i honestly try to busy and working 32 hours a week to be balance would be 5 minutes and 40, but of course we shouldn't be. no, you'd be the living scientists just had subscribe. whatever you listen to pod costs, [000:00:00;00] the on october 7th, 2023. the world's eyes were on the middle east as how most terrorist attacked israel murdering indiscriminately taking hostages, scenes of unfathomable cruelty. israel was struck to its core.

just lay there and thought is this how i'm going to die to i think up until the 7th, a new phase for us as jewish people, right after the whole of costs gets the blood these days in the history of the site . and these are costs like this was, is incredibly serious trauma for these really people right now. we feel like, you know, never again is now israel responded with for its goal was the complete destruction of home us. but the bombings and expulsion of palestinians felt like a repeats of their own painful history. the nocka catastrophe. the loss of their homeland memories were experiencing the most terrible form of displacement. in the most horrifying way of we're experiencing sheer horrors. in my

opinion, this is worse then the next about and i think people have a challenge to find words to describe what's taking place in in garza, i lost 70 or more members of my family yesterday i just lost my cousin and his 2 children. it's a very big drum for the people, there's a new low and the conflict has been breached since october 7th. how can i be terrific? violence continues to be get even more violence without hardly any compassion bite, as i can help him. both fine show no empathy whatsoever for the other side. software english come to here because of the render strollman both of experience and the of the both sides are now in trauma mind. they're in, in a state of high emotion that is contaminating their capacity to think clearly, what are these traumas?

and why do is riley's and palestinians continue these cycles of trauma again and again. what does october 7th mean for the future of the middle east? this is now the longest open war and israel's history. is there hope? is there a way out the, the gaza strip and narrow piece of land between 6 and 14 kilometers wide and 40 kilometers long and densely populated. before october, 7th, more than 2000000 people lived here. in their midst, the radical islamic militant group home us was preparing

a major attack. these images are not from october 7th there how much training videos in the gaza strip. they were training on different models of is really villages is really downs, is really, really 30 positions and caps and they were doing it consistently. i so so the division between those who fight and those who are keeping it. and you saw the pod plans for the different angles of the training at several different sites. how much trained for october 7th, more or less in plain sight. israel could also see what was going on. we saw these videos before the end of october. we knew of them before 7 of october . i embarrassed to say that there is much more than disability. embarrassed to say much more intelligence. so we, so it's,

we knew the plan for the kids. they knew exactly what was going on. they just didn't believe similar events to go at this point. i'm us leader. yes. yes. and why is considered one of the masterminds of october 7th, what a thomas post these videos online. why did that reveal? it's plans. have us like any other organizations is looking for publicity and the for propaganda. and i think what they were doing is riley young people around them . they want to let you to see they wanted to show how well they've been organized. militarize, working as a very, you know, well developed military organizations is really didn't take the videos seriously. part of the problem is the arrogance ending of feeling that we have the best technology. we have the best

understanding it, but the best, the best, the best for the those is really generalized. although it was like a routine, no more conduct of an army, which is training for judgment. they did this as an ex, your ration for an even in the strike. we knew we are facing a terrorist organization that will always want to eliminate us. but we wanted, we were sort of lived in denial that, you know. yeah, they just training. that was the, you know, what we say it's a misconception. most people living on the israeli side of the border to the gaza strip had no idea that a major attack was being planned on the palestinian side.

just behind this fence lies the keyboards near us. almost 400 people lived here. this was what us called a rooms home. that's a little muscle close for about 2 and a half kilometers from the fence behind the fence or hon. eunice, and other advantages of in near us. like most people seem as an agricultural, intentional community most living there were last week and labor of love to show i was born here with the, with the into the v is the travel the world. because i returned and started a family adult teeth. i met also my husband, my lease, but now he is my ex husband. we have 4 children. nadine and i run a clinic for alternative medicine was on the tv. the little things weren't quiet the domestic has for 20 years. there were many terrorist attacks with rockets affordable life in the kibbutz was somewhere between heaven

and how soon should it should in the most of the time. it was paradise. all at the store in a quiet, green place present. but once or twice a year, it turned into how ambition the game deemed, the children grow up in the shadow of the situation in which they developed anxiety, especially as the thought was my younger son, he was afraid to be alone had you had to put him to bed every night, social's little thing. what we often thought about moving lip. i'm in chicago, but it's not that easy. still look a deep down, you know, it's not healthy for children to grow up like this is another one, but we're rooted here. oh, that's what this was home. i only mean, of course i should by living so close to the fence was only possible because these wally state guaranteed security security is not the correct word. ok

for us it's an excess then show more. it's our a sense to keep our lives. it's not only a simple security ok. and every point in addition to that, i can remember i was always running on the ticket of the social security. you are elected as prime minister because of security. not because of the economic situation. the big trauma for israel at is that jews have never felt safe anywhere in the world. as jewish people, we will always be around people that we feel wants to kill us. it doesn't matter where in the south and then all the, you know, somewhere broad, there will always be someone that thinks that we are not, you know, appropriate, that we don't these of,

to live. we will broad up on the stories of our parents. i possible is some of them, it came from a, from the holocaust they had been murdered. they have been seen as vermin in throughout europe. and also the middle east. so it's a kind of a mindset that we can live wherever and we will just need to be on the lot constantly a long history of programs, holocaust jews, and israel are still marked by the suffering the. this is the states that we established after the show after the holocaust. okay. that came out of the ashes or to be a haven to choose from all over the world. and israel was seen

as the one place on earth where jews might feel safe. but true security remained elusive, neighboring arab countries did not accept a un resolution for the establishment of the jewish state. 5 of them attacked israel to show uh, especially the cost is not the only trauma is riley has had to deal with stay the same as the war of independence of 1948. taking that when israel was attacked by all the surrounding countries of the key of all this this country has been going for ever to uh, 4856627697723822926 uh, 2 into 5 those and now this got into uh, we were engaged, are in constant intermittent fighting and consultations with

