i thought i'll make a suit of migrations. she's finding it hard to dismiss claims from have republican opponent, donald trump, that she was positive. the wife has team but got the country in a state. the both comes might not categorize as a mess. so what is each kinds of it saying about this issue and doesn't actually matter if they don't actually tell the truth. i'm feel go and by the name of this is the day the for john, the was it boarded an army of illegal alien gang members. donald trump cares more about scaring people migrant criminals from the dungeons of the 3rd world, creating fear of jobs i guess. for more years the entire country will be turned into a migrant again, instead of what really to do, which is to participate in fixing problems.

also on the day of the calls from inside israel to be occupied at gaza strip after the war against time us. today we are preparing for the settlement of guns in preparation for making guns, a jewish welcome to the day, counting down to the us presidential election. and polls show the rice is still wide open with immigration, one of the top consents of focus. illegal border crossings, hit record hives under president biden. but democrats play donald trump for killing bipartisan cooperation to reform emigration. low will take you to the border states of arizona in a moment, but 1st, what has actually changed on the board? in recent years of trying to cross the us a southern boulder in search of a new life. millions of migrants and asylum seekers have made this journey in the

last 8 years. but there's been a substantial increase since joe biden to call face back in 2021. while donald trump was president, the border patrol report to the total of around $1900000.00 illegal crossings increasing sharply at the end. but during biden's timing of the stock number spike before falling again, with around 7000000 illegal crossings, we call to buy ball the officials. with whom recent months the number of arrivals fall into its lowest levels. these 2020 knots of to bite in science and executive all during june. but let's officials quickly remove people who arrive the legal aid without processing their asylum claims. this ban remained in place and total number of people trying to enter legally is reduced to a level that our system can affectively manage, fight and had hope to sign into law more comprehensive immigration measures earlier

this year. only for trump to pressure republicans in congress to block the assets that south trump has made migration. one of the central points of his campaign even threatening to revive a law from the 18th century called the alien enemies. to carry out must the pulsations migrations of particular concern in the us border states of arizona, which also happens to be one of the bottle grounds likely to decide next month's election. 4 years ago, president by and won the state by just over 10000 foot science of more than 3000000 cast. 8 years ago, d, w. 's chief international edison richard walker went to meet a family of farmers in southern iris zone. he's been back to see them this week to find that was changed. i don't on the children's ranch, this is the fall south of arizona right on the edge of america. but it's right in

the middle of this election. we've been here before. 8 years ago, the raunchy gym children took us down through his line to the us border with mexico . the united states boundary on my ranch is nothing but a 4 strand barbed wire fence. jim's wrong should become a route for smuggling drugs into america. for him, donald trump had the only answer building a border wall. now we're back to find out how things have changed in the past 8 years. and whether trump did build. so soon we hear that the cartels still have to run these hills and valleys. so about 10 days ago, i went up this road and for about a half a mile. from here, this spot. i 2 guys ran across the road. one guy had or for i for a long got to see a jim testified to

a visiting commission from the us congress and he submitted video showing camouflage people carrying bags through his land. 50 telltale signs of drug packets . he says he's hidden cameras show more than 3000 crossing since 2021 and yet as we get closer to the border, we start to see that donald trump's wall is that we go back to the very same spot we came to 8 years ago. this is what it looked like then, and this is today from school slicing its way through the hills. but construction stopped as soon as joe biden came into office. and so the wall and right here, they got the, they're biting, stopped any construction on the wall that was outraged. i thought it awful recent polling suggests the democrats and now almost as concerned about it,

as republicans on columbia. harris has reacted. she says she would support legislation that would include some funding for the war if she became president. trump is the next best lines targeting people who enter the us illegally. he's platform calls for the largest deep rotation program in american history. phoenix, arizona is capital. we come to meet petrified con, she runs promise, arizona, a support group, the immigrants we also petra, whether she accepts that the political climate on border security has hardened to do you think fine, just go ahead and finish those last bits of board a. well, i don't know, it's hard for me to to think about that in here. petra's group works a lot with undocumented immigrants who could be targeted by trump's music. people

