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let's talk about there is a significant risk of human extinction from advancing our system. i was curious, continued d w. the more than 1100 homes have been destroyed and the worst wildfire is to hit the country and a decade over 20000 people have been displaced by funding. 2023 was the hardest here on record. this up to the future definitely scares me. we're pushing to go infinitely higher, faster further. smith and this is why we're here with a looming climate catastrophe that's coming ever closer to and then taking humanity
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into a new age of hot temperatures. i'd like to skip lower to the there are people who spread a sense of panic and was in my view. they immediately offer a solution and say that this is our only hope is though i think if we preach a culture of this will lose people's acceptance terms. dimension, funding family had some nitty dumped by that even though i've seen the effects of climate change with my own, i think you'd better get that some needed to be someone else out then some other a droughts everywhere. smoking by mouth, and we can feel the earth getting progressively warmer that again we're also observing a rise in sea levels and loud insight as the way i am personally feeling. climate change is that it's unusually hot at the moment. we want to be as happy, but us be my not, but i was doing more damage in the us or them lastly to but we're the one suffering
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the most as a consequence. but i got that. did it more on or who's to blame for climate change? who should be finding it, or the dangers being over exaggerated? or is it simply unstoppable the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the test on monumental. i'm 26 and from germany. i engage in simple resistance in the
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face of total political failure in response to the climate catastrophe. the sum item most, we all need to realize that we're in a state of emergency and we need to act accordingly, inspection 100. unless the of the stand up i have to go to work. i have to earn money and not to sit around like you all hear what the hell you do to spend all the time and you start filling me. you do you know it again? yeah. it directly confronts people with the climate catastrophe at that moment. and of course,
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that makes them angry stuff. it's like they're angry that their everyday lives are being disrupted. this help like my pulse goes up to 180. it's the same with every protest. no matter how often you do it, you never quite feel safe. mitsubishi, you just never know if this might be the times, you know, someone just slammed square foot on the gas, asked what i mean, the mountain done? no, we wait until the police come before we blew ourselves to the road. if we do it any sooner, that could be risky because passers by and motorists could become violent and might decide to pull this off by force. anya is with the last generation and international movement that's been active since 2021. it aims to draw attention to
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the urgent need for greater climate protections by, among other things, throwing paint at buildings and the facing works of art, but also by super cooling themselves to as mold and blocking airports and roads. there's been goods, that's just a game. fundamentally, against using a legal methods for political purposes, a lot binding products, but in this case, it particularly bound to because climate change and the fight against it along to make huge demands on compo, hawkins. the tons of the active is, are trying to convince, populated by reducing the agency preventing commuters from getting to work out from stopping parents from taking the kids to school sick. and people from getting to the adult to try and could by doing this, i just, the public will not accept your position. is it kind of active? tons is low, but that in mind you want to pump from the fact that the protests use on the traffic jams release even more c o 2. so, but it wasn't mean we progress and you foster on the climate change issues and
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a lot on the country. him getting tied up on the onboard via my name is toss. my name's thorsten alice laban. i'm 52 years old and the c. o . noise of the initiative, new central market economies, i think an economic think tank that's funded by the metal and electrical industry, the lease of a launch and medium sized metal and electrical companies to be what they call make us for example, automotive supplies and boss, siemens, the old metal industry. as a stink augusta. i think almost all companies have the issue of climate change on the radar and all doing a lot of money and whether it will be enough on time. i think he might, instead of going to say on come bestbuy's, sense industrialization, took off in the mid 19th century, humans have burned a huge volumes of coal, oil, and natural gas, and caused
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a massive deforestation. pumping 2.5 trillion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases. this has resulted among other things in a rise in global temperatures. the melting of the polar ice caps and glaciers and more frequent extreme weather events such as droughts, storms and floods. busy as it can convey situations so far as the things we predicted many years ago have essentially materialized what it is. and in this respect, if things continue on as trajectory and signs are that they will, he will have to reckon with a considerable deterioration of the basis for life on our planet. going down the ab perfect scrubs for which the message i want to get across is that we're in a serious, urgent situation. so, but at the same time that it's not too late, and for all of us together can still turn things around that some kind of
