to put together, well, thank you very much for your time. it was a pleasure to talk to you and thank you. thanks. the senior american diplomats fly back into the middle east promising to stand by 11. and even if the ally, israel continues massive strikes on a route and other parts of the country, it doesn't look like a formula for peace. but my guess today doesn't give up easily on that prospect. these you'll see valence former justice, minnesota on peace negotiations in israel. i believe that the don't use it just that up those that's it will when people that this then the managing that they the conflict is your child of these and impossible it knowing what people will then to go for the appropriate for how does he explain the humanitarian catastrophe. israel has presided over in gaza and its refusal to heath coals for restraints from

washington is another year, a bit of conflict in the region. unavoidable you'll see painting welcome to come pick zone in hopes of any low in the fighting in the middle east after the killing of the how my sweet a s n y. these seem to have evaporated pretty quickly in your view does is death change anything. you know, you know, these things only 1st of up to you, you have to wait that it would beat until you know what boy, that was something like that is, is having an influence on history, on or see or with degree it is quite likely. so that the, somebody like him, lloyd such a huge influence on his organization. we change things all on the,

on the ground. i mean, he and, and come us, well the, the biggest, the spoke little on the piece process of the piece. both is of the buddies. thing is site. one of the main reasons for me to to go for the us know process the what is the strengthening of i'm us a 9293 a. so you feel you somebody is and we don't know. oh, might be that he's a successful but even though his, some, somebody as old be a ready to way make out of how much a game kind of a, a social movement or even a political body rather than what he became k c to say the end of the hopefully 272-8080 of 88. then they'll might be a historic change. if we do somebody who is a totally the go logic, a successful of, of,

i will say easy it seen while then they maybe nothing will happen from now. israel's prime minister seems to be happy fighting on multiple friends, but at every stage he stopped listening to his closest ally joe biden. does he have no respect phone? or is he hoping that to spend donald trump will be in power again soon? literally, samuel has given me a very difficult question mean trying to spend the motivation of the way of the be is a very big jennings and, but you've watched him closely for many years. a. yeah, i wasn't child, you'll see me and i was a, a quote and i was a in, in may in a position to a man about as well. but that the point is it doesn't meet that the stand if we think this is doing and directly i tend to spend less and less. does he despise the by doing? i don't think so. i don't think so. the point is that the he a,

he cherished he is a ongoing, a k road, his, the brand new stuff is way more than anything else, including the relations so way through with other countries which he is losing. and including the, the cooperation that we do, not that states that he understands. so we need is not this for each person. the understands the importance of all say is i, our most important that like a week is right. but a, what do you and use to, to choose between these lunatics and these cabinets like bank with and the smoke lead to and others not only then. then he chooses them, not because he prefers them, but because without them he doesn't pivot coming. hey, a call he should but why he's making that choice. would you say that relations between washington and jerusalem now in the west states that may have been in that case may be, but it is it best on the metal. i mean is, tomorrow, there is another,

the pregnant is that it will change very quickly. we so we came to pass or between somebody at least you'll remember and do it being when it would show me a, in a wicked and, and the a, the, the american president, a boss defy the it was offered and then came a ravine. and they were never better a relation, so it is very person that it is great. it's very much i think that that a, b b is, is making a huge mistake about the disease preferences and he's brooklyn, is there a preference is quite clear. what does his preferences seem to being to ignore, completely american stretches about? thank you, mandy, terry and age. especially in northern gaza. israel has gone on to create something of a living. hell for 2000000 people. has that shop to well,

a series you'll see skins shopping me about the dung out. but it is not that that to i think that the main problem is not necessarily days very reluctance a to a, to dissent 8 to the but it's telling us about the defect, the commodities taking all the so once it do the, the, the trucks on the guys is side doubt they can get in dallas selling good. i mean it is, it is given full free or full of full of goals and they are sending you a 2 dependents. daniel into the pool, but it's doing is there. so a i think that they hear, i don't, i will do the necessarily blame a, him a but the fact that the, how much doesn't they allow the, the trucks to get this the came but ask for, but the taking thinking over it is the trucks. yes. but you have usa agencies who

