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decisions under the swastika, a documentary about the sounds of power and inspiring story about survival. music in nazi germany, watching out one youtube dw documentary. the more than 1100 homes have been destroyed and the worst wildfire is to hit the country and a decade over 20000 people have been displaced by flooding. 2023 was the hottest here on record. the bishop just the future definitely scares me. we're pushing to go infinitely higher, faster further. smith, and this is why we're here with a looming climate catastrophe that's coming ever closer to and then taking humanity into a new age of hot temperatures. i'd like to skip lower to the there on
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people who spread a sense of panic. and once in my view, they immediately offer a solution and say that this is our only hope is 12. i think if we preach a culture of this will lose peoples acceptance attempts to make some fund family head nitty don't find anybody to bind. i've seen the effects of climate change with my own. i think you'd better get that some needed to be something else. i can some other a droughts everywhere. smoking by mouth and we can feel the earth getting progressively warmer. and again, we're also observing a rise in sea levels and loud insight as the way i am personally feeling. climate change is that it's an usually hot at the moment. we want to be as happy, but i love you might not, but i was doing more damage in the us or them lastly to but we're the ones suffering the most as a consequence. but i got the more on or who's to blame for climate change. who
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should be finding it? are the dangers being over exaggerated? or is it simply unstoppable the, the, the test on monumental. i'm 26 and from germany. i engage in simple resistance in the face of total political failure in response to the climate catastrophe. the
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sum item most, we all need to realize that we're in a state of emergency and we need to act accordingly, inspection 100. unless the of the stand up i have to go to work. i have to earn money and not just sitting around like you will hear what the hell talk you do to spend all the time and you start filling me. you do you know it's again? yeah, it directly confirms people with the climate catastrophe at that moment. and of course, that makes them angry. the site looks very angry that their everyday lives are being disrupted.
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this help with my pulse goes up to 180. it's the same with every protest. no matter how often you do it, you never quite feel safe. mitsubishi, you just never know if this might be the times you have someone just slammed at the foot on the gas after what i mean, the mountain done? no, we wait until the police come before we do ourselves to the road. if we do it any sooner, that could be risky because passers by and motorists could become violent and might decide to pull this off by force. anya is with the last generation, an international movement that's been active since 2021. it aims to draw attention to the urgent need for greater climate protections by, among other things, throwing paint at buildings and the facing works of art, but also by super cooling themselves to as mold and blocking airports and roads.
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there's been goods, that's just a game. fundamentally, against using illegal methods for political purposes, although by indian products. but in this case, it particularly bound to because climate change and the fight against it along to make huge demands on capital hawkins. he tends to be active as a trying to convince public by reducing the agency, preventing commuters from getting to work out for stopping parents from taking the kids to school. sick people from getting to the don't to target by doing this, the public will not accept your position. is it kind of active? tons is low, but that in mind you want to pump from the fact that the protests you send the traffic jams release even more c o 2, nobody. it was. mean we progress any foster on the climate change issues and a lot on the country. him getting tested on, on the onboard via my name is tossed. my name's thorsten al slaven. i'm 52 years old and the c o noise of the initiative,
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new central market economies, i think an economic think tank that's funded by the metal and electrical industry. the lease of a launch and medium sized metal and electrical companies, what they call make us, for example, automotive supplies and boss, siemens, the old metal industry. as a stink augusta. i think almost all companies have the issue of climate change on the radar and all doing a lot of money and whether it will be enough. and i'm thinking by, instead of going to say i'm from best buy since industrialization took off in the mid 19th century, humans have burned huge volumes of coal, oil, and natural gas, and caused a massive deforestation. pumping 2.5 trillion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases. this has resulted among other things in a rise in global temperatures. the melting of the polar ice caps and glaciers and more
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frequent extreme weather events such as droughts, storms, and floods. the she is a visa, tracy, so far as the things we predicted many years ago have essentially materialized where it is. and in this respect, if things continue on is project series and signs are that they will. he will have to reckon with a considerable deterioration of the basis for life on our planet. going down the road up to date and the ab scabies, for which the message i want to get across is that we're in a serious, urgent situation. so, but at the same time that it's not too late and, and for all of us together can still turn things around that some kind of the name most of the day of harvey up the almost every day one of us is arrested. and
