to put together, well, thank you very much for your time. it was a pleasure to talk to you and thank you. thanks. the senior american diplomats fly back into the middle east promising to stand by 11. and even if the ally, israel continues massive strikes on baby root and other parts of the country, it doesn't look like a formula for peace. but my guess today doesn't give up easily on that prospect. these, you'll see bailey, former justice minister and peace negotiations in israel. i believe that there is a chance that up those that to will when people that this then the managing that the conflict is your child of these and impossible knowing what people will tend to go for the appropriate for how does he explain the humanitarian catastrophe is riley has presided over in gaza and its refusal to heath coals for restraints from

washington is another year, a bit of conflict in the region. unavoidable. you'll see painting welcome to come pick zone in hopes of any low in the fighting in the middle east after the killing of the how my sweet a s n y. these seem to have evaporated pretty quickly in your view does is death change anything. you know, you know, these things only post of up to you. you have to wait that it will beat until you know, way that was something like that is, is having an influence on history, on or c, or with degree. it is quite likely just that the, somebody like him, lloyd such a huge influence on his organization. we change things on the,

on the ground. i mean, he and, and come us, well the, the biggest, the spoke little on the piece process of the piece poses on the but the thing is site. one of the main reasons for me to, to go for the us know process the, what was the strengthening of i'm us a 9293 a. so ease will use somebody else and we don't know. oh, might be that he's a successful but if there is some somebody as old, be a ready to way make out of hamas a game kind of a, a social movement or even a political body rather than looking became to see the say the end of the hopefully 272-8080 of 88. then they'll might be a historic change. if we do somebody who is a totally the logical or successful of, of,

i will say easy it seen while then they maybe nothing will happen for now. israel's prime minister seems to be happy fighting on multiple friends, but at every stage he's stopped listening to his closest ally joe biden. does he have no respect phone? or is the hoping that to spread donald trump will be in power again. so literally in the last gave me a very difficult question. i mean, trying to spend the motivation of the, of the be, is a very big jennings and what you've watched him closely for many years. oh yeah, i wasn't child, you'll see me and i was a e quit and i was a, an inmate in a position to a man about as well. but that the point is it doesn't meet that the stand if we think this is doing and directly i tend to spend less and less. does he despise the by doing? i don't think so. i don't think so. the point is that the he a,

he cherished he is a ongoing, a k road his day to brandon. his stuff is way more than anything else, including the relations so way through with other countries which he is losing. and including the, the cooperation that we do, not that states that he understands. so we need is not his for his pennsylvania. the physically in bulk of, of, of a is a most important that like a week is right. but a one you would use to, to choose between these lunatics and these cabinets like bank with and the smoke lead to and others not only then. then he chooses them, not because he prefers them, but because without them he doesn't pivot coming. hey, a call he should but why he's making that choice. would you say that relations between washington and jerusalem now in the west states that may have been in that case may be, but it is the summit of metal. i mean is, tomorrow, there is another,

a pregnant is that it will change very quickly. we so we can to pass or between somebody at least you'll remember and do it being when it would show me a, in a wicked and, and the a, the, the american president, a boss defy the it was offered and then came a ravine. and they were never better a relation, so it is very person that it is great to very much i think that that a, b b is, is making a huge mistake about the disease preferences and he's present it is there a preference is quite clear. why does his preferences seem to being to ignore completely american structures about thank you, monetary and age, especially in northern gaza. israel has gone on to create something of a living. hell for 2000000 people. has that shop too. when the

various you'll see skins shopping me about the dung out, but it is not that that too. i think that the main problem is not necessarily days very reluctance a to a to dissent 8 to the but his tenure is about the defect. the commodities taking all the so once you do the, the, the trucks on the guys is side doubt they can get in dallas selling good. i mean, it is, it is given full free or full of full of goals. and they are sending you a 2 dependents daniel into the pool, but it's doing is there. so a, i think that they hear, i don't, i will do the necessarily blame a, him a but the fact that the, how much doesn't they allow the, the trucks to get this the came but ask for, but they taking thinking all that it is the trucks yes,