our diversities. it never stopped. i think it's impossible to understand the is rarely psychology without understanding this longing to be finally safe and secure. here in the south of israel, that longing for security takes the form of steel and concrete. israel wanted to protect itself, following the disengagement from casa in 2005, an ultra modern border fence against attacks. by the time the barrier was finished in 2021, the estimated cost was around $1000000000.00 euros. who money came? what i've done not to shoot this way. we'll give citizens in the south because sense of security. it shouldn't be the one if you shoot me and allow these beautiful region to develop those. i'm cross spencer. she's very small. 65 kilometers long and 6 meters tall. the wall is fitted with the technology complete with surveillance cameras, motion detectors,

and automatic machine guns. was the invented cause of the, of the developments that the border is way and has found that the, the thomas is digging time that was on the boulder in order to bring the people inside to keep the same inside the villages. i room one we, we, a bose and iron board is strong defensive system, which will deter any adverse 3 from wishing to do it today. also, we put many sensors into the that's with a live task. if somebody's trying still to go in under the obstacle, i don't think there is any stating the word. it is some of these kinds of a fee of technology. until october 7th,

2023 is real. believe to this barrier was unbeatable, and the guarantee of security, as always stop with us each a heights. i believe that the surcharge, the battery out against garza and on the west bank going to fulfill 2 objectives for i know. so i 1st with a guarantee is around security and putting them inside. they're kind of voluntary again to saw some in the with wells and barriers designed to provide a sense of security because through the stuff honestly. so hard to keep up each box . they 7 additional assume though they make sure that each round doesn't have to deal with the palestinians. law solvency. that's a disappeared behind the wheels behind the fence between probably seen ends on that way. no one has to face them or hearing from those. and then we'll use riley's no longer remind you to send them through. they all that and we are here and that gives us base of minds, utah, with and having the way i do think that is really is prefer not to think about how palestinians were and are living in garza,

it's excruciatingly painful and it's easier not to think about it, deeper gross interest. so on television, we are sitting at the biggest television network in these red. if we bore broadcast too much about what's happening in the gaza street, but the westbank, etc. windows viewers is correct to say that the people don't want to hear about what is happening. do we have enough of our suffering? we don't want to hear, afraid that people are afraid. you know, it's the same thing why people don't want to learn arabic. same thing, they don't want to be touched with that language. they don't want to be attached with these people. you know, this is the enemy. i know. i know for the fact that people that you know, escape from the heart of course didn't want to hear german language, didn't want to visit germany that they wanted to do. so thought from that. i think

the same thing happened with arabic. this is the language of the enemy and that enemy lives here. garza city on the other side of the fence. there only 2 border crossings to israel, and the state of israel controls everything coming in and going out shar, although bc was born here. he studied pharmacology and worked in his parents pharmacy until the war started. every day behind the fence is hard, even before the war. on the haile and i'm 23 years old while i'm on the side and never known a day when there hasn't been a power cut in gaza when one of the the diamond home housing, these really occupation puts us under constant pressure and they want us to leave our country with the just how they want to take over the whole of palestine. and they've been putting pressure on the palestinian people for a very long time,

especially on us here in gaza and with the blockade. the difficulty of traveling, realizing your dream is moving around and everything is difficult. and so, of course, all of witnesses, even before october 7th resignation and depression were widespread. the blood pressure remains of domestics. his passion is donica, the palestinian national dance. lashara is one of the best dancers in garza and used to perform regularly. i'm still in the hotel if i feel like i'm flying when i danced. okay. even though there's nothing holding me back, i feel free that i can move how i want that i can last be sad, done. i can leap through the air. i can express everything within me to him dance as a form of therapy. group therapy. it has always been that way. 2 going

in the whole laughter every attack. we dance on the rubble in the ashes. can you smile through the pain? this is again, that's the best way of describing it. we want to convey this message to the people here are fighting for their dream and for what they want to achieve the death. those are the misunderstanding. we're no different from the people outside or less . so like on can only they have more opportunities than we do special or believes that dance has the power to heal the numbers in the war. we teach the children to dance, adopt in a simple way so that they can practice and feel it come and when he so it's a way of freeing their minds. to the 1st on the teaching duncan, especially with children, is like planting a seed that will flourish. our aim is not to train them to be the best dancers, but to be connected to their home. to loved the land. that is, there's a home,

the bus or like all these young people only knows from stories around 70 percent of guns as population, or descendants of people who were displaced or fled it typically minnesota is that no tenants and our families often spoke about the knock, the bottom of 1948th guess that of how they fled customer, how they had to leave their homes, how they survive. that was, i don't guess. we asked if they left without a moment's notice of the sort. and that's the condition if somebody couldn't imagine how barbaric the occupation was, no doubt that they were under so much pressure that they had to leave the knock, but no other event has had such a lasting impact on palestinian history. when the word and the music. augusta. this is the word that the palestinians use too

much too big events that took place in 1947. 1948 north and austin, field sick. in 1948. all the surrounding arab states attacked israel single. tain. yesterday. i take it out in the course of this conflict that we just started out as a defense. they pull against our, the aggression is around drove the palestinians from many of the areas in question . these a could be to so people in different slots and all the palestinians planned for fear of mass against outcome to fluid the but it was unintentional strategic campaign to ethnically cleanse the historic land of palestine from the non jewish population as much as possible. i think that it has a very profound effect on the palestinian psychology. the stories of a knock still burned in the hearts and minds of palestinian families moving from

