african con stocks, november 9th, on the business day that was in use africa coming up on the program. wagner in the central african republic. is it most schools model for africa? once a private and military company. now it is. russia's long um, in see in the russian house and the comfort telephone game is just the cultural center. it's head. demetrius city says yes, and rejects criticism. bouldin's gotten worse, not better after wagner came. oh, this is just the mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america. it's. josh is another 2nd of the

i. i'm eddie mike of junior. and you are welcome to the program. wagner in the central african republic, is it most close to model for africa? the wagner group is that russian blue tree company with significant impressions on the continent, a key to the process following policy. it was founded in 2014 by russian business mind if gave me precaution. after his death, wagner in africa came under the direct control of russia's ministry of defense and changed his name to the africa. cool. it provides security. unbelief tree supports, but also stands accused of propagating on t west and this information campaigns the groups many g activities. i've raised concerns about human rights abuses and destabilize ation in the region. russia is also extending itself into c, r, and runs that cultural center called russian house in bounty report. that is

a go to a child so many cents. an exclusive interview with the head of the center mall from the late top, expressed his report from bunkie. the new blue volume on our phones the gym will be the 19 year old. joseph pals piece advanced level certificate and said unto pick studies like many students in this northern country, he spellings wait on able to pay for him to attend the university of things. so he decided to go, he's one, we got an event as a child, i dreamed of being a polyglot, so it motivated me to learn russian. i'm always human real is learning the language in distortion, quarter, and center. see to it. it didn't hurt of the copy to thank d d, p c, d, he's the head of the russian house. he sees the demand for language classics and

cultural activities shows it is doing one thing. bringing russia and the central african republic closer together. right now we are more focused on the children's lace and the children's rights very much representing the russian and justice and russian schools for local students that can go awesome for studies in russia. and right now, as a russian for the city of africa is developed and rep in the russia is giving much more protests for african students to study in, in the restaurant. not always going to use a gift rooster alpha. the know me is one of the teachers in the ocean language center. how far the east central african. i'm home, all the russian. a lot of them leave in benji question was boned. she has a diploma in accounting and management from a college here and then he she never went through

a full mouth to job training process. but how mode i taught her russian, why does she was growing up? and she decided to do the same to what a central africans let alone go to the russian language as an asset. and also has very significant advantages for the central african population in terms of vocabulary and language language, teaching russian language and the central african republic. as an added value, some or some critics say multiple states teach, the russian language here and this nonprofit comfortable me. this was so much things that was already is funded language here. do you agree? so no, this has no colonial or political connotations to the central african republic as a country like any other. so it welcomes the russian language as well no longer and it is longed for by the population. manuel is one of $500.00 students learning the language he, he's clear why? because he wants to move towards. yeah. and that's why i've chosen the rest of the

language to have the opportunity to apply for a scholarship to do my higher education and medical studies in russia. because at the moment there's a serious health problem in my country. we don't have enough doctors. me, i'd like to help my country by studying and russia to facilitate development, is that you don't want people fussing to. and so you caught a glimpse of him involved reports, dimitris, city, a key play. i environments offer corporations since he has long been involved in wagner. group activities and see how fast translating media and communications and now of the russian house in bunky, in december of 2020, to see if he was seriously injured in a mill bump. i talk, he needs i retired to bounty and is that langston of russia's operations in africa . he also has a controlling interest in a mining company that wagner has been sanctioned by the e u in the us for human rights abuses. and since he has also on that international functions list full on this, we've invited to experts on a voc in

a been africa from that kind set of goals on joined by beverly or seeing with the center for strategic and international studies. hello beverly, also from a boot job in nigeria, i'm joined by philip body and award winning independence general less than a contribution to the daily beast news website. hello, phillip, hello. all of you. welcome to the program. stay with me. as we go through this in the central african republic, wagner has secured, lo, creative mind, and concessions gaining access to valuable resources like gold and diamonds report is a go to china. i questioned him about that's, that's the goal isn't just been putting sees. oh, she doesn't have a colonial quest and therefore is better equipped to work with african countries. but the one who the cops is here, but it involves extracting minerals here in molly and so done on elsewhere where

you are active. what's the difference? uh next to semantics is entity visits, extraction resources, a flavor of what so colonial power. that's no, that's not the case. and i think that this once again, that's a tool of less than providing that to buy and trust as a van de, uh, lost with these are all engaged in certain found this and based on nothing but to it, but full are sent to the application of the western standard and so in the russian focus, russian posted as president put and said used to help and to it's the approach this free with this concept of the nation. and because it's through it, as russia had never had a colonial past. and that's where

a approach is different. we are acting as the populace more than, uh, the, the bosses that impose, they will. so, and, uh, we of the, to give her a choice to african countries. uh so we give them a choice to make the, to choose the part that they wish we adjust the competition for the rest and the rest. so it is frustrating by this but the commission is good, isn't that right? beverly, let me come to you. you had and i called into a city roster. i was just competing on a level playing field is that writes, in your opinion, as i mean, the 2nd song which is russian was able to get into the central african republic, allowed it to have some level of dominance. so they came in in 2017 when the c r

