your excellency, now goal, i'm going back for incidentals now. media, thank you so much for joining us here on dw. thank you very much. the nigeria is back said the new president last year when he took over the german shapes of the west, african regional block aquila. he pledge to boost his country's influence. after years of inward looking administration, economic malaise and security challenges. i spoke about that with the countries for ministry use of to got in a special conflicts own from the berlin global dialogue. how does he see nigeria stepping up with the leadership role when it confronts a domino of crews on its doorstep? foreign powers positioning for influence on the continent. the conflict into down and citizens leading nigeria in the face of economic and security fear. jerry and foreign minister use of took our thank you so much for joining us on conflicts on

from the berlin global dialogue. thank you for having me. let's beginning your region west africa. your government aims to reassert its influence after years of inward looking administrations. but you've had this domino of cruise on your doorstep in this a hell new share, molly and burkina faso, all following to military governments. it's not going to be an easy task, is it is not easy, but you have to look at the root causes of what we're facing today. the unconstitutional changes of government. they are a direct result of the failure of the user head strategy. the direct result of the, um uh the beginning dawn of the good that she's regina in, uh, in the, in libya they are of course a direct result of, uh, uh, trying to cubs the migration and the fight against terrorism. and

the fact that nigeria was not included in quite a number of these initiatives. and with those factors in mind, what does it mean for you in actual practice? because you're the big player in echo us. and this is the economic community of west african states. it's been key to your influence in the region, and now you have new share, malia and burkina, faso not only withdrawing their membership from echo oscar. they are also forming their own alliance. the alliance of so health states your zone of instant language shrinking. isn't it? no, it's not. we continue to engage new share. my leave or it's, you know, for us on other countries. we don't see them. and the thing simply by, from noticing that they've left, there's a process of these countries i signature used to the echo us protocol. it's treaties of events. so it takes time. i'm in the meantime, we continue with full on diplomatic efforts. don't interrupt me. i know you,

i know you're fond of doing that, the cheap because i'll interrupt you to a cheap so that's that they would. so we continue on. you have to do things even within the f plus a community. you've got the manual revise you've got uh we are part of the admin j t f for instance. so there's nothing wrong with having such a groupings as being part of uh, of course. so it does not necessarily stand that it means that the standing conflicts with that with but ultimately i mean, they don't seem as if they're interested in rejoining any time. so well, unfortunately, you will see, some impossibility of that would be joining in the next 2 days. oh, you would do virginia to make these diplomatic efforts. we're making headway. it's a process, it's not an event. when your president took over as chair of ek last last year, he said the following, and i'd like to to quote him. he says he would not allow qu after qu in west africa, and that you must not sit in echo s as quote, tooth list, bull docs. you know,

when we look at the situation in echo, as equis failed to make good on a threat to militarily intervene to stop the coo and new share. because uh, the concern is the is and then the lift is low bank searches. then you lifted the sanctions that were intended to pressure up was, is the community has as well since they've become a toothless both the community. so the priority is the people and not the states, not the system of government. and we will make rational decisions just as we did the i, the threats of the use of force was one of several options. and that's a wait for me, but you didn't make good on it. so. so the question is, how can you put a view on the net care and age what it was was about what you were looking for now on the dial me him on the keels? i've seen the non was so that's why we did not. well, i'm asking you that because you, you have rational,

i've to have the layout it evaluated it under decided to wasn't the best thing to do. and the diplomatic efforts to continue. you have these values though, as echo, as in just like we hi will have them we made on the economic integration but also peace and democracy. i mean you, you really pride yourself ization and nigeria as being a nice and my wish in those countries. how are you re presenting the balance to shipped? sure. with that in room for how can you like to simply move back to cause a constitutional democracy. okay. where did those values stand in the face of military because they stand in the countries like an idea and other stuff continued to pour them this time with f o us. and this is what we will continue to do. we are a democracy and it was, is the communities of west african states, the priority the focus is on the community of people. so when not just simply to make goods on what we're for now as we're not going to uh just inbox on

