? for many years, indonesia had done little to contribute to climate change. but over the last 35 years, the country has been burning coal on a massive scale and logging its forest and mangroves. at the same time, indonesia is increasingly affected by droughts and flooding and its capital jakarta is sinking at an alarming rate. the 1st the, i fear that emissions will keep rising and imagining economists. but i talk selling nation, trying to increase life expectancy from 30 to 50 years. yes,
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that's possible, but only if everything's done in a climate friendly manner because that would just be on the fan, the summit stuff in that column. i'm going to be that i get a hold of somebody to do is that i don't know me, but when it comes to the question of whether we need to make economic progress before we tackle climate change and then i don't believe the economic love comes 1st. when we're gonna meet them, why do we best color when the echo, know me because if we wait until we've developed economic land before tackling climate change from if i and what will the environment look like that and then uh on the account, right? that you weren't able to meet with them. i you. so when i want to is and what's more important, i love, i'll be coming prosperous 1st, but protecting the environment. i don't know. in my opinion, the environment comes 1st because i have if you want to be rich, but the environment has been destroyed. well then you can't really be rich. so that we said that, yeah, we're going to be said that we've got another form of the investor that i need on
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the what the current government can perhaps do to strike a balance between the economy and environmental protection. it's sustainable development. how does model, but i've had the kind of some one aspect taking into account all the impacts of economic development and reducing deforestation. so in that about a point in time because we some of ok apart from that, the government can also move away from fossil fuels to renewables in energy production, categories. at the same time, i think it's primarily about giving these countries financial support and the opportunity to focus on renewable energy was about it next to especially subsets the to get them level kind of by all, by on the, um, novelty is indeed a decisive factor in our efforts to combat climate change. uh anything with any of them, i don't know because of people felt economically secure. and they certainly stop going into the forest to cut down trees and mon,
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within the mind and predict the whole time the band broke. you mentioned the people who are now cutting down forest on a living need to be given a different economic incentive that those i think it was a b, i only have one goal by that that there's a change for us and legal longer. so 900 besides that, people shouldn't just say we're just drawing something and hadn't joined. there's no other way for us to earn a living for them to get me filled out by the but i were forced to do this. not because there's nothing else we can do that day and we said that we need capital to buy a boat or something else with them. but we don't have that a label. any of the, we're not rich people. i mean, or bad. everyone on that. all right, i know that or i yeah, the yeah, that was that again, sense out of my personal goal is to invite many young people as possible to be more active. and to understand that we really need to make a huge effort to secure a better future by a,
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by and how do i get that done on the book and opinion with you make light the i'm the kind of buy up. if we don't make an effort to improve the situation to our children, grandchildren will suffer the consequences. i've seen that then learn something, but that so we're taking immediate action. we can help even if it's just with small things like planting, making roads and other plants along the coast of you must have fun, by the way, is up to help them to have hopes for a wonderful future. i truly believe and the good and people say each person is trying to do what they can with the personal resources they have available and they're giving their best. i believe there are very few people, if any 2 behaving and inherently evil way the united states by 10 to think of domestically because people aren't able to react to change to conditions as the anti history of mankind has shown us
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this. it's actually mankind's recipe for success folks that people have been able to adapt to new situations and member and advocate that little guy signing and filing them. i can do this hard work until i'm 50 years old. oh god willing yeah. and fed up with me then with the savings and i'd like to open a small store against online so that i could continue to earn enough money from my family. but i didn't get to that to you then to yeah. yeah, but the that would make me happy under what time to go for the future. i'd like to be able to live happily with my wife, but you say i see and for my children to have enough to eat. and i said that i'd like for them to go to school and perhaps even to university somebody that would be
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