generation to generation. and so the trauma lives on and on. for example, when i heard from my grandmother's, sometimes when she sees a beautiful dress ma entry, she says, yeah, this looks like an adjustment tree that we had in just my dad until today. she didn't have the key for their home. my dad used to take us to our land in bursa and i remember them as, as, as a child, one time we went to my aunt home and there was a wedding and even i was like, so like crazy, high b, that's fine. any we, so the land, you know, this event is solely mark, and that has to be in history because many individuals get traumatized directory and it is not one event on the, it's a prolonged trauma. many palestinians were not allowed to return after the 1948 war they and their descendants still don't have

a home to the state. the then that's fine is the basic. it's the basic of everything. that's what keeps them going. that's what's generates, you know, the geology and the violence, and, and the aggressions and the anger and the, the mediation. and it's like, all these emotions comes from them. that's the main thing. the belief that everything used to be better in the past and the hopeless reality of the blockade. a perfect breeding ground for radicalism, life and gaza was very, very difficult before october 7th. unemployment is known as being one of the highest in the world during that time. the restrictions on movements were completely controlled and the rates of mental health suffering was

also very high. studies have come to the conclusion that over 90 percent of palestinian children have been traumatized once or even several times by bombs, by war loss of relatives, the destruction of their homes and schools. a lot of them they are actually experiencing depression anxiety. they are experiencing anger outrage, some of them they wouldn't, they told me they wouldn't go to the bathroom unless their mother with them some of them they would stay wherever their mother is or their parent is. and they would not move from many palestinians and god. so it is clear who is to blame. no time us is we. in march 2018, major protests kicked off and gaza. 70 years after the knock about every fridays saw thousands of people march to the border fence. for me, the marshal return is a great event of palestinian non violent activism to claim our

legitimate rights. as for this to indians, to be recognized, 1st of all as a nation to be recognized as worthy of a state. and also to be recognized that we were forced out of our communities and our lands and our villages in $90.48 through the neck of the through the ethnic cleansing campaign is another way of palestinians saying we are here. we're human beings. we have the right to have, or a state or a country. we are tired of this, my lease, we are tired of the bookcase. we are tired of the bombing. we want to live a normal life, like every other human being. for almost 2 years, week after week, palestinians demonstrated in the thousands the atmosphere was charged and increasingly aggressive from us exploited this anger. it was

palestinians who were very, very frustrated with the closure, with the luck done with the blockade over it does. and how most roads that waived for its benefit and present, initiated the at all but from us. yes, us and wire come us leader in the gaza strip scene took the home of this movement the. 1 with us today, or people begin a new phase in their history of struggle and national resistance on the road to liberation and return. today, are people in casa, in the west bank, in the territories occupied in 1948 and from abroad, or coming forward in their entirety to usher in this new phase and correct course. these rarely government was alarmed when palestinian storm defense. the military responded with rubber bullets tear gas,

sometimes even live munitions. anyone approaching the fence risk to their life, hundreds were killed. tens of thousands injured so many people innocent 1st indians were killed during that time during the march of return. it is a failure for those who initiated it. definitely. but oh, but assuming an attempt to achieve anything, and now we're almost a failure. the dr. diplomatic means they've tried negotiation to drive the us to the process. that's right. doing. defy those and, and didn't know that is affected. yeah. the you can see the war. i think that there seems the end of those. uh, those the events. he started to think about parole, the more dramatic offensive against the israel. and this was of course,

october the 7th since 2017. yeah. to us and more has been how most of the top officials and the fact to leader of gauze are you seeing where it is? definitely the must of mine for october 7th, when i met him. but i don't know to say how, where i know he is a very coming through the calculating bible for the fellow people say he's boulder line cycle part. i don't know. he's very charismatic. and he has a very strong personality. he's very tough. let's say he's very cool, very brutal. a few pro 5. someone likes in lar. okay. um, this is a person that is your intelligence, the most important thing for him. so morris declared goal is to destroy as real and kill all jews in the country. the masters of our people and our nation will

pour over the borders like raging floods and up route your entire be the they will find a nice to, to stab you a car to run you over for a molotov cocktail, to burn your hearts. send war was born in the gaza strip in 1962 to refugee parents. he's a founding member of from us and one of its most radical voices in his twenty's. he was sentenced to jail by israel. few a sentence for life. he was in prison, forgiving, posting, and collaborators not for can use, or at least he used has long imprisonment to study his enemy. his sharp mind made him all the more dangerous to ensue. he'll 20 to use in different prisons. in his room. he read every single good. he speaks very good. you bro. bye reading the story,

a freeze way as well as the holocaust. and now the other 4 rooms the day before and i just did take it. i understood the feeling and the uh, uh, and the trauma of the jewish people. it certainly looks as though. yeah, i guess in more study the is really psyche in order to figure out how to maximize pain for these really people. it would appear that he really understand see exactly how to get under the skin. of his release fellow inmates feared and respected some more. he positioned himself as a leader among the prisoners and proved himself to be both ruthless and violent. in 2011, similar, it was released together with a number of loyal followers in a prisoner exchange. nathan jo

released him along was a 1000 other police junior prisoners in order to get well, he is really a soldier and the loud shirley who spent almost 5 years in captivity in 2011 . there was a lot of public opinion pressure and the one point phoebe reached the conclusion that it's politically wise, it for him to give in and release in spite of the objection of many and the security establishment, although i didn't condemn this the even once after me and my friends stood at the prison that day. we tiers our eyes to see of the mother of the 3 chase or he is going free. okay. with this movements and ribbons and flags of i'm us. ok for me. it was a black the. it was a disaster. seymour was given

a hero's welcome. the future mastermind of october 7th, immediately set about expanding his influence and the hum of power structure. and he succeeded in further increasing his popularity. since the moment he came out of prison, he was speaking about doing whatever he can to release his federal prisoners who were left behind. one of the things we have to assume that same wire learned is that is rallies will not to leave anyone behind. and for him, it's a vision to release of the prisoner which is a very sensitive point with the palestinian society you. when is the mines in the hearts of the people in the society by presenting yourself as the protector of the prisoner, as the savior of the prison,

as the fate of palestinian prisoners in his way lead jails remains. a major issue in concert send war knows that in exchange for is wally hostages. he could secure that release. his actions do strongly suggest that he learned that taking hostages could be extremely effective. but we can see the t decided that can do much more. i can go for it massive release of prisoners not for mussing, but something much bigger. i can undermine the foundations of is are the security of is early set confidence. that's where he was at israel was initially unaware of these plans and war appear to be focused on gaza and his own rise to power. seeing what comes out of prison was few office trusted coverage

