the greenhouse gases, which is more than all developed countries put together well, thank you very much for your time. it was a pleasure to talk to you and thank you. thanks the business need of the news off a guy coming up on the program. wagner, in the central african republic, is it most schools model for africa? once a private and military company? now it is, russia is long down in c, and the russian house and the comfort telephone game. is it just the cultural center? it's head? demetrius cities says yes and rejects criticism. bouldin's gotten worse, not better after wagner came. oh, this is just the mechanism to to make russian vehicle for america. it's josh has

a little bit can of the i i'm eddie mike. i junior and you are welcome to the program. wagner in the central african republic, is it most close the model for africa? the wagner group is a russian military company with significant operations on the continent, a key to the process following policy. it was founded in 2014 by russian business mind if gave me precaution. after his death, wagner in africa came under the direct control of russia's ministry of defense and change this name to the africa cool. it provides security. unbelief tree supports but also stands accused of propagating anti western, this information campaigns, the groups minuchi activities. i've raised concerns about human rights abuses and destabilize ation in the region. russia is also extending itself into c, r,

and runs that cultural center called russian house. in bounty, before taxes it go to a child so many cents an exclusive interview with the head of the center mall from the lead time expressed. his report from bunky a new blue volume on all forms. the gym will be the 19 year old. joseph policies, advanced levels, certificate and said unto pick studies like many students in this modern country, he spellings weren't able to pay for him to attend the university of thinking. so he decided to go, he's one, we got an event. as a child, i dreamed of being a polyglot, so it motivated me to learn russian. i'm always human real is learning the language in distortion, quarter, and center. see to it or the heart of the copy to bang g d, p c, d is the head of the russian house. he sees the demand for language classes and

cultural activities shows it is doing one thing. bringing russia and the central african republic closer together. right now we are more focused on the children's lice and the children's rights very much representing the russian and justice and russian schools for local students that can also, for studies and russia. and right now, as the russian for the city of, of africa is developed and rep in russia is giving much more quote us for african students to study in, in the rush or not. it was good news again. rooster alpha, the know me is one of the teachers in the ocean language center. how far the east central african. i'm her mother, i, russian. all of them leave in benji, quite a. she was born. she has a diploma in accounting and management from a college here and then he she never went through

a former teacher training process. but how mode i taught how russian, while she was growing up, and she decided to go same to what a central african let alone go to the russian language as an asset. and also has very significant advantages for the central african population in terms of vocabulary and language language teaching russian language and the central african republic as an added value. some or some critics say multiple states teach the russian language to this, this much fringe level of quality is fund of language here. do you agree? so no, this has no colonial or political connotations to the central african republic as a country like any other. so it welcomes the russian language as well, no longer. and it is longed for by the population. manuel is one of $500.00 students learning the language he, he's clear why? because he wants to move towards. yeah. that's what i was alone. i've chosen the

rest of the language to have the opportunity to apply for a scholarship to do my higher education and medical studies in russia. because at the moment there's a serious health problem in my country. we don't have enough doctors, ma'am. i'd like to help my country by studying and russia to facilitate development, is that you don't want people fussing to. so you caught a glimpse of him involved reports, dimitris, city, a key play i environments for calibrations. i'll see if he has long been involved in wagner. group activities and see how fast translating media and communications and now of the russian house in bunky. in december of 2022 seats, he was seriously injured in a mill bone by talk. he leads everytime to bounty and is a link spin of russia's operations in africa. he also has a controlling interest in a mining company that bog now has been sanctioned by the you in the us for human rights abuses. and city is also on that international functions list full on

this. we've invited to experts on a wagner in africa from buckeye and sent a goals on joined by beverly and seeing with the center for strategic and international studies. hello beverly, also from a boot job in nigeria, i'm joined by philip body and award winning independence. didn't a less than a contribution to the daily beast news website. hello, phillip, hello. all of you. welcome to the program. stay with me. as we go through this, i'm in the central african republic. wagner has secured little creative mind and concessions, gaining access to valuable resources, like gold and diamonds report. so does it go to china? i questioned him about that's, that's the goal isn't just been putting sees. oh, she doesn't have a colonial quest and therefore is better equipped to work with african countries. but the one that group the cops is here, 1000000 volts,

extracting interrupts here in molly and so done on elsewhere where you are active. what's the difference? uh next to semantics. yes. ever entity visits, extraction resources as labor or what so? colonial power. that's no, that's not the case. and i think that this once again, that's a tool of a lesson for go down that to buy and trust as a van de, uh, lost with these are all engaged in southern founders and based on nothing but to it, but fuller sent to the application of the western standard and so in the russian focus, russian posted as president put and said used to help and to it's the approach this free with this concept of the nation. and because it's through it, as russia had never had a colonial past. and that's where