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the name, most of the of harvey up the almost every day one of us is arrested. and one of my friends taken to the police station, i was going to look at the as, as a, you know, my work as hard as a very hard ask and i will the downs, i cut down mangrove trees. are you? because the number of the law oh more to pick up and i meant to put in a more like a 138 and i work as a day labor like the things to god. i married and have 4 children thing. we live in oil, change our address. we are getting that. yeah. the
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was a yeah. i earn my living by are the mangroves there where i earn money from my wife and children. a model, luggage. i mean i law law that applies to me is but also to my friends who are illegal loggers as well. yeah. but, but that would be happening like the trees in a rain forest. mangroves are particularly important plants for planted or their home to numerous marine animals and central for coastal protection of the around 147000 square kilometers that still exist worldwide most to grow in indonesia and brazil. and indonesia. however, and especially large number of mangroves have been destroyed in recent decades. a better loss for the stability of the global climate,
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for square kilometer mangroves absorber and store around 4 times as much c o 2 as rain forests. and i get up what you see between me you see me get that's over here. and here we'll find dense mangrove forest that are flourishing, that we must protect together. and they do a buyout. if we run into longer is what should we do? but it doesn't cover like another example, vicky my name is tell 60 day you have to and i'm 24 years old. right now i'm working for your company on the coastal protection organization in indonesia lane that i'm active in environmental protection in young filing the but i like that the coming month. what i fear most of is that the resilience of coastal areas will be a road. it by the loss of the main gross. yeah, the local actually, retail has already experience tsunamis and game what happens when the main groups are gone. and there's another. and i mean, i think i'm,
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i wonder if you need to add the dental. and i mean, that's one of my concerns and when you decide from climate change itself, which is making itself felt everywhere in the form of drowns of heat when the data that packet that i found that it will continue to destroy more and more marine life . and then via that'd be, i would be something that's having a negative impact on the local economy and coastal regions. iphone. oh me much. i'd have to do that and the yeah, because that's the only sign of setting that we never were on patrol. we often run into lockers in our area and we're getting a justification is always the same from what under doing it because of their families and their economic situation. a lot of that which forces them to make a living in this way. and when, when, when i got that on the box, i have to smoke ok. and then they ask whether the actions really are so destructive
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. uh, give me some lovely, lovely young satellite. i'm noticing a lack of sensitivity and knowledge regarding the importance of protecting the environment and yeah, going from that, that would be that though. yeah, i'm aware of the consequences of logging and not the data, but i'm doing it because there's no other works here. i've got no choice that i've done so, but not in. yeah. so i as a companion, i wish i had my own fishing boat turner livings that i would instead of logging mangrove trees. that will do that by cutting down trees as risky already be done with them die. you can be hit by an axe or bitten by
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a smack in the latter like atlas the etiquette. uh then and then yeah, logging all these mangroves and means there is you are see life by less fish and sea for defying in the water. now i need someone to put on the that if somebody can, somebody say i'm glad data, but idea and everything i've heard about climate change is also true name. i got the idea of the stuff that i'm saying and then then have realized that i have to do small things about that. i can make a difference. so, so that we adapt to climate change ourselves. and i see that hand up for remind if it doesn't mean you know, the content from the stuff that the one thing i knew that the moment whenever i've asked myself, why are you doing this right now? so it's because we still have room to maneuver. it's not too late,
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and it won't be too late and 10 minutes time, either suspense, because every 10th of a degree that the earth doesn't include up, basically, states even lives above mentioned the 5th. it is. i won't get a follow entirely. no, i'm going to put my hand under your nose and it's going to hurt. ok. hasn't been yet humans. if someone tells me, for example, it won't be that bad. then of course i try to argue the case using facts. i tell them that the german drinking water supply is also under threat in the long term long also that are agricultural models simply won't work anymore. that this will lead to resource scarcity and massive societal of people who lives in the north. we shouldn't be presenting climate change to people as a terrifying spank tons of calls that have already been sent to you of surprising innovations that have resulted in
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a clear improvement off doing so best so. so maybe maybe we'll find something that sequester c o 2 installs it much more effectively than today. and that would mean we could keep all the coal fired power plants running into because they wouldn't be releasing c o to me today. i miss the i, we don't know yet wants around the corner of the americans defies this quite honestly. because then we can not go on like this in canada and that's why we blocked roads. for example, here in germany, in particular, it was a dodge, done as a nation of the global north that's also affected by climate catastrophes, but nowhere near as dramatically as a nation's of the global sound. then the supervisor and stuff like this would be data funny how she'll buy and how to speak to someone, you know, especially on an answer to the question of who's responsible for climate change. of course, it's a shared responsibilities on a busy guy, the deluxe. but if you look at it globally, little by several nations in the north, where the biggest polluters, because of their emissions and their industry in your industry of the machine and