some sort of uh, kind of legit just so that you would say, oh yes, they've made good on their what i'd like to turn out to for an influence, cuz you know, we have seen for an influence on the continent and following that's a hell cruise and burkina faso. molly new share that began in 2021. we've seen those countries reorient their security partnerships with french and us troops to now russia. and its proxy is russia is said to have this strategy of driving a wedge between echo us to extend its influence and under cut. the west is that concerning to you, and how concerning it's very concerning. influx, external interference in general, having uh for instance, unless scenarios or a private village companies as a whole or preaching in the region in this a how is, is

a great concern to us and this is why we continue to make a different much efforts. it's been, it's been proven to fail when external forces tried to come into f was to solve problems or to create spheres of influence. you can see what an idea was able to achieve in, in, in sarah new own in liberia. and when it led up to a month and restored peace to the elections and the continued under democratic administration. and this is precisely what we're also doing with the multinational joint task force that is succeeding and the fight against both for hire m uh, in the lakes. at the regents and what the national joint task force is. nigeria, it's new share. it's chad. it's kind of we're going to get to those security issues in this conversation. but 1st, i just like to ask you because you were recently in russia,

you said that you had an interaction with form minister, laughed ralph, were you given any assurances? you said that you essentially reiterated the importance of unity with an echo us. what did the russians have to say? and they told us that uh, they are fully in support of peace in the region. i believe then. well, i'm a diploma. so no we wait to see what's your biggest fear we what is when it rushes right on the continent of the dougherty. i know poverty, i trust but verify. so that's what i do. and what do you make of what you're saying? well, i'm watching and we continue our diplomatic efforts spoken as a diplomat. you, you have done that as a journalist. as you have said,

that your position and i'm hearing it here as well as one of the strategic autonomy and that you work with all countries. so how much pressure, though, are you under to choose a saw, it went to the end because it was, is normally the 1st time you cetera we, we see countries splitting into blocks, right? the spitting into blocks over ukraine to some extent, they're also, you know, splitting the splitting of the box over the, the word that we're seeing on the continent in sudan that's raging. how difficult is it for you to maintain strategic autonomy? it's always a challenge. governance as a whole, diplomacy, being part of the international community is always difficult because as a student of international relations, i know that the international system isn't and i'm not kick one countries fight and fight for the national interests. and because of that it's, it's not a cable. so we're not expecting it to be that, you know,

country expects that. we mentioned security challenges a little bit earlier and i'd like to hit on that now because there are still attacks by groups like i us in, boca her rom and kidnapping for ransom is a huge problem in your country. for example, this year. and just like to highlight a number of incidents gunman have it deducted at least 150 people in support of the state. um 287 students in doing a 200 people in bar. no. how can citizens trust your government if you can't provide the very basic needs for jill from new york? how many people get shots in new york? but we're talking about nigeria. well, i wanted to, you know, i'm making the point that, you know, when you try to highlights incidence every nix, fix on every single incident and highlights. and you've never even been to the idea or you just told me, you know, vince, i forgot. so this is stuff you're getting from the into that. so, you know,

it doesn't necessarily mean that that is all that is going on and they do it in your country. that united states, the, the, the, one of the, the, that the candidates of the, of the bill of the, the leading prices for the presidential elections was which was shots, will start that to do. does that mean you highlight that and just right of the united states of america? i'm just asking you with them. i already have the library and i'm just saying as and the, here's some calling that's coming out of your, your country. and it says that the majority are of the opinion that you're not doing enough to curb kid not, but you try to figure out which one you can focus on on the negative. if you want and create a narrative ought to be. i want to hear what you're doing, but focus on the positive. so we are a country of 220000000 people's. there will be

a acts of violence. there will be conflict, but we remain a deliberative democracy with making rapid progress. it on nation building in development. and majority of nigerians live in peace. it's been said that extreme poverty, especially in rural areas, has made it easy for geologists to continue recruiting among frustrated. you spoke of her rom has been described, still being extremely powerful. no, that's nonsense. i tell nonsense. okay, i don't know where you're getting that from. i know you get all your information so you and i'm about to go to, you've never even been to, you've jumped out the grey homeless, the degree dates. have you been able to get a copy of the house? you have sales or vote for her? i'm let's do a fridge, but it does not mean they don't control any type of truth. ok, so to describe the as that is a certain nonsense. well, it's been described, i very true. you need to check other websites. this one that you downloaded from is