a approach is different. we are acting as a botanist. more than, uh, the, the boss has that info is very old. so, and uh, we have it to give her a choice to african countries. uh so we give them a choice to make the, to choose the part that they wish we adjust to the competition for the rest and the rest. so it is frustrating by this but the commission is good, isn't that right? beverly, let me come to you. you had and i called into the city last year i was just competing on a level playing field. is that right to new opinions? as i mean, the 2nd song in which russia was able to get into the central african republic allowed it to have some level of dominance. so they came in in 2017 when the c r

had requested the us to create a console. so go to being able to access not just what that is, but also facilitate the training of the military to fight against rebels. at this point, the bulk of their problems, which hasn't been dominant, all that possible or no power. and they, you wouldn't have not quite done enough because this, the southern robot as was training and elected to government. russia came in and was able to not just dominate the security sector, but also in to the extractive stacks of which despite there being clear mining codes have not been very well managed by the authorities. the point. so in terms of the level playing field, i think it depends on where the boxes are, what kind of messages being bumper gigs, and how to be able to continue retaining. she gets foothold in the region and dos quite a robust in a way that i think western powers have undermine what they will, permitting the web security council security deployment. and, you know, we've

a lot about the c. i became a sort of an experiment on what russian diplomacy across the region would come to look like. now. 70 as me. right, right. and philip city says extraction is trade and russia is helping the people see you've been to these mines. what did you see? well, i know if you could just be a very good communicate all of the, but it was doing things of knowledge about this and how much as far as my own sense, when get promotions. and the way the company has been to the fact that they have been that you would so much didn't change. and the one to 2 points by all means a lot of them, instead of, you know, oh, i was leaving main communities and making sure no one else was the

there's to access these goals most, including my mazda, 2 minus. so. ready so you mentioned some games and then so the been able to show some gas on the basis for the government find, you know, which was, you know, shinji before the rush. i was living box and $0.20 out for the remaining communities. i don't think there's been any injured or what's the right. so demetrius city was a protege off. you have gave me pre goes in. right. who found that wagner in 2014, to support the pro ration forces in ukraine, lead to expanding to syria and other parts of africa. this by facing international functions for goals and continued to be a key voc enough vega until his death in a plane crash in 2023. stay with us guys. the both that to go to church. i asked

the city about precautions possible just to get us a, a year ago, your from a bus is going to precaution was killed in a pin crush. shortly after the wagner groups faced everybody and in russia, how did you feel when you heard about his death? well, uh, and i felt frustrated. it was the case with us from it. and it's only for me for, for lots of people. so it under, it was a huge loss for pricing for african policy in general. and to if i said as i was looking at public as well, again, it was a big friend of central africa. she made a lot for this country. and it's, so of course it goes to straight, it's how close where you do you have different doors. you have you worked for him before in the central african republic. i wasn't the lead uh when

we started working with all the rules that actually uh, that's when uh, i started working with him, derek as well. uh. she was still in me in this uh and advising me in this difficult affair and the risk o risk affair. um, but uh, thanks to his advice and good steering. uh, we succeeded in this project. it's likely that the plan was shut down on the old us of the russian president vladimir, put in. what do you make of those allegations? i make nothing. i have no information this. so i'd rather not come to any conclusions as i talked to and information. right beverly, you had him since he clearly sees for goes in as a full so good in see or how that has that change. it must cause dealings with the

country. so in one way, it meant that russia would have great control over some of their devotees, all the power of militaries in the country. not some of them as they are very interesting the across the houses where there's also been slowly other similar forces and for a long time it's about as if they had been a bit of a capital between the russian defense ministry and the activities of the bottom in the range of the fact that we've seen wife latonya watts, and that pre collision was presenting the political and military challenge between the president automatic present and went back to mutiny. hop sometime in july just in corporate goals. and that's, that's when it became quite evident, that golden influence was not sitting too well with the credit if they don't get. and so when to go out of the way, it enables the dawson, the faxed industry, as well as a professionals to have a bit more control over how to get to the teams of the kind of ministries phillips

. let me get your take on this. um that goes into involvement and see out improve things for the people of the country. you've already touched on the mind and aspects of things. gary, nothing good has come off of that. but overall you seems to suggest that security wise, those some sort of positive. i'm i right, are correct. so if you look at the body to the other strand, i tell you that the no long piece is sort of the don't get before the door shut down. but i don't understand what you're saying. so because i did the restaurants get involved and i'm going to start watching all the budget was on the not somebody you only we saw some riddles and munitions. someone's house, almost full control over. so the have, you know,

so level one in the rest of the company, what's the, what's the name of these people and tell you the experiences when it comes to how the restaurants have started to personally take control of mining communities. so there's different kind of opinions in the us or the expression way remains for that right right now. um, several organizations say russia is spread in this information in parts of africa and c, r, to distract from the control of a local resources, probably linked to the mind. and you just talked about as it go to ask city if his job involved anything else. and to respond to accusations that there was a front for something else. that's a well, that's the problem of less than propaganda. they take