have specifically blamed these radio authorities for holding up the shipments and not allowing basic goods to get through. so this was a book to put to the secretary of state's blinking. and he actually lied to congress about it and said that they weren't doing that, but the usa, the other agencies, were quite clear that these railways were at fault here. okay, so do you, i believe that the danielle way had to distant the americans and changes the, i mean and, and it said to me, oh, and boy, a trucks. it is because i would say back to back originally, many is where you said that don't give them anything. the police thing is they so died of the style. what what the, what about the world crime? isn't it the schools and this is like, never happened. it never happened today,

but i'm pretty close, hasn't it come pretty close? there is no salvation that i don't envy them. and they, they are in very, very po situation. and this is to and about a is not the is the tradition of, of how go and did the data has nothing. no and and today it's val nutrition, certainly success. evaluate agencies have talked about mountain nutrition, man. yeah. man, man, man. and the question is, something is a dens pin installed ation, you'll have metal the cushioning in many situations. the, the problem is again, i mean the people on he's not getting it all saying there was thing. seeing the world, there is no initial, no a go meet them. and then knowing the nation a little a on the edge and they, they, they, they leaving that me these words. so they all do was well saying deep and did it. and that hope, i mean, gladly. i mean that,

that doesn't accept what the menu for the over the things that he said it did. they say that they had the bottom line. it depends on then. and if they say something like used to do a and you, if you don't to do a we, we leave your cooperation. he finds himself a doing what they want. in that case, all spelled ation. it didn't have. so yes you've been in, there's been particular shock internationally, the reports of palestinian children in gaza shots in the head and chest on multiple occasions with high velocity bullets. the new york times printed testimony from 65 american doctors and health care professionals and gaza. clear implication that these was what the results of collateral damage the kids were targeted. does this, what else? prime minister believe that killing our children makes jewish children safer when i

it is out fully to believe that it was intentionally done. i. i don't know. reason for that house to the forehead and the chest idea. well enough to do yeah, the one on the other. i know that i'll me it is a spokesman. what i can say is that the, the, the, the light by how it is broke and seeing what is happening them, seeing what is happening to these way at least seeing what is happening to police doing is it must and, and the 2 visions, elbow and some of them are right, some of them are wrong. it should. and they, that the situation on the, on the ground. and it's so is that the feet that is ations is one of the doctors who came in with an aid organization. american doctor said all the drugs and dressings that he tried to bring in with him and to buy optics. painkillers, bandages all, desperately short supply and gaza. all were taken away by these rarely soldiers

before he was allowed into the territory that begged as belief. doesn't that again, again, i am not here as the spokesman of these rarely i have this done, but this is your country, this is your country. i see. but this is like country, so i, i told you on how it is broken. the whole situation is, you know, me use is all for, for me. i believe when i get up in the morning, this is the reality here. but if you ask me about specific things about it, about the did the doctors say, hey, um, is this the money and other things like that? i, i can not the honestly, you've always refused to abandon the hope of a peace settlement when you, when you see the cottage of gaza, do you still cling to that hope you'll you'll mean that the assassination of 1200 these well is a big goal by some? no, no, no, i'm to go back to that too,

but i'm talking about all the cottage. i don't think that we have speaking about at college, but what as well, it was all conducive to peace in many, many cases. what happened to us in the last 2 years of the, the governments of the right was the people that gave up on the 2 state solution gave up on a solution for the police thinking and problem said that they, it is okay. if we can manage the conflict or a do something like that with the conflict rather than solving it. and they use the foundation, shows us that it is impossible that we have to solve the problem. i don't have to tell you that the most important a piece of group a o o piece developments in, in a, in the model of history happened after the was tools like in the end of the 2nd was