but you have usa agencies who have specifically blamed these radio authorities for holding up the shipments and not allowing basic goods to get through. so um this was uh, booked to um, but to the secretary of state's uh, blank gun. and he actually lied to congress about it and said that they weren't doing that, but the usa, the other agencies, were quite clear that these railways were at fault here. okay, so do you, i believe that the danielle way had to listen to americans and changes the, i mean and, and it said to me, oh and boy, a drugs that it is. that is, i would say that to back originally, many is where you said that don't give them anything. the police thing is they still died of the style. but what the, what about the world crime? isn't it the schools and this is like, never happened. it never happened today,

but i'm pretty close. hasn't that come pretty close? there is no salvation that i don't envy them. and the daily and very, very po, situation and this is to and about a is not the is the tradition of, of how go and did the data has nothing. no and, and to day it's val nutrition, separate success. evaluate agencies have talked about mountain nutrition, man. yeah, man, man, man. and the commission is something is a dense pin installed ation. you'll have metal no solution in, in many situations. the problem, is it getting, i mean the people on he's caught getting it all saying there was things in the world. they as know it, the nation. i a go meet them and then knowing the nation a little a on the edge and they, they, they, they leaving that me div was so they all do was well saying deep and they did it. and the hope, i mean, gladly, i mean, and then, you know,

doesn't accept what the menu from the over the things that he said it did. they say that they had the bottom line. it depends on then. and if they say something like used to do a and you, if you don't to do a, we, we leave, you'll call lucian. he finds himself a doing what they want it. in that case all spells ation indeed. and your c panel does be in particular shock internationally. the reports of palestinian children in garza shopped in the head and chest on multiple occasions with high velocity bullets. the new york times printed testimony from 65 american doctors and health care professionals and gaza. clear implication that these was what the results of collateral damage the kids were targeted. does this, what else? prime minister believe that killing our children makes jewish children safer when i

it is out for me to believe that it was intentionally done. i. i don't know. reason for that house through the full head and the chest idea. well enough to do yeah, the one on the other. i know that i'll me, it is a spokesman. what i can say is that the, the, the, the light by how it is broke and seeing what is happening them seeing what is happening towards way at least seeing what is happening to police doing is it must and, and the 2 visions, elbow and some of them are right, some of them are wrong, it should and that, that the situation on the, on the ground. and it's so is that the feet that is ations is one of the doctors who came in with an aid organization. american doctor said all the drugs and dressings that he tried to bring in with him and to buy optics. painkillers, bandages all, desperately short supply and gaza. all were taken away by these rarely soldiers

before he was allowed into the territory that begged as belief. doesn't that again, again, i am not here as the spokesman of these rarely i have this done, but this is your country, this is your country. i see. but this is my country, so i told you on how it is broken. the whole situation is, you know, me use is all for, for me. i believe when i get up in the morning, this is the reality here. but if you ask me about specific things about it, about the did the doctors say, hey, um, is this the money and other things like that? i, i can not the honestly, you've always refused to abandon hope of a peace settlement when you, when you see the cottage of gaza, do you still cling to that hope you'll you'll mean the, the assess the nation of 1200 these well is a you read gold dice, i'm no, no, no, i'm to go back to that too. but i'm talking about all the cottage. i don't think

that we have speaking about at college, but what as well, it was all conducive to peace. in many, many cases. what happened to us in the last 2 years of the, the governments of the right was the people that gave up on the 2 state solution gave up on a solution for the police thinking and problem said that they, it is okay. if we can manage the conflict or a do something like that with the conflict rather than solving it. and they use the foundation, shows us that it is impossible, that we have to solve the problem. it don't have to tell you that the most important a piece of group a o o piece developments in, in a, in the model of history happened after the was tools like in the end of the 2nd was