taishan plans of college. i've scared the heck out of me. it does get me back to the ranch. we ask jim chilton what he thinks of large scale deportations. say i'm not sure that's exactly what he's saying. he's saying a watch or the port people are crammed. i don't think you can de park 10000000. 15000000 people, i don't think he physically do it and i don't think we really want to. so roll the polarization and both the policies, those closest to this issue seemed genuinely torn on some of the central questions down here on the edge of america. that report from the chief international editor, richard walcott, who joins us now from washington. welcome, richard is migration. this big an issue is the confidence and making out as

well, i think. and so if you were with us in tucson, the biggest city, and the kind of boarder regence of an arizona, just when we with add the other day, you would come away with that impression. so we went into the city and spoke to a lot of people who are the boasting. desa revising is already underway in arizona, and we went to 2 different component stations to make sure that we got kind of a different sort of slice of the community at each one. and certainly immigration border security was the number one issue that people came up with that were few other issues in that. but certainly the most common issue that was named was that um and it was very much trump supporters, i think will most kind of stride and bringing that up. it's very much a core issue of the trump campaign has been of course, of his political platform ever since he went into politics and won the

election 8 years ago. right. and what we'll talk about the trump approach, and in a minute, let's start with the vice president. what would be the approach of a harris, why ties to these issues be very different to that of her current boss? well, i think use what you see from harris, but also from joe biden, this year is said that beginning to acknowledge that they're playing defense on this issue. that the spike in illegal crossings for this taking place into an under the bite and presidency. and you see quite a dramatic, a step opposite, as we just saw earlier in that, in the, during the course of his administration. that that is putting them on the back foot politically that this is unpopular with the public. so what you saw earlier this year was this bipartisan border built that the, by their ministration said that they would go along with it, which was going to place restrictions on whether people who come across the or

to illegally can then just claim asylum. and then get kind of moved into the system on this, but this legislation would have placed significant restrictions on that and included in fact, some funding for building most sections of the war. now that go to a page to p, those in congress. and the democrats blamed donald trump for that and the saying that he didn't want to find a solution saying that he just wanted to kind of milk this issue, join the presidential election campaign. commer harris is saying that she would sign that bill into law if it went through congress when she was president. but at the same time, you see harris trying to kind of walk the line and retain some progressive elements to her approach to the board and talking about the need for a comprehensive immigration reform. the need for finding a good pods towards citizenship, for people who may have coming to legally early around, but a now leading productive lives and contributing to the community. so you see the

democrats trying to strike a new balance, tougher on border security than they used to be, but, but still more progressive in terms of finding a way into citizenship, for people already living here. and so what about donald trump? what say you promising would have trump to presidency just pick up from where he left off? 4 years ago we saw that unfinished role in your report. yeah, very much so i think that that is pretty much his promise that he will finish the will and that he will also build in some of the logistics and technology around the will. sensors to check if somebody is trying to talk to us and. and so forth. so that is part of it and set and either on to we spoke to was, was, or for that. the other parts of what trump is, is proposing. now this time is kind of the, almost like the, the new bass will grant. and this is about what you do about people who have entered the country illegally, should they be posted. and donald trump is calling for what he. we've mentioned to

him in the report, the logic steeple taishan program in american history. indeed, trump's running mate, gigi vance, has put a number on it, saying that he thinks that it would be reasonable was the words he used in an interview to d port $1000000.00 people per year. and that would go far beyond people with a criminal record. so i think this is now the kind of next password grabbed this idea of deporting people who came in illegally. and what is meant by that? what is the scope of that? if trump gets in, this is going to be a major vessel grant underwood's about the the false claims that donald trump has made about the extensive impact to migration through his supports as just believe whatever he says or indeed, believe him despite knowing that it's false. well, i think is it's a very interesting phenomenon. this a phil and of course to many of service for