well, when it was established, when the you about the stablished, when day they were, bank, was a se, all these, all there is the cues. just ali reside of the was tool in, in human history. so i believe that there is a chance that after such a will win people that this then the managing, the, the, the conflict is your child. these and impossible it knowing what people will then to go for the 4 piece. and i hope also that the will really help us to push forward these. we're seeing some groups from the right in israel pushing to resettle gaza. in fact, yesterday the prime ministers look good party invited people to a conference entitled preparing for settlement in gaza. a pretty clear direction of travel, wouldn't you say, despite all the denials that they were going to reset the la garza

what says the for the good news here, the, the yellow so it would never happen. i tended that it is noted and we'll see suddenly an event of the gold about it. these man meant us a very good. well the week is something that you want to think. i mean, is this, i really hope that it is a bed joke. well, they said then the invitation to didn't leave much room for that will show up. it said liquid members, bronx heads, ministers, members of a connected and together will cry out. garza is ours forever. how many people think that the way it is right? in order to i mean we see the ports, i mean about the settling in gaza is more minority. you will have, you will have about 20 percent, i believe in, in an easy way to do what am i supposed all these crazy ideas like building the, rebuilding the dump and about what do you need more than that?

yeah. you as mean does, does it? i will government who are planning to rebuild the done pretty well. doesn't mean that it will happen. does this government do think really believe israel can be secure without a political solution for the palestinians and failing to use your pancreas? as your view, try to ensure that we've done jo is both rain before use. is that, that we have to make peace with the arab countries. why don't we succeed with the then we can go well to the police doing is and say to them who you, who you'll see a coordination of each one. and they moderate our boundaries. and now we demand that you would do a, b, and c in order to have peace with us. this is these dream. it would never happen. never that but, but this is, if you, i think that, that the idea of encircling a funny thing is with

a moderate arab countries which have a piece which is what is a, here's the dream, old plan or whatever. i want to talk in a minute. it's about your own ideas for a resolution of this interminable conflict. but let me go back to prediction that you made in january when you said that nothing you all who would lose the support of these western allies and the is ray and the public. the allies may have got fed up with them, but they're terrified of withdrawing the support all day. and what criticism that has been is made pretty soft. or u. d. e is it? he gets about 50 percent of the public opinion. you can see all the a, the public opinion polls that this is, this is the ceiling. so he does not. he doesn't have the job. he is, he has support is nobody's policies back on top of the survey. so isn't it? yeah, but that the numbers of how small and i mean in, in,

in the bottom and also the 120 doubt getting something like 22 seats. they do this is and, and, and they, it's a, the apologies all getting good 2018. so it is not that say he became very popular. hey, even this i reside display the the success is a in the role. well, what he is portraying is big success as if you have a plan for a palestinian is riley confederation as a as a stepping stone. i think you said to a 2 state solution um, before i ask you for the details, do you have any indication a tool that such a plan would be acceptable to any part of this is really government or indeed any palestinian administration. one day before we signed the old before we exposed it, most of the processes that they bill wasn't majority of or for 80 percent

against any books. we did piano and one day after that bill was a majority floating, the same happened with the the withdrawal form seat sy, night by you man, i am begging even the one who signed the agreement in the 79. i. i'm not worried about it. i believe the people who would like to have a piece and leave follow this little sheet. i asked the question, because last month jordan's prime minister revived the 2 state solution himself and said he was mandated by 57 arab and muslim states to offer a guarantee of security to israel in return for an agreement on an independent palestinian state. the offer wasn't gone so that was started straight in the band, wasn't it, which is not a helpful sign of coke, but then you always do to throw every m, we think things like that. but by the way, the full day a drop, a, a glance which was issued in the beginning of 2000 when he supposed to do it or go,

