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the training quincy starts your top line get inside the the got c o and eyes, the goals of god, but would even be housed and it was a full time on kind of professionals that germany is seeing a shift to the right. people here are protesting against the far right because they were afraid that history could repeat itself is the worst part of german history, the nazi era. after that, we said never again. but could it happen again?
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the, in the well, i'm in frankfort. 35000 people have gathered to protest following revelations of a secret meeting of 4 right groups, including the alternative for germany party or a s p i think people need to understand the space to do for you in front of those who are now voting for the f d, for example, either in protest or simply because other parties aren't strong enough, but they need to be aware that this was what motivated people in the past to. they said we're not right wing, but in this and that, but in the exact same phrases are being used now people are saying and thinking the
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same things and it will ultimately lead to the same result. now, i feel like we're on the cusp of 1933. i study history a lot and we're almost at that point so that i think where are the some of the movements where society can turn? it's very, very important to remember. we learned or less than last time and it's time to wake up. can we really compare today to then to find out. i'm heading to the city of i'ma, where germany's 1st democratic constitution was signed in 1919. in the years that followed out of hitler's nazi party became established to his seizure of power in 1933 mark the end of the weimar republic and its democracy. weimar is a place steep in symbolism which hitler exploited for his own message.
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as early as 1926, the nazis held a major party conference in via later the field received a euphoric reception. here the funeral was greeted with tears from the crowd's environment. the regional capital of the range of his convoy drove by auto peddler square to the house of a fond hotel. some house i've arranged to meet sunk a mile, but she's a historian and the nazis or a national socialists are her specialist feels particularly here in syringe. yeah, i asked her if history could repeat itself. now, i know i don't believe that history repeats itself. it shouldn't, i think these kinds of analogies are important because they can highlight the fact that our society or our politics may be in danger placed in the size of the field and they can reveal central's threat to democracy. come on, dustin will quotation
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a show that democracy can also fail and that democracy can fail, suddenly shifts no one's in rhode island. there are major differences between german society and 1933 and now in 2024. and that means any analogy quickly reaches its limits on the other events. so what exactly happened in 1933. on january 30th, the nazis paraded through the center of berlin. they had finally made it into the government. although the national socialist scott, just 33 percent of the vote, hitler was appointed chancellor. the conservatives brought him into the cabinet, believing they could keep him in check. but hitler had already made it quite clear what he would do once in power. to tie it off
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in february 1933, a fire at the high stock parliament building allowed hitler to get an emergency. decree passed suspending civil liberties a campaign of intimidation and a huge propaganda. dr. health denazi's when the national election a month later, they then passed the enabling act, allowing hitler to rule by decree and bypass parliament. the hitler was a dictator within a few months or other parties with disbanded the knots education of germany, or like shy to him as hitler called it had begun. and he started planning ambitious building projects like the gulf of them environment, a huge complex and headquarters of the nazi party in through india, a demonstration of power that still stands today use us
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in the nazi era. so now this was the gals lauren plant back in 1933 showed north and were not high on the highest plan. it was designed as a model side for national socialism and during the day or which was regarded as a model region or model go as the nazis called in stock. i got it. what does it mean to be a model go as into using the nazis had already had great success and through india before 1933. what was it i forgot truly about of india was the 1st day to have a nazi minister in the cabinet after the election of december 1929 step by and did send on once and without knowing on sundays him. then humphrey, who later became hitler's interior minister at the national level was 1st interior minister here in syringe. here in a conservative coalition, the hatch was will link and all you tried to get all left wingers out of administrative positions and stuff. communists from the coming may years or teachers for example mice. what do i need that somebody should be
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a excess of the quick. he also had the portfolio for education, where he tried to reshape the culture to bring about a kind of national socialist transformation of society. and politics just item that is a shock than deputy take in fact, so let's move out. and so what was the mood like among ordinary people? how could it come to this is global. i think many people had a real sense of crisis after the 1st world war and the economic crisis that followed. interesting. asked music. seek. not the bookshop, german use suffered hyper inflation in the 1920s pile. and then at the end of the 1920s, there was a major economic crisis. actually a global economic crisis, which just sees in a bed by to which of these a little golf situation in germany was very unstable. to take a stop in because i'm in the up a circle, i'm just there was a general feeling among the population that they were sinking into chaos and water