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one of my friends taken to the police station, i look at the as, as a my work as hard as a very hard has been able to dance. i cut down mangrove trees. are you? because then under the law. oh more to pick up right up and i'm going to put in a more like a 138 and i work as a day labor like the things to god. i married and have 4 children thing. we live in oil change our address. we are getting that. yeah, the was a yeah. i earn my living by are the mangroves there where i earn money from my wife and children. a model luggage. i mean i law law that applies to me is but also to
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my friends who are illegal loggers as well. yeah. but, but that will be happening like the trees in a rain forest. mangroves are particularly important plants for planet or their home to numerous marine animals and central for coastal protection of the around 147000 square kilometers that still exist worldwide. most grow in indonesia and brazil, and indonesia. however, and especially large number of mangroves have been destroyed and recent decades. a better loss for the stability of the global climate per square kilometer mangroves absorb and store around 4 times as much c o 2 as rain forests. and i get the opportunity if you see me, you see me get this over here. and here we'll find dense mangrove for us that are
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flourishing, that we must protect together. they do a buyout. if we run into lockers, what should we do? but it doesn't come i like how can i have another example, vicky my name is tel 60 that you have to and i'm 24 years old. right now i'm working for your company on the coastal protection organization in indonesia lane that i'm active in environmental protection. okay. i'm following up with the but i like that the coming month. what i fear most of it is that the resilience of coastal areas will be eroded by the loss of the main gross fantasyland. yeah, the local actually, retail has already experience tsunamis and game what happens when demand growth are gone. and there's another. and i mean, i think i'm a little longer if you need to add that then. so now me essentially that's one of my concerns. and when you decide from climate change itself, which is making itself felt everywhere in the form of drowns of heat when the fact
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that i know that i think that it will continue to destroy more and more marine life then that that'd be something that's having a negative impact on the local economy and coastal regions. iphone. oh me much, i do that and i can look around the yeah. because that's the only sign of setting that whenever we're on patrol, we often run into lockers in our area and we're getting a justification. is always the same from what they're doing it because of their families and their economic situation. a lot of that which forces them to make a living in this way. and when, when, when i got that on the box i have to smoke on and they ask whether the actions really are so destructive. give me some work like the
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young sally. i'm noticing a lack of sensitivity and knowledge regarding the importance of protecting the environment and yeah, going from that, that would be that though. yeah, i'm aware of the consequences of logging and not the data, but what i'm doing it because as there is no other work, say i've got no choice that i've done so, but not in the site as a companion. i wish i had my own fishing boat turn, a living load instead of logging mangrove trees that do that by cutting down trees is risky already be along with them that you can be hit by an axe or bitten by a snake ladder. but yeah, the people uh then and then yeah, logging all these mangroves means there is fewer. see life less fish and see if
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want to find in the water and i need some i can look around the that if somebody can, somebody say i'm glad data but idea and everything i've heard about climate change is also true with me. mind you have to add a negative stuff that i'm saying, and then then have realized that i have to do small things about that. i can make a difference. so, so that we adapt to climate change ourselves. especially if that has a little tiny thing. it doesn't mean you know, the big ones that you can plug that comes into the stuff that one would have on that sponge easy. i ended up having to use it whenever i've asked myself, why are you doing this right now? so it's because we still have room to maneuver, it's not too late and it won't be too late and 10 minutes time either suspense, because every 10th of a degree that the earth does include up, basically, states even lives above mentioned, the 5th it is,
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i won't get involuntarily. no. i'm going to put my hand under your nose and it's going to hurt. okay. hasn't been yeah, you months? if someone tells me for example, it won't be that bad. then of course, i try to argue the case using facts as a very i tell them that the german drinking water supply is also under threat in the long term. long also that are agricultural models simply won't work anymore. that this will lead to resource scarcity. and massive societal of people who move in the north, we shouldn't be presenting climate change to people as a terrifying specter if i call that have already been sent to you of surprising innovation, but it resulted in a clear improvement off to it. so best so. so maybe maybe we'll find something that sequester c o 2 installs it much more effectively than today. and that would mean we could keep all the coal fired power plants running into it because they wouldn't be releasing c o 2 in savannah and must be a,