. very quickly. he moved aside all the leaves in holding it. somebody letting you know which was after the cool thing, guys are the prime minister of a. i'm us government nia, who was killed in tehran in 2024 left for caught our son war, and his man wasted no time. they take over the political bureau. becky, was a people from the military branch, the ability to collect data. she is paralyzed sent outside the guys uh, he moved the circuit to god the center for follow through guys. and so at the 1st time of the last decade of the fall of sense or will some of us came to be in gaza and not the roads with the exact government. ok. in internal

elections in 2017. yes. yes. and wire was made head of hummus and gaza. she knew how to mobilize, his people come us has established itself and rooted itself with them. for the student, gen consciousness, whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it or not, that i personally will say, i don't agree with every single. most of the time. us says, when you are a victim, you are being in the corner. you are being beaten every day. and you have a hand is being extended to you. you've been a whole to the 10, no matter what is that, then. it's as simple as that. so seen, well, it came with the was division of g. we create the, the special forces the know about those that penetrated is a you, we establish the possibilities of the, of come us to fight is way in a better way than a then before an important tool in the fight against,

as we'll tunnels under the hamas regime, a network of underground tunnels has been built throughout the gaza strip over the years. so thought it was easy, the way for them to hide from his radio force in a be them or so to have all these plans that there they have been the producing me sides in the real kits a new way that these way we not be able to way from the air to way to as long as they're sent to the over 1000 tunnels and the gaza strip off and kilometers long. the network is known as the gaza. metro from us controls both the construction and operation of the tunnels. weapons are manufactured and transported here from us fighters, for example. they go water pipes to use for the construction of rockets as how much

demonstrates in this video posted online. there's something so troubling about the idea of water pipes, pipes that carry the essence of life being used to create instruments of murder. and it tells us something about the state of mind of how most spiders it's, it's essentially become a kind of deaf call. this is so for lives in the rub because it's let me thoughts is the off the life not the life in these words we uh, we don't understand it because we have the western way of thinking commodities about one thing, which is the reputation of the state of israel, from the point of view, it takes precedence over anything else, including the wellbeing of the population. rockets and resolves in the holy

war against the table is legitimate. this is it. it's as simple as that. how much can also count on its powerful allies? i'm sure it was done with the support of iran and his butler because they are also doing some things in their countries. in september 2020 israel signed the abraham accords with the united arab emirates, and bach rain mediated by the us with the later additions of morocco and so done, the focus was on establishing diplomatic relations occurred for benjamin netanyahu . well, palestinians were brushed aside the 1st as rarely scheduled flight to the emory it's a symbol of a normalization of ties. there was a big disappointment in seeing the level actually of normalization that was happening. the, the,

the daily continue was flights of as early you chose to do by and during parties and celebrations, and business ventures over there, and back and forth, flying over us as part of cindy and both sides as, as we are still suffering under this occupation. diesel a be supported by signing the abraham accords and reaching an agreement with saudi arabia on the as rainy government under nothing. yahoo though trying to bypass the promise damian's altogether. so you can to hear about us. this is the typical behavior of a child who covers its eyes with the times when it's afraid will comp deal with a situation. most of the will be punished, people won't get income. the high point of this normalization was the 1st visit. buying is wally president, abu dhabi israel celebrated the deal as a major turning point. but for the palestinians is represented the threat, relegating the question of their future to the margins. they protested angry lee

against this perceived betrayal. the, i think, published a news and many other people in the board to the tablet home accords to present to those who signed it, bid on to present the hopes and the conscience investigate ation of the admissions at of course some of the pedestal news. and i think get the upper home accords or another tools to deny palestinian history and publish them in traits the published it is good greatly benefits from a broader they should be part of that process, but they should not have a veto over the process. he very arrogantly thoughts the take on the shop into the police sting in space. the fact that he is about to sign a deal with. so do you ever have you or even though the saudis insisted that passed

away towards the police team in the state be part of the deal. the whole middle eastern, a new middle east on the walls of an on the map. no guns, no westbank, a psychological trigger of pass palestinian trauma. but we do something else. i think there was a direct correlation between the tax of october 7th and the accords. that's what happened, especially with so there were a bill where the gaza strip, how i'm us, the political solution for the, for the indian situation was neglected. my opinion is, uh, how about us was trying to reclaim a power position in the negotiations in determining what is the future instead of being marginalized. then there is the unresolved issue of the as rarely settlements in the west bank and east jerusalem, which violates international law. now, 150 of them with more than 700000 inhabitants. that means one in fort tina's

wiley's now lives in the occupied westbank, including east jerusalem. natania, whose far right governments cleans the exclusive right to what it calls the to day and samaria area. the west bank. the settlers ken trait their political power for the wish by li, good in general, and that done, you know, personally, to rule over israel. so the tail is wagging the dog. is there any, is a project, it's a movement. it's something that is all of that time extending all the time. once more land, more houses grabbing more land with list spell as the list for the scenes more lab . so this is, this brings back all the time. does that mean? what is of the fact that many palestinians feel totally traumatized by the

experience of having soldiers checks them before they can cross a board or more obvious triggers of time for palestinians are taking of a house. obviously, any kind of military action, any kind of is a really violence is a trauma trigger for palestinians is slow, but does keep the i think there are true during the thank it's on both sides. diesel is riley ministry violence terrifies the palestinians, and rightly so here's how they're afraid that they might be driven out again. foster 3 again to list unc sandy is ryan, is a ron k afraid that tara attacks against israel and people again we planned and carried out to development. i think what we are doing in the west bank was more and more points or sets. this is going the future of the is