a tiny piece of information. they x circulated and the by and people as the babies . and this is based on the cell information from the internet and to actually the last that i am right now, i'm the investor of the russian, like an informal investor for russian polis in this country. and that's my responsibility. my main job is analytics and to cultural activities. so this center i should bring or restaurant and the central african republic, closer together by a cultural means. well, i have the center rather than your studies, but spend the time. i still do my job in the ridges of this country for present, or there is any age or in the dark, some of the some of our groups because i've got an experience during my work and before got to the inventory. if you're there see agreement and i still have that

experience this experience to allow. i'm still like, sometime ago i was in congo. i'm talking with the on to alaska to convince them to disarm it goes also. i think it was in the success a successful mission that helped his arm or she would sure of uh, onto valeca in the city. and uh, this like this step by step. uh, i hope i'm having this come through this country and bring my face to the citizens . phillips, since he points to his mediation work, says he hopes he is bringing peace to the citizens of c a. r. what do you me to go back as well that i'm sorry, what are the ones who do the was the national storage of this a little for the notions beginning. bought the only probably better made

a bit of. busy groups love justin. ringback but also go and log in to the results. you know, i mean all new substance abuse and right, i would students situation way eventually. busy direction, but i need to see how some some of the groups would use the website to see how. busy these i'm groups come together for me and the culture for window able to get into the confession for the group. so it's just funny or i'm just, what i'm trying to do was to, you know, i'm that with some of this goes just to be able to look at it. and the example is all about, i'm not g as update, which is acting in the country. right now this room it to yesterday out of the

way to. busy some of these are the type of street when your function of the, of a piece for the country. so yeah, yeah. ministers, useful piece. i only had one done very well. i wouldn't be successful. okay. yeah, no say to show some pictures. i didn't think it was the country. right. so it seems that beverly that, you know, the decisions on not going as well as city would want people to think. he also said this and i quotes that he is the informal, i'm boss of that old russian policy to see are in a presidential negotiator, would it onto by cotton c r and come go. what does that tell us about his role? i think i just told you just high how high all the rest of influence is. and the fact that this is not an official person working for the kremlin. for instance,

even though there's always been back into the wind line between the bottom line of credit, which is a person who is running the asset on the cultural center. but it also able to have it, but they have the level of political suite. although the government is negotiating with one of the terms and conditions, how you come to an agreement, which is the possible if you think about what the government's job is supposed to be. the influence that they have on the behalf of not just the volume, but even the candidate he seems to have the concerns that some diplomats are pointed out about the culture or russian influence or the fact that the c and has sort of become a bigger cartoons to the president and the back, right, so vag about has been accused of serious human rights abuses across africa by human rights organizations in western governments. in the central african republic. they have been accused of burning down villages and killing civilians to take control of

mine. and as let's get back to don't use interview with demetrius city with the go to task. so well organizations including the united nations on human rights organizations. i see vitamins here and the central african republic has got worse. not better after wagner coming. why start? do you think? are you worried about that? um, oh, this is just a mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america, but she doesn't have that kind of of beverly cities. sounds determined and dismissive, wagner has obviously called out a nice and c are at the very top. i see you also see that so just that area. how secure is the opposition though? i mean, i've been the point about the meetings back to the security,

particularly the capital and saw small towns within the country in 2020. they have this big campaign against minutes and remo groups. so what's the threatening toward the 2nd time they and the success of about operating as part of one game, but not just public presidents within the c r, but also in the saw how. but at the moment, this report of some of the groups that i encroaching within the capital that had been some disagreement between groups that decided to side with the eva joined the training and the final and initiative. and then main groups. they've been scholarship happening in the eastern part of the country where that's why i'm listening to the bean bag, which has been involved in the scholarship started. so it means military bosses how escalate that because they are also part of me being upon me by the, by the same mixed mixed bag at the moment, philip, that just to be clear, this was

a long interview. we've only been able to play brief accepts of it, but to say to you, repeat that mistress, that you know he's doing the bidding of precedent to a dera, some honest. have like in this to quote states capture. is that a valid accusation? you think as i think so how to do, but it seems like i have gone to so this is in the country. i had visited some of these miles. so i know what's going on there. and i spoke to somebody else do. and what we are doing, that's what the government in collaboration with the is the only one that wanted to give them the, the, this is the shelves of the, you know, most your daughter and what's your happened? i didn't finish upgrading the minds of the home and because the mice,

the one of those she lives. and that's why this conference is still going to and that's why it's too slick. but about 6 years in the body, you know, it seems like there's the 1000000 time, but in terms of stability, investment is that's because no one is in the middle of the emissions deal of you know, sitting down here and we move for other people to disclose the problems of the, especially the 1st. so that's why i'm guessing sister culture goes down to what did you say and the way. right. so it's a little a lot of the problems and issues assessed and solution oriented. and this is what we should be aiming at a wild lead us or international community should be aiming. that's beverly watching with a center for strategic and international studies in the car and award winning independence general list and the contribution out to the database to for the full body for my

boys riding nigeria. thank you guys for sharing your time with us. thank you so much and thank you for watching. that's it for now, i'll be sure to check out the stories on dw dot com slash africa, or visit our social media platforms. i am eddie michael junior, the

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