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we don't know yet wants around the corner of americans. the spice is quite honest. we couldn't, we cannot go on like this, you know, and that's why we blocked the roads. for example, here in germany, in particular, it was a dodge, done as a nation of the global north that's also affected by climate catastrophes, but nowhere near as dramatically as a nation's of the global sound. then the supervisor to support us would be data for the house shipped by an address, but if someone, you know me an answer to the question of who's responsible for climate change. of course, it's a shared responsibility, some basic idea tenix. but if you look at it globally, little by several nations in the north, where the biggest polluters, because of their emissions and their industry and new bum uh, industry of the machine and ship them side as extinguish. well, i do think that the industrialized countries in general, they're a special responsibility. unfortunately, they have profited from a c o 2 emissions and stuff. i didn't care much about climate change into my mind,
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even though i do believe that we have lived at the expense of the climate yet. so last, liskey musket leaf top for a long time industrialized countries such as the us, russia, and the nations of europe have a me the most greenhouse gases. however, the largest annual emissions now come from china. while india, the world's most populous nation, is now in 3rd place. many of the world's poor nations, on the african continent, for example, contribute the least to climate change, but they are the most heavily impacted by its consequences. lemme changes the new frontier of social equality. zip. let me change that already happen at the global level. has it full countries hot? uh then time countries but it's also true within countries. and we also have a lot of evidence of studies of research that shows that the pull i,
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or disproportionately affected by the effects of climate change, be it what the stress be. it extreme weather events of hurricanes, tornadoes, floods the other part of the story is that of the better of they are a little more protected that we've just said, but they actually contribute more. so it's a kind of a mirror and you quite of your, this does it think of symmetry here, you contribute most of the problem and you are affected less what applies to nations applies to individuals to whereas the annual carbon footprint per kenyon is just 500 kilograms on average. in indonesia, it's around 2 and a half tons per person, and almost 8 tons in germany. however, it's the world, the wealthiest people who produce the most greenhouse gases by a large margin, multi millionaires and billionaires. yeah, the sale myra women, not as of course,
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i'm angry about the fact that germany is one of the countries that so far as admitted $4.00 to $5.00 times more greenhouse gas has been indonesia. and then by the end of this year, not by donasia is a developing countries any get by the introduction and then either from but we're severely impacted by the effects of greenhouse gas emissions and the global north. and i'm again inside i am a month when did you put new month or beside the side of that and those who are more powerful than we are and where are they? do we see them as the know the are just exploiting resources? who's doing more damage? us for them. i mean, i don't wanna go yeah, we're the ones suffering. the consequences caught me. i mean, but i got, i did it to me on top of this. i do struggle with my own guilt because i was born in germany in the global north and line, contributing so much more to the problems of medicine by but even my own personal lifestyle as many times more destructive than that of
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a person living in nigeria for example, idea of one, but i'm not going to this 5. yeah, but this guy, and then i'm going to type of dealing with him on a 5. and so as kind of doing that revised starting to die. so if you didn't get them up, you can always have internalized pain and suffering in the world to such an extent that i actually considered taking my own writing. so name is what's the best movie i try to live as best i can by not fine by eating a vegan diet and it's gone. i don't have a driver's license, i don't own a car and stuff. i don't need one. i think a cultural change in values is necessary so that we don't define ourselves by who flew on vacation, where, how and when the district is loud. and i just don't think that morally shaming with people, if they take an airplane, is the right way to go. because the bottom line is that it won't solve the problem . that's completely forgotten. so this would help the global climate time to come back to my underscore host that in any event, and in that i'm again with that i,
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am we my the global northwest, the biggest corporate i then took that what i'm really heading, that is to get what if we're only looking to assign responsibility for the destruction, and we'll be wasting time pointing the finger step by so i last year we meeting is action. i don't know at anything that can go further in order to effectively help the climate catastrophe. and if there would need to be global binding agreements, the countries actually stick to the planet out at the end of the day. this is the planetary crisis and we can only solve it together. i'm gonna have to switch now to split. you quickly run into the problem of individual countries shirking the responsibility of the countries claiming their only responsible for 2 percent of global emissions will be a point 2 percent even by them. so they act like we don't need to take action. it's not our responsibility. funds let them be missing if we must do something to help protect the climate, must put in a way this doesn't jeopardize the country's economic foundation. and that's a delicate balancing act to bundle and germany's industry is very competitive on
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the world market, which is why we are the best and the well and to the exporting the mice. so one of the best and this means that x thoughts of buying, sold to an survival b, me some without them uh, economic system and social cohesion would collapse with them. it's, it's is, i'm does less the what's really jeopardizing the german economy is the climate catastrophe. to this will potentially cost us up to 900000000000 euros by 2050. if we want to save ourselves, which if we also want to save the economy, if we want as few negative changes as possible in the long run, then we need to change as much as possible now to restructure and offer alternative courses of action. ideally, this should happen on a global scale assume as an instrument and so there is an emerging economy on its way up that says, we also want to give all people a young people prosperity as you probably want to give them secure jobs. and we want to give them opportunities to develop and grow thought. i think most of these countries just focus on growth. don't pay that much attention to the environmental