a jewish state. no question about this. situation escalated it further in spring 2021. it began with protests and the chaise, tara neighborhood in east jerusalem against an anticipated court decision to evict palestinians from their homes. to make way for his wally settlers, i think the shades of became a symbolic expression of, of the ethnic cleansing campaign that's happening in the round digital sort of. and then especially because it was led by very extreme village settlers. that's for engaging in this. and then they made it very, very clear. they're demonizing their attacks. they're insults of the palestinians that were living there and taking homes and removing the furniture or throwing it out in such a brutal way was, was a wake up call for many people that this, this is a continuation palestinians and some left wing, as whaley's protested against the fictions, amid this he through the atmosphere,

clashes broke out on the temple mount, and his manly police stormed the oaks, a mosque. the 3rd holy a shrine for muslims. thomas took advantage of the palestinians, outraged the most sore feet to portray itself as the guardian of the holy place. locks up in jerusalem. how must fired rockets b as rarely response was harsh, as usual for once again broke out with hundreds killed. yes, yes. and was house and the gaza strip was also destroyed in an attack. but the moment there was a ceasefire. he came out of the ruins and set in a chair to show, of course that he has survived that he will persist. and um, yes,

it was an act of defiance after this particular operations. israel believed erroneously the come us would be the toad as the chief intelligence at the time said that is 2 and a half years ago. they will be the to, for the next 5 years. at least. tell us out what's wrong in early 202310 months before october 7th, israel had its own worries. the country was rocked by demonstrations. hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the government's controversial judicial reform and curtailing the power of the supreme court. net on yahoo was under increasing pressure day where intelligence reports on quotes from us that they understand that the situation in these room is very bad because of the dispute. about the d. c. l, a,

a reform. at the same time, the idea of was monitoring suspicious activity on the board, or with casa supporters. you know, they for, to 2 or 3 weeks before the offensive, they watched and, and they, so all the training and you by the boulder and they were told, listen, uh, shut your mouth. you know, you know, you know, nothing about the strategy because we know that there the tell them there is no, no script. but i think that a don't want to see something you won't see it is really was watching carefully at the some us channels. and from us the v and radio and use papers, the main slogan was, do you had you had you had something was evidently brewing and the kansas strip. amphibious landings, dummy tanks, house to house fighting in september, armed palestinian groups carried out joint trails for these situations is really

media every forwarded on these exercises. but the government did nothing yet. intelligence had long been in possession of the so called jericho wall plan, almost blueprint for a large scale attack. we had the plans, we had hold, we got hold of, you know, lots of documents that, that the trinity said what they're planning on doing. it wasn't even a secret, most of it the question, if it's more, it really was res, 3 or 4 days before the attack. and everybody said, or from the intelligence system that it's only dreams, it's only trade an extraordinary miscalculation with terrible consequences. at this point in his real people felt safe so safe. in fact, that a music festival was held near the cause a strip. it's on

a bite. we left the house at about midnight. people had said it was going to be a huge festival accidental. my oldest had been brought in from abroad and it was going to be really cool. an opportunity to celebrate or know, trying to see if i didn't ask where it was happening. because i knew always then i saw gaza on the navigation and asked how come were so close to gaza? tag. i know when we arrived, i saw a lot of police security and military and thought, oh okay, we're safe here. it will be fine. worst case scenario there might be rocket fire. maxine will be attending the not as good that i can't describe the feeling. it was the greatest 6 hours of my life. we were jumping around enjoying ourselves. it was more than just music. we must have the whole, they may have the more they come. talk. tobar 6th around $4000.00 people

came together to dance and the negative desert. just 5 kilometers from the border to garza. on the other side of the fence from us was beginning. there were salt on israel, phase one, 1st of all, they activated all those little phones, which is really seem cards which have been bought freely on these really market. this was one of the signs that from users point to few should have brought the whole army on the board. if they wanted to communicate, they couldn't have used the police thing and phones wanted to operate that into it is, well, the problem was that we fated one. this then that's this activation could you could be for only one purpose in tel aviv alarm. so we're going off among the intelligence community. we know that a, there was a visual meeting, go face the heads of the military and they understood this something,

something different is happening. and the they decided to talk again don't in the morning, too late. the attack began that same night somewhere around 4 o'clock in the morning. the people in on the side of some us were doing you most in other places. so you have an unbelievable situation in which $3000.00 how much fighters are called to the most, not by phones or any rate you buy messages. physically instructed to pick up the weapons from home and re bought for duty. they still don't know, they are going on the tech. they think it's a dream. most of one of the places where on during these they have immunization and everything. only a handful of c'mon, those new really nothing's going for real. the low level and, and i spoke with fire of them. they knew about it only in the morning early in the

morning. 6 29 am how most launched, thousands of rockets just started was real k. it's a new size. and because they knew that these ways are used to me sizes walking across the country, all sorties declared red alert. it's not a regular campaign. you shoot 30024000. you can see on tv screen all over the country all over the country. there is an artillery of besides so many people understood, it doesn't mean that there's going to be an infiltration, but nobody so that it would be next week. the rocket, the garage, was meant to cover up for the real motive of the operation. most fighters used aerial drones to drop coordinates on the towers,

disabling the cameras sensors and automatic guns. what some us cleverly flint was to pete goes very sensors in the 1st moments of the attack, shooting very simply some 3000 heavily armed fighters from hamas and other militias advanced to the board defense. when they were on the fence, they told all of the warriors, it's not the real we are going in and then they explode. defense in dozens of points on defense. seen war has decided, i think fairly last minute to go for 64 points. crossing points into is ryan instead of 4 or 5, you know, to grab hostages,