had requested the us to create a console. so go to being able to access not just what that is, but also facilitate the training of its military to fight against rebels at this point. because both of their problems, which hasn't been dominant callback principle, no power, and they, you wouldn't have not quite done enough because the southern rebel button is, was training and elected to government. russia came in and was able to not just dominate the security sector but also into the extractive stacks of which despite that being clear, mining codes have not been very well managed by the point. so in terms of level, thank you. and i think it depends on where the boxes are, what kind of messages being bumper gigs, and how to be able to continue retaining. she gets foothold in the region and dos quite a robust in a way that i think western powers have undermine what they will, permitting the web security council, the security department. and you know, we have a lot of that. the c, i became a sort of an experiment on what

a russian diplomacy across the region would come to look like. now. 70 as me. right . right. and phillip city says extraction is trade and russia is helping the people of see, you've been to these mines. what did you see? well, i am a very good communicate all of the, but it was doing games of knowledge about this and how much as far as i can say when get promotions, and the way the company has been to the product, they have been that 0 with so much didn't change, and the one to 10 points by all means a lot of them, instead of, you know, the, the main commands and making sure no one else was that

there's glasses, these goals, including my mazda calls to my social studies. so you mentioned some games and then so the been able to show some gas on this is for the government. thank you. yeah. which was shaky before the rush. i was looking bought some twins aren't out for the more my name. my name is, i don't think there's anything injured or what so. right. so demetrius sits, he was a protege off. you have gave me pre goes all right. who founded wagner in 2014, to support the pro ration forces in ukraine, lead to expanding to syria and other parts of africa. this by facing international functions for goals and continued to be a key vag, enough vega until his death in a plane crash in 2023. stay with us guys. the bought that to go to church. i asked

the city about precautions possible just to get us a, a year ago, your from a bus is going to precaution was killed in a pin crush. shortly after the wagner group staged over a 1000000 in russia. how did you feel when you heard about his death? well, uh, and i felt frustrated. it was the case with us from it. and it's only for me for, for lots of people. so, and it was a huge loss for pricing for african policy in general. and to if i said as i was looking at republic as well, again, it was a big friend of central africa. she made a lot for this country. and it's, so of course it goes to straight, it's how close where you do you have different doors. you have you worked for him before in the central african republic. i wasn't the lead. uh,

what we started working with are you will some directly uh that's when uh, i started working this with him, derek as well. uh. she was uh, steering me in this uh and advising me in this difficult affair and the risk o risk affair. um, but uh thanks to hear the rise and good steering of a success between this project, it's likely that the plan was shut down on the old us of the russian president vladimir, put in. what do you make of those allegations? i make nothing. i have no information this, so i'd rather not come to any conclusions as i looked on information. right beverly, you had him since you clearly see for goes in as a false for good in see or how that his death change must close dealings with the country. so in one way,

many russia would have great control over some of their activities on the part of military's and the country. not some of them is the on the interesting, the across the saw houses where they also deployed other similar forces. and for a long time, it's about as if they had been a bit of a capital between the defense ministry and the activities of the bottom in the range of the fact that they've seen wife latonya watts. and that precaution was presenting the political and military challenge between the president, automatic present and went back to mutiny. hop sometime in july, just as corporate goals. and that's, that's when it became quite evident that causes influence what i'm not sitting too well with the credit. if they don't get and so when to go out of the way, it enable the russian defense industry as well, especially to have a bit more control over the phone. get to the change of the kind of industries

phillips. let me get your take on this bid to goes into involvement and see out improve things for the people of the country. you've already touched on the mind and aspects of things. gary, nothing good has come off of that. but overall you seems to suggest that security wise, those some sort of positive i'm i right? that's correct. so if you look at the body to the other streets that tell you that the know so long piece is sort of the don't get before the bushes kill him, but i don't understand what you're saying. so because i did the restaurants got involved in the country to start getting all the budget was on the not somebody you only we saw some riddles and munitions, someone's house, almost full control over. so the have, you know, some level of interest of the company. what the theme of

these people would tell you the experiences when it comes to how they rush and subscribe to. firstly, they come to mind in communities. so there's different kind of opinions in the us or the emission to us expression way remains for that right right now. um several organizations say russia is spread in this information in parts of africa and c, r to distract from the control of a local resources. probably linked to the mind and you just talked about as it go to ask city if his job involved anything else and to respond to accusations that there was a front for something else. that's a well, that's the problem of less than propaganda. they take a tiny piece of information,