it gives a 2 state solution. although it is your peak. and i don't think that the point is being is going to accept the but still it was, it, those dates, it looks in and then you also bought it. otherwise he rejected everything. what is the whole idea of the configuration? when we sign the agreement, the 90000 settlers in the west bank i don't count is 0. is that then cause this is something is to day because how familiar now most of them will be next to use, right. even if it, according to our plan, it is we, we link to a next to point 25 percent of the west bank, but most of the said little sleeve bill. so full damage would not be a problem because well, the 1st time that we would become a citizen, so leave on the, on silver them country. and they'll will be a land swamp of the same amount of a, of a land and

a and did they call it the quality of the on the quality, often and back about 170000 settlers. we'd find themselves in the future as being estate. even in the past, we used to say ok usually is a strong democracy. if we decide to have a new ball deal, we would be able to evaluate all these way. you set it as a from the homes is to day becoming the most important and will event of the current on the way of peace. because we know almost exactly it what would be, will, would be the ball do. what would it be with your username? what would it be with the, with the day they ordered city andrews island, that refugees and you name me? yes. the band and can i just put to you the fact but so much of what you suggest seems to depends on trust. and that really isn't very between the 2 sides off to

what's happened. you can't just sit down and manufacture it. can you the a palestinian survey from july showed that only 10 percent of these really jews and 6 percent of palestinians trust the other side, nearly enough for a big ticket. confederation is it, did we? i is drugs. the jordanians old the jeep since the, they trust the, the jewels move. yeah. but you want them to live right side by side in this confederation. they leave today. yeah. i'm not, i'm not very happily. i'm not very happy to look at the westbank look at the subtler violence against palestinians in the west bank. best of all, people who say any who is my main thought the and the google studies thing is joined us. a military expos, petitions and others. the professors in order to write the book, you reach the idea of leaving the side by side or remaining side by side

a is refill to if you, including the security aspects of elf. is that just a solution? it is, it is not simply, it is not easy, no solution is competing with it. no solution. anybody who comes to leave and says, i am spinning for the 2 state solution. i'm asking him o l. what are you going to do with the settlers? if you say they will have to, to go back to is what i say, i don't know a bradman is the potential bradman is though it is way right or left. always going to do something like this. you must find a solution. you sure that your form of your former justice minister the supplement, so really go under international law. what if you have an agreement? it will be a legal agreement and it we all overall order the ability to a situation. i mean, nobody's saying that because a, it is against the intuition i know we cannot have lead swaps. for example,

only thought of this that those is such a means they'll know that dia o'fallon swaps. and the idea that most of the deceptive would remain, will the oh, was suggested by the by they are upside. if you remember the day you, they came to day it to the full bill. it a many got ministration and, and the, the cloud that it is not doesn't have to be the $67.00 boulders, but it can be a land swipe swap, which would take into account the number, the big number of both of these valleys on the west bank if you asked me, no one is lady, should have lived in the west bank, no one setting, then she'll that be. so they've been a beat, but i have to deal with the reality. any does such a reality? the idea is that once we know the number of the palestinians who it was,

the result of these ladies will be to remain in palestine. spellman, and a residence and use of alias citizens. this same number of police thing is what we would like to get to this is a, it's a residence building and the residence we'd be allowed to do that. you'll see a button. and what if, what if this plant gets to the what, what i mean, it's already been done. i mean, by whom the prime minister doesn't. yeah, was already said is his role is to prevent the formation of a palestinian this i don't see the low does copays. yeah. and what is the next one says the same thing. there is no plan b is that you have no plan b, its 2 state solution or not fair use that it had many ideal plans that the, the 2 state solution is a result of the effect that the right the rejected or the other plans. so this is

a plan which i believe is realistic eve, nothing works. we really have to do is do any of that too early and it is awful. but it is not that we all know that we are whole funds. and if not, if there is no agreement, nothing will happen. no, even there is no agreement with the other side because the other side may also say the 2020 then is what that is where at least showed a withdrawal you and your level. otherwise we'd become it. joyce, minority domain. i think it, but it's still in the majority between the river and the sea, and this is the end of the zone. you split? yes, it barely good. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time. thanks for being on conflict. so thank you. thank you. the

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