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ship them side as extinguish. while i do think that the industrialized countries in general, batteries, special responsibility and photo, how may have profited from the c o 2 emissions and stuff, i didn't care much about climate change into my mind. even though i do believe that we have lived at the expense of the climate yet, so last liskey musket leap top for a long time industrialized countries such as the us, russia and the nations of europe have admitted the most greenhouse gases. however, the largest annual emissions now come from china while india, the world's most populous nation, is now in 3rd place. many of the world's poor nations, on the african continent, for example, contribute the least to climate change, but they are the most heavily impacted by its consequences. lemme changes the new frontier of social inequalities at let me change that already happen at the global
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level. has it full countries? honda then hines and countries and but it's also true within countries. and we also have a lot of evidence of studies of research that shows that the pull i or disproportionately affected by the effects of climate change. be it what distress be? it extreme weather events of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods the other part of the story is that of the better of they are a little more protected that we've just said, but they actually contribute more. so it's a kind of a mirror, any quite of your, this is a big a symmetry here. you contribute most of the problem and you are affected less what applies to nations applies to individuals to whereas the annual carbon footprint per canyon is just 500 kilograms on average. in indonesia,
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it's around 2 and a half tons per person, and almost 8 tons in germany. however, it's the world, the wealthiest people who produce the most greenhouse gases by a large margin, multi millionaires and billionaires. yeah, the sale of myra women not of course i'm angry about the fact that germany is one of the countries that so far as admitted $4.00 to $5.00 times more greenhouse gas has been indonesia. and then by the end of this year nava indonesia is a developing country and he get by the invitation and then other from but were severely impacted by the effects of greenhouse gas emissions and the global north. and i'm again inside i am a month when did you put new buttons that are beside the side of that of those who are more powerful than we are? where are they? do we see them? as you know, the are just exploiting resources. who's doing more damage? us for them? i mean, i don't think that yeah, we're the ones suffering, the consequences caught me. i mean, but i got that given to me on this. i do struggle with my own diligence
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come because i was part in germany in the global north and line, contributing so much more to the problem to metal, to buy. but even my own personal lifestyle as many times more destructive than that of a person living in nigeria, for example, where you have one. but i'm not going to those of you, but this guy, and then i'm going to type of what do you mean by that? so as kind of 200 over 5000, some guy says you didn't get them all up unix. now we have internalized pain and suffering in the world to such an extent that i actually considered taking my online. so name is supposed to have best move. i try to live as best i can by not fine by eating of egan diet and it's gone. i don't have a driver's license, i don't own a car and stuff and i don't need one, which i think a cultural change in values is necessary so that you don't to find ourselves by who flew on vacation, where, how and when the district is holding largest and things that morally shaming with people, if they take an airplane,
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is the right way to go. because to the bottom line is that it won't solve the problem. that's completely forgotten. so this would help the global climate attempt to come back to my underscore host southern end of that. and then i'm again with that i, am we my the global noise, but it's the biggest culprit. i then took out what really had and that is again what if we're only looking to assign responsibility for the destruction, then we'll be wasting time pointing the finger step by side last year we meeting inspection. i don't know at anything that kind of in order to effectively help the climate catastrophe. and if there was need to be global binding agreements, the countries actually stick to the chinese how to at the end of the day, this is the planetary crisis and we can only solve it together. i'm gonna head switch now to split. you quickly run into the problem of individual countries shirking the responsibility of the countries claiming their only responsible for 2 percent of global emissions of your point, 2 percent even bond. and so they act like we don't need to take action. it's not our responsibility to find the item you're missing. if we must do something to help
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protect the climate, must put in a waive it doesn't jeopardize the country's economic foundation. and that's a delicate balancing i've got to bundle in germany's industry is very competitive on the world market, which is why we have the best in the world that exponent saying that my is one of the best of instruments. this means that x thoughts a vital to us a viable b me some without them uh, economic system and social cohesion would collapse with them. it's something does less the what's really jeopardizing the german economy is the climate catastrophe to this will potentially cost us up to $900000000000.00 euros by 2050. if we want to save ourselves with, if we also want to save the economy, if we want is few negative changes as possible in the long run, then we need to change as much as possible now to restructure and offer alternative courses of action as most ideally this should happen on a global scale assume as an instrument. and so there is an imagining economy on its way up that says, we also want to give people