they ex triple 8 it and the by and people as the babies. this is based on the cell information and from the internet. and to actually the last that i am right now, i'm the investor of the russian, like an informal investor for russian polis in this country. and that's my responsibility. my main job is analytics and to cultural activities. so this center i should bring or restaurant and the central african republic, closer together via a cultural means. why have the center within your studies, but spend the time? i still do my job in the ridges of this country for present, or there is any age or in the dark, some of the some of our groups because i've got an experience during my workshop before can agreement or if you're there see and room and i still have that

experience this experience to allow. i'm still like some time ago i was in congo in talking with the people that kind of convinced them to disarm it goes also. i think it was in the success a successful mission that helped his arm or she would sure of uh, onto valeca in the city. and uh, i did like this step by step. uh, i hope i'm having this come through this country and bring my face to the citizens . philips sits, he points to his mediation work, says he hopes he is bringing peace to the citizens of c a. r. what do you me to go back as well that i'm sorry, what are the ones who do the letters that go to who was the national storage of this a little for the notions beginning, bought the company,

the groups love justin but also in gold and log in you haven't seen much is all, you know, i mean all new substance abuse and right i would students situation way eventually . busy direction but i really do have some some of the groups which the website to see how. busy these i'm groups come together just for me and the country for the window and able to get into the confession for the assist fire on what to do was to, you know, i don't know when some of this goes just to be on the back and the example is all about a lot of g as update which is acting in the country right now. this room it sure. yesterday i will wait to. busy some of the or the i'm the type of street when

your function of the for the country. so yeah. yeah. ministers, useful piece only has one done very well. hasn't been successful. okay. yeah, no, i didn't think it was the country. right. so it seems that bethany, that, you know, negotiations on not going as well as since he would want people to think. he also said this and i quotes that he is the informal, i'm boss of that old russian policy to see are in a presidential negotiator, would it onto by that guy n c r and come go. what does that tell us about his role as i think i just told you just high how high all the rest of influence is. and the fact that this is not an official press and work in the kremlin. for instance,

even though there's always been back into the wind line between the bottom line of credit, which is a person who is running as the outset on the cultural center. but it also able to have it, but they have the level of political suite. although the government is negotiating with one of the terms and conditions, how you come to an agreement, which is the possible if you think about what the government's job is supposed to be. the influence that on the behalf of not just by whom, but even dependent. he seems to have concerns about some diplomats or pointed out about the culture or russian influence board. the fact that the c and has sort of become a bigger cartoons to the president and the back include. right. so wagner has been accused of serious human rights abuses across africa by human rights organizations in western governments. in the central african republic. they have been accused of burning down villages and killing civilians to take control of mine. and as,

let's get back to the views interview with demetrius city with the go to task several organizations, including the united nations on human rights organizations. i see violence here and this central african republic has got worse. not better after the coming light start. do you think, are you worried about that? um, oh, this is just a mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america, but she doesn't have that kind of, of beverly cities. sounds determined and dismissive, wagner has obviously called out the nice and c are at the very top. i see you also see that suggest that area. how secure is the opposition though? i mean, i've been a french about the meetings, back to the security,

particularly the capital and saw small towns in the country in 2020. they have this big campaign against military and remo groups. so what's the threatening toward the 2nd time they and the success about operation is part of what game does not just the public presidents within the c r, but also in the house. but at the moment, this report of some level groups, the encroaching within the capital that had been some disagreement between groups that decided to side with about it will be by joining the training and the final and initiative. and then main groups. they've been scholarship property in the eastern part of the country where this one i'm listening to the bean bag, which has been involved in the scholarship started. so there needs ministry, bosses escalate that because they are also part of me being a part of me by the by having good mixed mixed bag at the moment, philip. but just to be clear, this was a long interview. we've only been able to play brief accepts of it,

but to say to you, repeat that mistress, that you know he's doing the bidding of precedent to a dera. so mom is top like in this to quote, states capture. is that a valid accusation? you think or i think so how to do that. it seems like i have gone to. so this is in the country. i had visited some of these miles. so i know what's going on there. and i spoke to somebody else do. and what we are doing, that's what the government doing, collaboration with the these, they all are doing what they want to do. the decision was this is the shows of the, you know, most, your daughter and what should happen. but i didn't finish up reading the minds of the and because the mice didn't either, one of those shall exist. and that's why this conference is still going to. and

that's why it seems like about 6 years in the money. you know, it seems like there's really a term, but in terms of stability in the piece, that's because no one is the best one to listen to the emissions they love, you know, sitting down hill and women for other people to disclose the problems of the especially in love with the 1st. so that's why i'm guessing sister culture because they only do what did you say the way? right, so it's a little, it's a lot of the problems and issues press assessed and solution oriented. and this is what we should be aiming at a, wildly this or international community should be aiming. that's beverly like seeing with a sense of full, strategic and international studies in the car and award winning independence general list and the contribution out to the database to for the full body for my

boucher i. nigeria. thank you guys for sharing your time with us to thank you so much and thank you for watching. that's it for now i'll be sure to check out the stories on dw dot com slash africa, or visit our social media platforms. i am eddie michael junior, the

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