a troubling that the donald trump seems to have the ability to, to make the statements that have no factual basis or a severe embellishment and not face consequences. for them in the same way that that might happen to other politicians and the volume of that is quite significant movie. so during his 1st time, the washington post, for instance, they made a tally of over $30000.00 statements and they said, right, the full so misleading that he said he made during his presidency. but. but this doesn't seem to have the same impact as true on his supporters. and i think if you talk to supports as you get the impression that they think that well while trump may exaggerate claims, he may embellish things. sometimes he does even kind of allison out make things up . what that buying into is an attitude from donald trump as a consistency in his overall positions on big questions that goes back to when he

1st came into politics. and i think they compare that to other poets, asians, whether it's his rivals within the democratic, the republican party and the problem easily this year for politicians on the other side in the democratic party, they look at them and say, well, you know, you may have one or 2 fact small straight, but you don't have that sort of attitude and they feel that some of those politicians, i think, you know, the expression i hear perhaps i can say it's on tv is kind of b. s is that they feel they get more of that from kind of classic politicians and the trump, even if the facts thoughts straight speak some kind of in a truth that really resonates with them more strongly. of course, for trumps critics. and those on the other side, this is disturbing because if you have a senior published asian perhaps a president who is able to make untrue statements with few consequences. what does that mean for the future? thank you for that sir. richard dw is a chief international edison is richard,

well, thank you. so you're a secretary of state and me blinking a still in the middle east, outlining the us position that israel should ended the war and gaza. and now i've actually says that last we achieve that strategic objective of this month and come us secretary blanket also said the united states rejects cools inside each row to reoccupied pots of gauze after the war. some say age battleship re establish sacraments in the territory. maybe 2 decades after is route which are just a few miles from the raging war. in garza, some of these are setting up the tens and so costs for the jewish festival. to quote that the reason for the gathering is purely religious. these are altering nation and this is varies from one to reset the gaza strip. they have come here to discuss and train for the occupation of palestinian territory. normally this would

be a close military zone and they wouldn't be allowed here. but these very all me and police are securing the event on all the today we're preparing for the settlement of gaza. they go out there in preparation for turning cause a into a jewish city. and i'll fall head 10. today. we're here to organize, to see what it's like on the ground. i want a home mind what it's like to build. what it's like to build new houses, even though it is it like you may have like the same us of the this 7 of october. we failed all of us to, to come and to go to as a guys because guys, it's our country is 19 years. lots of us. it's a which is very we moved. it's such a mens and garza in 2005, many say that this was a mistake and

a pushing to reset the including members of the current government. not only ministers and committed members from file right policies, but also the prime minister benjamin netanyahu secret party. although nothing young william self has denied that any plans to research the cause of. historically, this place has belong to us. and the, what is, or what is the most important thing is that the truck attributes a story to the story of the 7 a call it occurred because we didn't we didn't control the, the area didn't control the barriers. the tests are essential for our security in garza, the situation could not be more desperate. since the board began at least 90 percent of its 2200000 residents have been forcibly displaced. much of the civilian infrastructure has been bombed to the ground. and within 42000 palestinians have

been killed. according to golf of have ministry. but not everybody wants to research a go to this small group. does this, babies has come out to protest against the surplus plans some caused by they've already that is because that is research and the war will never and, and the hostages will never return. we believe that there i go to the very least and dangerous for the survival you're saying is that we want to get involved in the position when we've been down and i've been there as a soldier. it wasn't leg only for the board that they more hate of the with these concern store on desk use among surplus and why

they pray for new life across the board to palestinians and gaza, striving to survive. daniel grandma is the middle east list and editor in chief of the dentist magazine which focuses on the middle east. welcome back to dw talk. know, tell us more about this. the movers behind the settlement times for gaza as well. this movement has been around for a while. it's uh, basically the same people in the same ideology that have been pushing uh for the uh, annexation of the westbank is the same group of people, the same kind of ideology that is even advocated settlements in the south 11 on. and i think these people should be taken seriously because for a long time, west of those and also many days early itself have just like looked at them as like, you know, things we did, it was to have somebody all to g and religious messianic ideas. but no real