go back, and that the goal shades the, an exchange every unit was in charge of a specific place. you are in charge of that community, terry base. you're in charge of that city, you're in charge of that 2 boats. so everyone has a mission. they can feed 3 of these was kudos pickup trucks. they didn't know by the other machines. okay. they were very focused, very specific. and that's how it was so well. great. so it's thousands of how most terrorist storm the border, how most new, the israeli army wouldn't be fully operational. because october 7th was a jewish holiday. and to numerous troops had already been deployed to the us bank. defensive, strong points were over run, then they attacked and motorized power gliders on the way, the clash in to the music festival was

a surprise. they didn't have intelligence about the sparky. well this festival head . okay, but the, it was a very good for them. thousands of targets the festival organizers were informed that an attack was under way. suddenly the music stopped. the case, i shall live and i looked up at the sky and saw what looked like fireworks. log on to the tom. i don't want to come by. we were by the dance floor and saw dro and then wave to issue the mission. we thought it was part of the event in was photographing the festival. the one of the machine, bob, thank goodness. no,

don't go. it seems more. yeah. and we heard the shots coming closer and closer but i just want to kind of see what's available. tend to push with the fields. suddenly there was a truck in front of us and they ran at us and shot at the car. imagine we jumped out of the car and started running to me for people next to me were falling over. i didn't understand what was happening just showed that i had to stop like my legs were shaking. i couldn't run for a shot. there was smoke everywhere, and shots being fired above me, my life lovable. i didn't see my life flash before me. the way they say you do is you to, i just lay there and saw on, you know, is this how i'm going to die? more than 350 young people were murdered by hum us. it was

a massacre around 40 people were taken hostage at the festival and taken, took asa more and more fighters cross the open fence into israel. once it started a load. as is to joy and then suddenly, before that, you know, i've never been trained to cross the for the and when to put on their frustration. and again, it was i t on the pool victims that were that the is or the villages and towns are so close to the boulder 5 minutes, sometimes walking, sometimes running the ordinary needs these to cross several points. and now within the they can see once across and if it's became a jungle of warfare on the other side, how most terrorists also attacked the keyboards near was many of the residents were

still asleep. the militants fired at anyone, they saw the sawdust. i heard voices in arabic, shouts screams, shall a terrible noises mean explosions. and i realized they weren't just rockets. from after about an hour's walk, we managed to get into to the mean keyboard. see your or engineer. we are here in the heart of the settlement. the initial set at half past 8 in the morning. i got a message from my ex husband who is with our children life saying there was a terrorist in the house. they jumped out of the window of the safe room and were hiding in the bushes. seemed partial out of power was off,

including the air conditioning was dark and hot. and i could hear them coming in with such a lot that they were in my house. they would see by the annual deal. they weren't in a hurry. that's what struck me. they weren't in a hurry, they walked around as if it were their village candles up, social and cooling. they walked around and tubes casually, and they looted invalid. they brought their whole village with them because the young children, the older people, every one was there. and no one came to save us. when i went outside, but i saw houses burning michigan tar cars, everything was broken, ultimately destroyed,

burned for mutilated bodies. so finding was, i began to realize the extent of this catastrophe. sure, sure, a little show we were experiencing a show any. there is no other word for it. i called my family a lunch that my children demand, sir. their father didn't answer the chalet until my mother didn't answer too well. you must. the 5 members of my family had disappeared in more labour which i didn't know where they were english. my mother is 80. no no. yeah. my 13 year old niece is autistic or adult. these dates also failed. the father is my children. it's been the status of my 12 year old son. and my 16 year old daughter, so ha ha, i panicked, they may shortly afterwards

a video appeared online. the showed my son as being taken hostage the same 5 days later i got the official confirmation that they've been taken hostage as one last setup on october 18th. and then there was a knock on our door english and i was informed that my mother and no you had been found in a shelter in a pool of blood for her love, the still need them the, the militants, abducted as well as both

a young and old and took them to gaza. the day planned to capture the 10 to 20 people's. those are the orders and to bring to 140 people was as surprise, was to teach a surprise to us. and for them also. almost every is really know someone who was killed or taken hostage on october. 7th is the bloodiest day in the history of the jewish people since the show on the holocaust. israel was in a state of shock and other trauma. the i look at it backwards and i think it's, it's the looks like looking to be more like a nice soldier's civilian man. woman child. they were all for the,

for from us legitimate targets folder atrocities. it was a messic or it was not the military operation. and it was a risk. the militants had infiltrated 18 kilometers into israel, murdering and taking hostages. it was the beginning of the southern negative was conquered for $48.00. it was carnage. before too long, the question everyone was asking was, how could the state of israel let this happen? the was a combination sort of murphy's law. everything that could be wrong. happened on this, on this day. there was not enough force. people were not in the places, it was a holiday morning. here's ro, in away prepared for a very,

very minor incident. not of for the outbreak of the war as i say. so i am the citizens of israel. we are at more me, nothing operation but not around of finding. that means that will. oh yeah, the enemy will pay an unprecedented price. is real, trying to re gain control, recapture military posts and free hostages to the the feeling was a mixture of shop shame, revenge failure. because israel was uh, shocked out of its equity of room. it took it 3 weeks to prepare a ground operation. the gaza strip was completely sealed off and 360000 reservists mobilized for

a counter attack. i think that the is really leadership feels deep permit to eradicate the terrorist threats. but it's hard not to see that revenge is playing a role. the revenge is not a good thing when you calculate fuel sticks in the wall. okay? but you can know prevented it would be now you have to think that nobody wanted to revenge. it's an all to human impulse, but it is not a good strategy for winning. was very apprehensive and i expected and very eventually the action from is randy's and i remember very well calling my cousin and goes at that time and say, find a way to get out of there. this is going to inflict a disaster a few hours after the mass occurs is real, a tax concept from the air with