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a young people prosperity since you probably want to give them secure jobs and we want to give them opportunities to develop and grow thought. i think most of these countries just focus on growth, don't pay that much attention to the environmental impact of it by the end of these end. and the keep me in indonesia suffer from the effects of climate change. that doesn't mean the indonesia itself is free of bad actors that cause destruction and damage though. uh those are kind of those are kind of a spaghetti. for many years, indonesia had done little to contribute to climate change. but over the last 35 years, the country has been burning coal on a massive scale and logging it's forest and mangroves. at the same time, indonesia is increasingly affected by droughts and flooding. and its capital jakarta is thinking at an alarming rate. the is 1st the i fear that emissions will keep rising and imagine you're calling them
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is, but i talk tell a nation trying to increase life expectancy from 30 to 50 years. yes, that's possible, but only if everything's done in a climate friendly manner. because that would just be on fan, the somebody something that tell them i'm going to be that i get that are some i do is that i don't know me. but of when it comes to the question of whether we need to make economic progress before we tackle climate change and then i don't believe that economic love comes 1st when we're gonna meet them. why do we best color when the economic? because if we wait until we've developed economic land before tackling climate change from deciding what, what the environment look like that and then uh on the top right that you weren't able to meet them. i, you. so when i, when i was, and what's more important, i love, i'll be coming prosperous 1st, but protecting the environment. i don't know. in my opinion, the environment comes 1st because i have if you want to be rich, but the environment has been destroyed. well then you can't really be rich build up
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. you said that, yeah, we're going to reset the book. i know that somebody invested that i need on the what the current government can perhaps do to strike a balance between the economy and environmental protection is sustainable development. how does money? but i've had the can, someone aspect taking into account all the impacts of economic development and reducing deforestation. so anybody can, apart from that, the government can also move away from fossil fuels to renewables in energy production, categories. at the same time, i think it's primarily about giving these countries financial support and the opportunity to focus on renewable energy as i know about it and agreements. but that's, that's the will get them level panel by all, by on the majority is indeed a decisive factor in our efforts to combat climate change. anything with any of them,
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i don't know because of people feel economically secure. a date certainly stop going into the forest to cut down trees and mon, we in the line and predict the hold on a bundle of to mention to people who are now cutting down forest on a living need to be given a different economic incentive set. those i think it was a yeah, yeah, i only have one goal, but i bet there's a change for us, illegal loggers. and then i know besides that people shouldn't just say we're just drawing something and hadn't joined. there's no other way for us to earn a living for the we're forced to do this, not because there's nothing else we can do that day and we get that level. we need capital to buy a boat or something else with them. but we don't have that a label, any of those simple, we're not rich people. i mean, or that haven't gotten a lot. i know that or i yeah. the yeah. that was that against the data. my personal goal is to invite many young
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people as possible to be more active and to understand that we really need to make a huge effort to secure a better future by a by and how do i get the 10 percent of funding lately, the column and once you've done that level, kind of buy up, if we don't make an effort to improve the situation of future to our children and grandchildren will suffer the consequence. i've seen that done when someone put that on. so we're taking immediate action. we can help even if it's just with small things like planting, making roads and other plants along the coast. and what's the difference? i mean the is up to help them does i have hopes for a wonderful future. i truly believe and the good and people say each person is trying to do what they can with the personal resources they have available and they're giving their best. i believe they're a very few people, if any, to behave and, and inherently evil way. the united states,
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i tend to think of domestically because people aren't able to react to change just conditions as the entire history of mankind has shown that this. it's actually mind kinds recipe for success or that people have been able to adapt to new situations. and men would not get the little guys had any problem. i can do this hard work until i'm 50 years old. god willing and fed up with me then with the savings. and i'd like to open a small store online so that i could continue to earn enough money from my family. but i didn't get to pick events, right? yeah. yeah, but the that would make me happy under what time to go for the future. i like to be able to live happily with my wife, but you say i see and for my children to have enough to eat safety that i'd like for them to go to school and perhaps even to university somebody that would be
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enough for me. but what it does, what i typically do is i the of
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