political agenda, we have seen that these people are extremely powerful and then the question against the interest of is really against the interest of the majority. maybe you don't know if these realise will have had a rather cal, this aptitude to that. and the result of this, these people have infiltrated security forces of the army. the police and death turned out to be represented by leading members of the government and everyone else. and the government who is probably not full of these people, is afraid for 80, need them and noticed that they are able to mobilize. and i think that's the populist i mentioned of these really democracy which is very much turning against itself. okay, so just just pick you up on the, i'm not point that. so as i understand it, israel has doesn't basketball, people officially, but we do have members of the, the, the, the government, it's my ben give even a bell and i'm lo, schmaltz, rich, who,

who do very much about them. so you have on the one hand and the netanyahu say, yeah, this is not us, but not doing anything actively against them. and on the other hand, these radical right wing element say, yeah, come and join us to your well, you know, if i'm, if i'm in full, correct. the next one. yeah. obviously crude policy has organized and hosted the number of settler conferences and members of them and you know, government that are far less of old pump for more like unequivocal about the supporting settlements and gaza has come out and they're members of the liquid party that some of them are parts of the, of the security guard cabinet definition. you know. so what we see here is, of course, is in the, i was saying the settlement of thousands of because the strip is not, is not our purpose, not our goal. it becomes hard to believe is because he would get into any pressure

that suits and when the other head and the devastation of gaza and the war of causal. and basically has led to a very uncompromising attitude on both sides of the on israel is the one to decide what's going to happen there. now, what is important to mentioned, i think is that historically until 2004, 2005. since the occupation of the gaza strip by israel united, 67, the where settlements and the necessary in the area that was so good to catch the settlement block. the people that settled in gaza at that time. i'm not necessarily the ones that are calling for returned these other groups, final radical, someone compromising and some of masonic and religious. and you quoted one person in this previous news be that you showed us that businesses towards the end there and absolutely no is towards the claims, not only for designers movement, but in general, don't judge things. so guys, a guy that has been historically

a multi ethnic, multi religious city. it's been a cradle of mediterranean civilization. but even if you, if you want to trace back the history back to take with you old, back to the bible, even of these times the know read the does a is a to say the so these missy, i claims about about, about, you know, yours that just adds shane cause of a total nonsense and they are politically motivated, long on the bottom of this and surely is that the settled legal argument that these settlements are illegal, whether they be in the west bank or the gaza strip as well. now, there is no in terms of international law, at least if you look at the position of the majority of the members united nations and europe, and by the way, also of united states, they consider the several months. ego is really cool. it's have considered them

illegally and in the past. so was then as an y'all government, it is quite typical, is playing these where the right is playing one to one hand. they claim the legitimacy of it also settlements on, on, contested l grounds, contested areas as they say. but then also they, they play the security optima as the hud, the finance minister, bits of a small church, one of the hot hotline writing stream is numbers. the government was said recently that without the settlement of the they would send that would not be no security for israel. and the security argument is being played on multiple occasions on the west bank. when right, when government members say we need to add x, the west think we need to last the several months because they would provide some support at the demographics security bustle. so israel, and that, of course, is not only legal and it's immoral, but it's also basically, it's trying to instrumental lives and to weaponized the security argument to was be

its own people, unfortunately is a public. and that has been a good fit with the assaults on israel, on the 7th of october, has become, has been very indifferent about these movements. those that tend to be in the as consider them fame for a long time. and so has the west still has 0, but also have the united states, and they haven't taken the seriously enough and haven't seen on french will they all? okay, well this is a, a thank you so much for i'm leading us through about 68 daniel girl black from the center magazine. thank you. thank you sir. and that's what's the day you can follow the 3 on social media, dw years latest headlines, the w dot com, all the d, w a good, the,

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