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and use, for example, were blamed for this as were those on the left of the political spectrum, machine what they were accused of plunging the republic into even deeper chaos. do you go to watch one? so people were just hoping that the nazis would bring about a return to a 6 your in orderly society, to show up on go off not to cause a shift. instead, the nazis unleashed a 2nd world war, in which more than 70000000 people would die. and in the holocaust, the nazi set up a regime of systematic murder, killing more than 6000000 jews. today, a monument in berlin remembers the jews murdered under hitler. but not everyone approves of it. like germany's best known, far right politician. the leader of the, of the party in syringe, yet beyond hookah. we germans, our people are the only people in the world haven't planted
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a monument of shame in the heart of its capital. we will take back our germany bit by bit. the se now has seats in nearly all the state parliament and the federal parliament during elections and 3 eastern german states. and september 2024. the party got around one 3rd of the vote. the range you actually got. it's 1st a, if the district administrator, more than a year earlier, the district has made history of the d as now mainstream tardies here in the region . the rims. yeah. and in germany as a whole and opened up was a little bit thoughts on, on the call. sonya back zone about was a strong hold at the national socialists in the early 1930 in zeus and in case so comparisons are bound to be made. would keep the sweat and perhaps there could be
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something like a right wing political culture that has remained more or less under ground disease, shamia, or vinegar. i think the analogy should not be overstated. supplies finish of all dusty on because i would say that the a of these electoral wins are taking place in a different society or for good. yeah, that's reflected in the demonstrations against the far right in many cities and through india time you know, in yena and airport, but also invite ma and other smaller cities of environment. so this civil society that established itself after german reunification needs to be taken into account up. you listen to thank you to open question on seeing one man who has been observing political developments in germany. all his life is got bone. he was born in 1932 and grew up under the nazis. it was germany's interior minister in the late 19 seventies and early eighties and had to do with a left wing, terra group, the red army faction. these names, how do you see the current shift to the right in germany other be
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a huge have and mine of through my long life. and i've never seen such a concentration of problems and threats as we have no company. emma, except that have always been extreme. some is there have always been extreme us. how about i know so is your but there's never been such a concentration of recess. she came to us and that is the difference between people who hold extreme opinions and those who represent an aggressive form of racism. cuz even says most update on does is that is the hallmark of the far right e, f. d party and others in this country of the growth of the right wing. these items, right wayne extremism basic service is by no means limited to the. do you think it's present in wider society to stick varies, but it is also present in the middle classes going to do about cycle. does he have us on this fundamental belief that the people i need to be defended certificate in
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the summer presumptuous enough to define who the people are up to? this is absolutely against the constitution sets for the constitution states that the dignity of every human being that lives here must be protected. they can, you and anyone who negates that like the, the lot. this is acting as the constitutional court has ruled lights. and nancy's is quite clear as national socialists. we've been living under a band since 1945. we can't do anything in a straightforward way at a normal parliamentary level because they won't let us just then we have to take a roundabout way. this includes creating front organizations or using the democratic mechanisms available to become a political force in this country of outside of pollution companies want to be in this archive footage is from the 1980s here, neo nazis in the central german state of hess and were quite open about their desire to turn back the clock to 1933,
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using democratic mechanisms. just like the nazis dead. the, i'm fun for an election night in frankfort at 3 pm. shortly before the deadline, mikhail conan submitted a 186 signatures of support on certificates of eligibility and needed to stand on. formerly at least the not true and alice, i'm loom party or n s, has met the criteria for running and the local elections in frankfort. it's less name for the nurse, i. and obviously not because the given a hitler salute is illegal in germany. they called acumen and silver instead, myisha i could and was a leading neo nazi in west germany in the 19 eighties and comrades,
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so long as you don't allow yourself to be stopped, we will be unstoppable, finished, too. and i'll be unstoppable as long as you have faith in me, but in the end, there will be a revolution. and it will be more radical than last time. in 1989, the small town of long and near frankfort suddenly found itself at the center of the far right movement. like to ask the neo nazis wanted long and to become the 1st city in germany without any non german residents. no, such as schmidt has researched the history of right wing extremism here in south western germany. you can, what approach did they take here? now, do you come in from basically they salt publicity you from fedex? so they handed the leaflets and organize information stand and above all tried to raise doubts and people's minds, but they're very racist high rates to help them and never physical. and that by who didn't was very media savvy and approved in that respect,