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impact of it. by the end of each end of the people in indonesia suffer from the effects of climate change. that doesn't mean the indonesia itself is free, a bad actors that cause destruction and damage. so uh, that was kind of what was happening again for many years, indonesia had done little to contribute to climate change. but over the last 35 years, the country has been burning coal on a massive scale and logging its forest and mangroves. at the same time, indonesia is increasingly affected by droughts and flooding and its capital jakarta is thinking at an alarming rate. the is 1st the i fear that emissions will keep rising and imagining economists. but i talk sell a nation trying to increase life expectancy from 30 to 50 years. yes, that's possible, but only if everything's done in a climate friendly manner because that would just be on the fan,
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the summit, something that tell them i'm going to be that i get that of somebody you lose that i don't know me, but when it comes to the question of whether we need to make economic progress before we tackle climate change and then i don't believe the economic love comes 1st when we're gonna meet them. why do we best color when the echo, know me because if we wait until we've developed economic land before tackling climate change from get by and what, what the environment look like then, and then the jump right that you weren't able to meet with them or you so when i, when i was, and what's more important, i love, i'll be coming prosperous 1st, but protecting the environment. i don't know. in my opinion, the environment comes 1st because i have if you want to be rich, but the environment has been destroyed. well then you can't really be rich so that we said that, yeah, we're going to be said that we've got another form of the investor that i need on the what the current government can perhaps do to strike a balance between the economy and environmental protection. is sustainable
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development, how does model sort of had the kind of some one aspect taking into account all the impacts of economic development and reducing deforestation. so in that about a point in time because we some of them, apart from that, the government can also move away from fossil fuels to renewables in energy production, categories. at the same time, i think it's primarily about giving these countries financial support and the opportunity to focus on renewable energy as i know about it next units. but that's, that's the level panel by oh, by on the uh, navi is indeed a decisive factor in our efforts to combat climate change. uh the thing, and if i thought of them i don't know because of people felt economically secure and, and they certainly stock going into the forest to cut down trees and mon, within the line and predict the whole time the band broke. you mentioned the people who are now cutting down forest on a living need to be given
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a different economic incentive so that those, i think it was a yeah. yeah, i only have one goal by that that there's a change for us and legal longer is and then i know besides that, people shouldn't just say we're just drawing something and hadn't joined. there's no other way for us to earn a living for them to get me filled out by the but i were forced to do this, not because there's nothing else we can do that day. and we said, we need capital to buy a boat or something else. for them, but we don't have that a label, any of the, we're not rich people. i mean, or that haven't gotten a lot. i know that or i yeah. the yeah, that was that against that of my personal goal is to invite many young people as possible to be more active. and to understand that we really need to make a huge effort to secure a better future by a by and how do i get the 10 percent of funding when you make light
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of that level kind of buy up. if we don't make an effort to improve the situation to our children and grandchildren will suffer the consequences. i've seen that done when someone put that on. so we're taking immediate action we can help even if it's just with small things like planting, making roads and other plants along the coast shift. and by the way, it's up to help them to have hopes for a wonderful future. i truly believe and the good and people say each person is trying to do what they can with the personal resources they have available and they're giving their best. i believe there are very few people, if any 2 behaving and inherently evil way the united states. i tend to think of domestically because people aren't able to react to change as conditions as the anti history of mankind has shown us this. it's actually mankind's recipe for success. folks that people have been able to adapt to new situations and mom and advocate that little guy signing and filing
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them. i can do this hard work until i'm 50 years old. oh god willing and fed up with me then with the savings i'd like to open a small store gonzales so that i could continue to earn enough money from my family . but i didn't get to that to you then. so yeah. the that would make me happy under what time to go for the future. i'd like to be able to live happily with my wife. but because i asked the and for my children to have enough to eat. and i said that i'd like for them to go to school and perhaps even to university something that would be enough for me. but what i knew it is what i do believe i, the
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