the wrong one. okay, well even if you're able to reduce violence in your country, how are you going to keep it out? let's look at the region more broadly. ok, how clean poverty title is, have securities, focus on the things that we're doing this and this just as you are doing well, just let me finish up with actually on food security analyst have said, for example, i want to look at one aspect of this because and also said that the crews and molly new share and be for keen, a fast to have largely led to an increase in violence like transnational tires on zillow reorganized friday, due to the collapse of uh, but how uh, how big of a lower ratio tackle icon lifetime headphones. so we're having to do with it the g 5. so i have a prism, but a kinase and i 0 is not a part of in comparison to what we will have part of which was eco mode. but we lead success successfully resettle silvio, and we settled liberia and which we're doing with the multinational tassels. that's

an idea for you. i'd like to turn on what they used to call us the goose bus. that's that was the idea. so another potential flash point for your security and then i'd like to turn to the potential flash point virginia and i on this stage we don't have enough flash. why? we're having constructive conversations. okay. but another potential flash point for your comp time on the thank you for not over interrupting me this time around. i think i flipped it go on fair enough. another potential flash point for and i'd like to talk about another potential flash point for your security is the conflict into down the former prime minister of dollar home doc says that he fears the civil war is quote, fertile ground for the spread of regional terrorism. and do you share that fear, or i do not the only, but i share the fear of the repercussions on niger,

i because we have about 8000000. uh so, disney's, uh that of fine and i do an extraction so that we have our largest dashboard is done, which is why, you know, sometimes we wonder why, you know, there's, there's so much to and cry about migration and nice year ends living in your for other parts of the world because this that they've done is our largest dash 4 and it goes back in history because of the pilgrimage to mecca and fluids for us. black. um, so historically you have lots of nigerians in done so that's why we're getting abroad. but unlike other countries, we took our time window of the terrain. that's why it's always good to work with those know the environment from the jury. we did not want

a situation where we get involved and then would deem to be taking sides in the conference was really want a resolution to the so where does your foreign policy put you on this conflict? because, you know, for those i got away. i, you have the conflict is, can you have an idea where junior, we went and warning of them, and if you had aid being block a few, i didn't file your and civilian had been doing your searches properly. you would have seen that the only last week i had a meeting with these denise foreign minister on the margins of the united nations general assembly. so to so how do you see nigeria is role then in brokering me, typically broker and new solution? new york is media to be the role and using the platform of the african union. okay. because we have seen these diplomatic efforts, and we've seen diplomatic efforts on the part of the us and saudi arabia. we've also seen you said us. yeah, we've also seen regionally. thank you. god,

for example, we are right. you tell me all right there. i just getting a song you that we have history. we have done, we understand it very well. in fact, lots of nigerians, us denise, or let us with the news and i years. so that's why it's always good to work with themselves and you know, it should not be different. yeah. so that's the way that they are the fuel especially don't lie just like a nation, therefore, or look down. every one very quick question. all right, then we have to go and i'd like to ask you about the future, the youth, because you've talked about the demography in your country and how you have such a strong young population. but a lot of the youth are, are saying and um are leaving the come towards the term there's, there's also like the commercials with jobs. i mine, i mean, send the said this one, but a lot of the use. well, it's estimated the more that more the, the 25th where young people have chosen where, where is your am over without websites or officials to. i know that you know which

websites, that's your official system. which website prevents which website voted by bbc. the 0 official statistics will be refined, bbc is major is over. so as the sand about the firm, nigerian sleeping is about the number of new jersey. yeah. yeah. we yeah. which is why we're having the phones, which is why we, we are embarking on which we was should have been discussing, which we've done in terms of food security. what we've done in terms of inclusive between the associated investment programs, the infrastructure develop that is taking place in nigeria, the special economic zones. this is what we should focus more on instead of just highlighting the negative foreign minister to the thank you so much for your time. we very much appreciate having you on conflicts on from the berlin global dialogue . thank you for the conversation as always, you've been so wonderful with you again. the,

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