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impressive pool. if you could business on the use very well, if you went public with his provocative ideas, he would get some media a response from the otherwise they repeatedly tried to cause unrest on the street to say he might be defensive children. the wolf just tossed off to the how successful was communion with his approach and that's the existing step in terms of the publicity, he was able to achieve that regardless of the essay, he never succeeded with his election listed on get these 2 tier the local elections ones with his national, those i'm a little under the slogan, implement the will of the people foreigners, i think that never weren't needed on the but that wasn't his goal. and since he wasn't expecting to make it into parliament, but the small numbers they had, they basically use the elections or election campaigns to gain publicity and then that they were successful in cologne as his wife. and so they weren't trying to field the next mayor of london. the goal was just to get as much attention as possible. i'm kinda going off the exact weight and that's and they were hardly
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nancy's, and this was how they weren't interested in parliamentary democracy unit. and they ultimately want to do a full list of parliament by the name of this group was always to rebuild the nazi party email as they saw themselves as a new se, stormtroopers, yvonne of the openly denied the whole the cost of rec, screamingly violent after german reunification they also moved into east germany, increased the mercy of hundreds of supporters of germany's foremost neo nazi me. kind of to noon, marched through dresden at the end of october. he's still mobilized as the most followers, despite spending years in prison and in spite of infighting within his movements collection of reunification has given him and his followers and new ideas is slide up. unfortunately, reunification did not bring the unity we hoped for. to review the on a revolution that sweeps the occupying powers out of our country. fake. i never
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heard of you on a revolution that sweeps the foreigners out of our country. we want to take to the streets again and we will take to the streets again until germany is truly german. this sounds like the of these re migration plans, although michigan couldn't never use the term. i'm driving to group and a small eastern town on the polish border here too. right wing extremism flourished in the 19 ninety's. i'm meeting with a woman who experienced it 1st hand. cotton was regularly harassed by neo nazis. she still feels the need to protect herself and wants to remain anonymous by open with a very, very right wing town. it started after re unification and continued for a long time. the town was in a big muddle, a kind of back you. there used to be a lot of industry here and a lot of jobs. but all the businesses went bankrupt with an issue in the space of time. everything closed down and people who are unemployed. it was
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a very gloomy atmosphere and these pushed them. there was a discontent in the sense that people could no longer find their way in this new country. and that's what, at the same time, there was this sense that the foreigners were getting everything finance for them and didn't have to worry. so people made this totally what connection and is that speak effective front of on a spot, and it was somehow cool to be right when a scar, a lot of young people who jumped on that bandwagon to discuss this. they were skinheads or combat boots and farmer jackins you, hobbies and their hobby on the weekend was to ambush us. lift is hard to beat us up and chase us and they targeted immigrants to i'll send us a for, for them. in august 1992. right. we add to this in the eastern city of roster lashed out as migraines. and then we can move on mecklenburg or le hundreds of neo nazis of skinheads and
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other rioters attacked essential a substance center for asylum seekers in the states. they shouted abuse these people up and through them all the top cocktails is to allow. i know it's just me and my compatriots here on the house and then we're at our wits end, the listing controller, these fitness i'm skins, the spectators applauding of the worst pets are the highest and the 10 sites are encouraged. the extreme is even more when they give them protection when the police move in fees for the site that the, the downside is is moving on november 23rd. the murder is hatred targeted. those went till now were thought to be fully integrated. here the migrants where i lived and worked in germany for decades to me and not to set fire to homes and none killing to a turkish children. and one woman by the end of the year,
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a right wing extremist had murdered 17 people and the like. never before and the history of the federal republic of germany has terre claims. so many lives it to me to, to get close to many were deeply shocked protesters form chains of lights and cities across germany to take a stand against the bar, right. terrorism in munich, more than 400000 people, took to the streets on december 6th, 1992 yet that same night the government agreed to tighten germany's laws on asylum, the back to good and 25 years ago, right when xena phobia claimed to live here to a small group gathers at the scene of the crime every year,
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the interval, whatever remembrance we cannot learn from history. that is why we're here today to this course. to remember the moves are that happens in this month. i called at the murder to and on and also to warn that it was never happened again and see if you put in some reason brandon burger and investigating a group of right wing youths for being blamed for the death of an algeria and asylum seeker in globin, you must, in the case made headlines across germany. oh, jerry and asylum seeker. if i read gwen tool, was chase down by 11 use, he broke through the glass door of a house to escape, injured himself and bled to death. the youths were known to be right with extreme est, and we're not afraid to show it in court. they came in there trademark bomber jackets and combat boots,