a devastating effect. 3 weeks later, it launched a ground offensive with tens of thousands of soldiers. gaza became a battle field and was reduced to rubble. israeli forces began destroying the tunnel network. they also hunted yachts, yachts and war, public enemy number one. but for it showed that he and his family had escaped through the gauze and metro. it was found a camera as vdr as in the tunnels that we entered, it was taken on october, the 7th or 8th. it was found several weeks later. by that time soon war went elsewhere was not seen ever since. i see. is there any way to do whatever possible to kill him, but he is not the guy who's going to die in bed. he's in

a bunch of boys or it's under units so on the off, i don't know. he knows better than anyone or defenders. and of course he's surrounded by a, a hostages. i do believe my information that they were able to get to him. but because of the fear for the lives of hostages, they were straight in israel. the october 7th mastercard has a face this oversized banner intel aviv reeds who benefits from the division. unity. now, seymour is any credibly important symbol for hum us. but especially for the is really people. so we can understand,

or the need the perceived need to get him to feel safe, dusty, so focus exclusively on one person and say once we get him, we will win on how to me. that same pantano seemed to issue the front teeth, i think, seen while he's important, black, beloved, and was important. it's a simple, but we don't have to prolong the wall in order to find him. we might find him in 10 years from now or so is wrote, of course, not finding it better and more clever ways for conducting surgical strikes in order to get the hostages out and to kill seen well are. and his colleagues according to the united nations air strikes and the invasion of the gaza strip, have killed more than 40000 people and injured over 90000, including many women and children. israel defense the large scale attacks by claiming that from us is hiding among the civilian population. the more than

70000 buildings have been destroyed. hundreds of thousands are homeless, hunger disease, and despair are everywhere. they can't even imagine the level of fear on trauma as the population and gaza is living. and now not knowing in any moment if they or members of their family are going to be killed. i lost 70 or more members of my family. of course we lost all our homes, we lost everything they we ever had. ready ready ready the worst part about what's happening now in gaza. ready is that it's being devised, everyone knows about it. everyone can watch what's happening and goes on their screens. and the world has not managed to stop it. ready yet another generation and casa, is living through more becoming traumatized and susceptible to radical as ation. this will not make as well safer. it's correct to say that the people that are now

suffering from easily re b, auntie is right in the future. it's correct. when world war and no one can say, there appears to be no clerical. what is it destiny if any i had once? what is it that is right and why are they trying to eliminate, you know, tell us the news totally. or what is the deal about her l. bell. b c fled the bombings like many others. i had thought we just had a strike here. the hyphen like i know that there was something there was shelling to. so it should i think it was very loud. a little behind it to help with the situation here is dangerous about it's dangerous to be here in the home theaters. it's also dangerous for anyone thinking of returning that's like up until the war. this was the big prison ultimate that enclosed on 3 sides by offense. the 4th signed the see,

have you come on since the war has turned it into a small prism? i a, now there are planes overhead, the bombing trying to kill us, you know, booked a female special or no lives in the south. the north, his home has been completely devastated. the essentially, the worst thing is you don't know where you're going to, where you're going to live on that i, i wonder if you'll ever go home again out of it, the quinoa shaders. i think if not, we left without knowing that we wouldn't come back. but we didn't think it would last 6 months. we send to ourselves maybe a few days, 2 weeks and we'll be back on an online. no, we didn't even take our clothes with us. no documents, no certificates issued nothing that was important to us. since october 7th,

hundreds of thousands of people had been fleeing across garza in search of shelter . there was a lack of water, food, and medical supplies during the us costs. these are normal people from gaza. city highly, they've been on their feet for $200.00 days and you can see it in their eyes. and they're marked by grief and exhaustion. now by unit above all, they've lost hope to continue living there again 100 because there was absolutely nothing left to the entire kind of ship off. there was constant bombing death and destruction everywhere. so there's no safe place left them gaza. there was simply too dangerous in the north. they wanted to drive out the whole population from northern garza, the shore and his family have fled 3 times now. for now, they are camping here on the beach. but on other levels,

these places were uninhabited before the war had been, or is mission as we're experiencing the most terrible form of displacement in the most horrifying way of we have to endorse such cruelties. there are no winners. and this more palestinians are experiencing in men's death and suffering is we'll, is morning. it's dead hoping that the hostages still held by hum us will come home . so but the guys in the button cuz the hostage taking was a horrible experience for the as right as the date this before, the idea that there are still hostages and tunnels and guns that today the women are still being ranked is something that i don't think any is riley can cope with these kind of easily ab. yup,

it won't even come west because you're both innocent citizens that the, a brutal terror organization keeping up and, and the reading, the software that you made you mediation is, is, is unacceptable. aunt is cut out, but you slaves around has to come to a kind of melancholy, some form of depression and of the seal. the faces of the hostages can be seen everywhere in the streets. everyone here knows their names, their stories their relatives in particular continued to protest against annette on the yahoo and his government. like here outside the u. s. embassy in tel aviv, decently stream ryan clean government is keen to continue the war for using a not focused on bringing home the hostages. so sibling, nathan, you did not care about the hostages,

or at least understood that you will not be able to reach his well aim of colleen didn't come us. if you could about the hostages. he said, the reason why you, you had a cell on that then, you know, saying to disseminate your playing into the hands of seeing well, which is of close to over to say to the, to parents of children to, to do. but i know where he comes full of calls seen well and the others know that we are sensitive and know that we are a democratic stay to know the people we demonstrate on the streets. of course the families are keeping up their campaigns and on leasing their anger. this demonstration is in front of the party headquarters of the code. then you may not turn the yahoos party to hostage taking has re triggered the trauma of to show you some us. so i have to, i'm honest, who's playing a remarkably cool game, a kind of psychological fan. so you might continuing to post videos of hostages.