well, when it was established, when the you about the stablished, when they, they were, bank was a se, all these, all there is the uses ali reside of the was tool in, in human history. so i believe that there is a chance that after such a will win people that this then the managing the, the conflict is your child. these and impossible it knowing what people will then to go for the 4 piece. and i hope also the will really help us to push forward these. we're seeing some groups from the right in israel pushing to resettle garza. in fact, yesterday the prime minister's liquid party invited people to a conference entitled preparing for settlement in gaza. a pretty clear direction of travel, wouldn't you say, despite all the denials that they were going to reset the la garza

what says the for the good news here, the, the yellow so it would never happen. i tended that it is noted and we'll see suddenly an event of the gold about it. this man meant us a very good. well the week is something that you want to think. i mean, is this, i really hope that it is a bed joke. well, they said then the invitation that didn't leave much room for that will show up. it said liquid members, bronx heads ministers, members of a connected and together will cry out. gaza is ours forever. how many people think that the way it is right? in order to, i mean we see the ports, i mean about the settling gaza is more minority. you will have, you will have about 20 percent. that believing in it used to handle what may support all these crazy ideas like building the, rebuilding the dump and about what do you need more than that?

yeah. you as maintenance does it, i will government who are planning to rebuild the done pretty well. doesn't mean that it will happen. does this government do think rarely believe israel can be secure without a political solution for the palestinians? apparently to use your pancreas as your view, try to ensure that we've done jo, is both rain before use. is that, that we have to make peace with the arab countries. why don't we succeed with the then we can go well to the police doing is and say to them who you, who you'll see a coordination of each one. and they moderate our boundaries. and now we demand that you would do a, b, and c in order to have peace with us. this is these dream. it would never happen, never happen. but this is, if you, i think that, that the idea of encircling a, the funny thing is with

a moderate arab countries to which have a piece which is way is a, here's the dream. all plan or whatever. i want to talk in a minute. it's about your own ideas for a resolution of this in some of a conflict. but let me go back to prediction that you made in january when you said that nothing you all who would lose the support of these western allies and the is right in the public. the allies may have got fed up with them, but they're terrified of withdrawing the support all day. and what criticism that has been is made pretty soft. or u. d. e is it? he gets about 50 percent of the public opinion. you can see all the a, the public opinion polls that this is, this is the ceiling. so he does not. he doesn't have them a job. he is, he has support is nobody's policies back on top of the survey. so isn't it? yeah, but that the numbers of how small i mean in, in,

in the bottom of the 120 doubt getting something like 22 seats. they do this is and, and, and they, it's a, the apologies all getting good 2018. so it is not that say he became very popular. hey, even this that resides mostly the success is a in dual. well what he is portraying is big successes. if you have a plan for a palestinian is riley confederation as a, as a stepping stone. i think you said to a 2 state solution um, before i ask you for the details, do you have any indication a tool that such a plan would be acceptable to any part of this is really government or indeed any palestinian administration. one day before we signed the old before we exposed it, most of the pro says that they there was a majority of or for 80 percent against any books. we did piano and one day after

that bill wasn't majority for the same happened with the the withdrawal form seat sy, night by you may not have begging even the one who signed the agreement in the 79. i. i'm not worried about it. i believe the people who would like to have a piece and leave follow this little sheet. i asked the question, because last month's jordan's prime minister revived the 2 state solution himself and said he was mandated by 57 arab and muslim states to offer a guarantee of security to israel in return for an agreement on an independent palestinian state. the offer wasn't gone, so that was threatened straight in the band wasn't it, which is not a helpful sign of coke, but then you always do to throw every m, we think things like that. but by the way, the full day a drop, a, a glance which was issued in the beginning of 2000 when he supposed to do it or go,