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but they got off with warnings and light sentences under juvenile law. some only got suspended sentences. he's a good and we always use this commemoration to highlight the current activities of neo nazis in the races, discourses that are gaining strength in the center of our society. i'm stuck of them and it also in there are still blank spots on germany's map portion on where there has been no anti nazi demonstrations up ended up. i kind of north either because the kind of people who would want to organize them of left or because people are too afraid to unfortunately do from the valve of side. no, you would certainly fit with the answers. we got from trades people when we asked them to support the demo that much, much to, to let me quote some to you know, you can just simply by support your cause. i think what you're doing is good, but i'm afraid that my store will be burned down like other men different or i'm
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afraid that someone will come and smash my windows. no doubt the cold people no longer dare to stand up publicly for the values that should be universal officers. the mayor of group and is also here for nathan and is democracy working here in globin is people who speak up fear for their own. well, being with companies of the i just on the phone with the i don't believe any member of the city council here would be afraid to express their opinions in the mind. it may be different among trades people. they're worried about their clientele, and they'll have 20 to 30 percent actually vote for the a, f d. those are reports. potential customers will tend to your all so i can understand the business. people who say i'm going to stay out of politics to a certain extent. so pretty much the for the whole group and has $20000.00 inhabitants. 300 people intended the demonstration against right wing extremism. that must feel very different to demonstrating in a big city with tens of thousands of people. the cabin was also there. and that's
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the we'll have to get the demo that we organize. it happened, they were about 15 to 20 nazis present, to in my opinion, are willing to resort to violence. i to not just on the they want it to disrupt the demo and i think their aim was to break it up to, to, to go in there and indeterminate people and separate them to put one vision on us and, and that's a choice. and then saw some familiar faces the same gun, somebody made their normal members of society. and one of the people who was there is a late judge and the district court. another is a dental assistant. so these are people you can meet at any time from kind of sleeping is a small town, so you're bound to run into each other. here you're going big. that's what said like for you as a smart. but me just means that when i go shopping,
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for example, before, when i'm in a public place, i'm always looking for indicators that might tell me if this person could potentially be a threat. untruths go seem con, i'm wondering what their political convictions are, but it's no longer as easy as it was in the ninety's us in the 90s it was very easy in the today's nazis no longer where combat too much with white laces are they are much better disguised isn't cheapest, are good times and they are building up structures their own think tax networks and channels have they already arrived in the middle of german society? is there a genuine risk of the country repeating? it's not the past. i'm back in syringe yet to meet stuff on comma, the head of the regional intelligence service. he should be able to tell me if i need to be worried. welcome, then what's the greatest threat to our society in terms of the far right. i know
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for 1st we happen in french, great wing extreme, this movement mission to in tooling about not only in through india and the whole of germany, this doubleclick. i'm the limit i had thing or the dangerous thing about it. and what makes it different from previous years is that the right wing extremists are now working together in a coordinated manner. and i'd like to explore this, this was sent over the past several years. this movement has started conquering more and more areas of society, culminating in the fact that the f d mazda use now not only represented in nearly all state parliament, as well as in the federal parliament if the are also getting respectable, parliamentary majority cit, tablet problem, entirely sure. mia hyphen women in recent years see the far right has managed to create a claim. it must be yours to answer to the point of conducting purges and so some of which are already being carried out in mirrors. officers and district cancels and thoughts and don't wish to see what's going on with the so only those who fall in line are rewarded. so to speak, the of isn't, yeah,
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i'm going the basically what we now have a situation where the party i supported in some cases by a 3rd of the electorate from already has such a majority in parliament to the end up taking on government responsibility on to the for at least helping to shape the government the agenda started owns and when the exercise their parliamentary right jim? so for example, by sitting on the parliamentary control condition for the intelligent surfaces. besides those are good. now they then have oversight and control over those who as part of a stable democracy are supposed to fight to precisely these enemies of the constitution him from home, as even so it comes full circle. i don't believe that's what the mothers and fathers of our constitution had in mind and then click the history repeat itself and it sounds to be a 100. and so you understand, at least we have seen in many places that history can repeat itself. record is the federal republic of germany, of volume, our republic to date, no, not yet sent up at the bottom. so these are the events that we are currently experiencing for,
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including the strengthening of enemies of the constitution that some were already in parliament. i can get their hands and the leaders of power. let me this is this comparable to the status of the in that sees in the volume or republic and then under national socialism itself, he's done supply. yeah, i would say quite clearly. yes, it's comparable. and that should make us think of the started my research. i thought these comparisons to 1933 might be a bit far fetched. i but now i realize it's a scenario that is not impossible the much the environment trends technologies come is digitalization
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