also some place to these that way they get on to the skin, the is really popular with to present some psychologically they hurting us a lot. i mean their attempts to do everything they can to we can us is quite visible and it works. these glimmers of hope are where ring is real. down as color runs, ex husband is still in the hands of some us. her children were released at the end of november, along with $108.00 other hostages in exchange for palestinian prisoners. publishing this time you, my children were missing for 52 days. then they came home. well, can we haven't each other and cried. it is, and i just wasn't sure she had a smile, but he wasn't shock. that's. he still hasn't been able to cry to the stay. salma

cried immediately and didn't stop able to them. and they talked and talked and talked this up there back. i live, but it's not over low. they keep really, they know tobar 7th, the site they live in uncertainty plus and share with the facing that at any moment a terrorist will attack again. somebody to hold on the other home is no longer a safe place, a life. and it seems, i'm gonna look a little bit come in with their innocence has been stolen, high and if there's been literally taken from them and since there's no more happiness, none, it's sort of old them it's, i realize it myself. nothing makes us happy. and more so symmetrical come in as much as we used to be able to enjoy small things. now we can't was never a little cool. it's as if something has been switched off completely. the love of our side is not

over yet. there father is still there. the you can cite this kind of pain. the for over 75 years is re lease and palestinians have been locked in a never ending spiral of trauma. i feel traumatized. this is the bill was long. i was born into the stories of the holocaust. i was raised under was i was soldier in a war and traumatized from my earliest. okay. new research. and if your genetics confirms that the traumatic effect goes for a few generations, that passes from one generation to a few more generations in the future. and i expect the tweet better stadiums are

affected by all these forms. october 7th and the warren casa, have ensured that just another generation of young as a lease and palestinians remain traumatized. the hall is returning to the scene of the mastercard. for the 1st time, she can hear the war and guns are waging in the distance. the fish is a scar that will stay with me my whole life. oh so many people i will never see again.

she's trying to find ways of coping with what she experienced least got i won't sink into sadness and depression, amazon. well that's so that's what they want. gamma story, i won't let it happen. you know, within the imaging cause because a lot of shows not i thought about what i could do personally to tell the story so that people know what really happened to the people that she doberman my car, also to remember my friends who are no longer here she can follow o'con and to be the voice of the people who can no longer speak to the court, surely done by the end of in the disability. and that's how i can know how much really high everybody. thanks for coming. and even ya, a condom is a better that those people i come here and tell my story, and i can't believe it really happened. obviously i can't believe i don't want to call her again. and it was to go names needing says, if i watch videos that i'm in the field anyway,

i see means videos that it happened and i'll be sure to call you i can't believe that such evil existence. i'm ok on a boat because they didn't just come here to kill the motor team here to ma'am, to familiar to degrade us. it was so kind to him. so you might see if the trees could be a news, news they're about to forgiveness after what everyone has been through that seems impossible. trauma research has shown that hurt people are at a higher risk of hurting other people. the claim that hurt people hurt people is not meant to imply that every person who is hurt will hurt others if you being huts . and on top of that to be educated, that you need to be violent towards some people. and you also be educated that your family's being hurt as well,

and that's where people are hearts as well. and you learn of your history and, and ways that you know, contribute to that grievances and that, you know, reading really strong, victimization. then all that will definitely leads to the fact that it will hurt that as i've interviewed a lot of perpetrators all over the world. and what i've noticed is that perpetrators invariably see themselves as victims and perpetrator leaders use that to recruit followers. they tell a story about our victimization in order to mobilize fighters and in fact, where i notice this, the most was in talking to jewish extremist and israel and how mosque members the style mode when trauma is the basis of an identity or

a victim identity before he prevents you from having empathy for others because you want the victim sites sense when should the victim feel empathy for the perpetrator? and by month off, because if you all the vacancy on the, then the other person is the pump of changes on the photo. you know, responsibility is taken for one's own violence on either side. i think about the violence it is accessible about these of your home and sizes. so the 5 has consequences. which responsibility must be taken to become by dis instead both sides of the victim narrative. you said magenta mines is that finance and relieves them of responsibility for the up and the consequence of always seeing one's self as the victim. and the other as a perpetrator is that it becomes possible to commit atrocities. and i think that applies to both sides. bashar is trying to help heal the trauma his way by dancing with the children in

the refugee camp. so it will say to the adults with the difficulty of dance training specifically for children depends on the teacher and be and even both of the teachers are under enormous pressure and have to develop a sense of how the children are doing for the kids fun. everyone has their own story, their own cultural background. and now they're all here together in this place. robust site that i definitely yeah, the seats and i come with that. it is so it can be hard to pull myself together when i'm teaching like i can let them not have to keep showing them that i'm full of positive energy or something like that, which i want to communicate to the children to view them so that they learn to love dance as much as i do to be met. so the interest of them and then i use the traditional job to them to try to fight the negative energy around us. and that is the only way we can get through this and

i'll have to spite the circumstances we do our best to put a smile on their faces. so you know what? i think they're all happy and enjoying the sphere we create all have i think that in their minds the far away from the war. is there any help? any way out this thing could suffice? i mean, i thing to scientific home for the die that will have both being severely traumatized can find a way to reach one another in shopping distance. get me in the shadow of a shared experience of trauma. they could develop empathy for one another and 3, come through, i know, but i think the exact opposite has happened in israel and among the palestinians. some type of sealed empathy is very, very important. things think it's, it's h,

what will allow for people to start communicating again, the understanding of both a societies of this realm of the other side is very important in order to reconcile . no question about that. i don't think that there is the groups in both sides, small groups that out talking to each other, families that there is signs of adults as with kids. it's very small numbers and i don't see it in the near future is helping me. i don't believe that the only wrote a piece is fine trauma therapy. we simply don't have the time for that site. that's why i believe peace negotiations. mazda begins, only then come on, begin to deal with their respective trauma. so is that on the schools that were not there yet not there yet. the . ringback

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