it is a 2 state solution, although it is your peak. and i don't think that the point is being is going to accept the but still it was, it, those dates, it looks in and then you also bought it. otherwise he rejected everything. what is the whole idea of the configuration? when we sign the agreement, the 90000 settlers in the west bank i don't count is 0. is that then cause this is something is to day is how familiar now most of them will be and next to is right. even if it, according to our plan, it is we, we link to a next to point 25 percent of the west bank, but most of the said little sleeve bill. so full damage would not be a problem because well, the 1st thing that we would become a citizen, so leave on the, on solving them country. and there will be a land swamp of the same amount of a, of a land and

a and did they call it the quality of the on the quality opening. but about 170000 settlers, we'd find themselves in the future as being estate. even in the past, we used to say, okay, usually the splunk democracy. if we decide to have a new ball deal, we would be able to evaluate all of these way. you settled as a, from the homes is to day becoming the most important and relevant of the current on the way of peace. because we know almost exactly it, what would be, will, would be the ball do. what would it be with your username? what would it be with the with the day they ordered city andrews island that refugees and you name me? yes. the band and can i just put to you the fact but so much of what you suggest seems to depends on trust and that really isn't very between the 2 sides off to

what's happened. you can't just sit down and manufacture it. can you the a palestinian survey from july showed that only 10 percent of these really jews and 6 percent of palestinians trust the other side, nearly enough for a big ticket. confederation is it, did we, uh, is drugs the joel daniel and sold the jeep since the, they trust the, the jewels move. yeah. but you want them to live right side by side in this confederation as they leave today. yeah. i'm not, i'm not very happily. i'm not very happy to look at the west bank look at the subtler violence against palestinians in the west bank. best of all, people who say any who is my main thought the in the google studies thing is joined us. a military experience, but additions and others, professors, in order to write the book, you reach the idea of leaving the side by side or remaining side by side

a is refill too. if you including the security aspects of elf, is that just a solution? it is, it is not simple, it is not easy, no solution is competing with it. no solution. anybody who comes to leave and says, i am spinning for the 2 state solution. i'm asking him o l. what are you going to do with the settlers? if you say they will have to, to go bit to is what i say. i don't know a bradman is the potential bradman is though it is way right or left. always going to do something like this. you must find a solution. you sure that your oklahoma, your former justice minister, the settlements are really go under international law and they would, if you have an agreement, it will be a legal agreement and it, we all overall order the ability to a situation. i mean, nobody's saying that because it is against the technician, i know we cannot have lead swaps, for example,

only bouts of the set. those is settlements. they'll know that dia will flynn swamps. and the idea that most of the set is we main will, the oh, was suggested by the, by the arab site. if you remember the day you, they came to the it to the full bill. it a many got ministration and, and the, the cloud that is not doesn't have to be the $67.00 boulders, but it can be a land swipe swap, which would take into account the number, the big number of both of these valleys on the west bank. if you ask me, no one is a should have lived in the west bank, no one step 3 men feel that be so they've been a beat, but i have to deal with the reality. any does such a reality? the idea is that once we know the number of the palestinians who it was,

the result of these ladies will be to remain in palestine. spellman, and a residence and use of alias citizens. this same number of police thing is old like get to this is way it's a residence bill and, and the residence we'd be allowed to do that. you'll see a button. and what if, what if this plant gets turned down? what, what i mean? it's already been done. i mean by whom the prime minister doesn't. yeah, was already said is his role is to prevent the formation of a palestinian this. i don't see the low jobs copays. yeah. and what is the next one? says the same thing. there is no plan b is that you have no plan be it's 2 state solution or not figures that it had many ideal plans that the, the 2 state solution is a result of the fact that the right rejected or the other plans. so this is

a plan which i believe is realistic. if nothing, well, we really have to do is do any of that too early and it is awful. but it is not that we all know that we are all funds. and if not, if there is no agreement, nothing will happen. no, even there is no agreement with the other side because the other side may also say the 2020 then is what that is where at least showed a withdrawal you and your level. otherwise we'd become it. joyce, minority domain. i think it, but it's still in the majority between the river and the sea, and this is the end of the zone. you split? yes, it barely good. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time. thanks for being on conflicts on. thank you. thank you. the

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